Re: Again with the portfolio.

[Guest guest]

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

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[Guest guest]

I am a new RD too. less then 2 yrs since exam.

However practicing nutrition much longer (yes, some institutes don't require RD,

still do).

Here is the big deal and this is why I am " afraid " if the PDP will stay as a

tool for re-certification:

Aside from the extra paper work that we are required (no other clinicians are,

and I have enough during business hours)- why do we need to have CDR

" permission " to attend any nutrition seminar we want. Yes, we can update the PDP

any time of the day 7 days a week - but is that how you want to spend your time

) I completed already more then 1/2 CEUs. Submitted my PDP 3 months after exam (

and wrote the first version of the petition a month later). I follow the rules,

as long as they exist. I don't want to lose my credentials just because someone

in CDR decides a class I took is not " sufficient " for the PDP, even though I

took 75 nutrition CEUs. Here - read for attachment, since I have been to this

discussion many time, too many. This attachment list that all - make your

decision. Do you need " mommy and daddy in CDR approve every interest you have or

nor?

PS. I know of RDs who just submitted their PDP a year earlier, just because

they were afraid that CDR won't approve some credits so they will have time to

complete more CEUs. This is unfair because instead of having a 5 yr cycle -

they have 4, and re-certification starts earlier. IT creates a lot of stress and

boredom on RDs. This is not necessary, not for re-certification.

I know other RDs who took more then 75 credits " just in case " CDR won't approve

all. Why do we have to be reduced to this level? Why do we need to spend more

money (for CEUs) then we should (is that because our salaries are so high?????

LOL)

Please - read the attachment - let me know if you have more questions.

Re: Again with the portfolio.

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

> .

>

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> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great

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[Guest guest]

I have also been in nutrition for many years, but never where it was

inappropriate just because the facility didn't 'require' it...if you are

experienced and had knowledge of the discipline and its organization, why did

you bother becoming an RD? Why not complain less and go do something else?

My conclusion is that you have entirely too much time on your hands. Go get

busy and HELP someone rather that whine....it might make you feel better..

Merav Levi- wrote:

I am a new RD too. less then 2 yrs since exam.

However practicing nutrition much longer (yes, some institutes don't require RD,

still do).

Here is the big deal and this is why I am " afraid " if the PDP will stay as a

tool for re-certification:

Aside from the extra paper work that we are required (no other clinicians are,

and I have enough during business hours)- why do we need to have CDR

" permission " to attend any nutrition seminar we want. Yes, we can update the PDP

any time of the day 7 days a week - but is that how you want to spend your time

) I completed already more then 1/2 CEUs. Submitted my PDP 3 months after exam (

and wrote the first version of the petition a month later). I follow the rules,

as long as they exist. I don't want to lose my credentials just because someone

in CDR decides a class I took is not " sufficient " for the PDP, even though I

took 75 nutrition CEUs. Here - read for attachment, since I have been to this

discussion many time, too many. This attachment list that all - make your

decision. Do you need " mommy and daddy in CDR approve every interest you have or

nor?

PS. I know of RDs who just submitted their PDP a year earlier, just because they

were afraid that CDR won't approve some credits so they will have time to

complete more CEUs. This is unfair because instead of having a 5 yr cycle - they

have 4, and re-certification starts earlier. IT creates a lot of stress and

boredom on RDs. This is not necessary, not for re-certification.

I know other RDs who took more then 75 credits " just in case " CDR won't approve

all. Why do we have to be reduced to this level? Why do we need to spend more

money (for CEUs) then we should (is that because our salaries are so high?????

LOL)

Please - read the attachment - let me know if you have more questions.

Re: Again with the portfolio.

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

> .

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your notes -

For some reason I can't add my comments next to yours

Here are mine:

1. This is news to me that CDR those not need to approve the CEUs we take. To my

best knowledge (and please correct me) we can take ANY CEU AS LONG AS IT applies

with our goals/codes and learning plan. If not - no matter how much

time/money/energy you spent on it - it wouldn't be counted for towards your PDP

and re-certification is jeopardized. If I am wrong here - then this is good

news.

2. Yes,, all other clinicians are required for CEU (I don't have any problem

with CDR monitoring that we all maintain current and updated) but NO other

clinicians are required to have goals/codes/learning plan or any other bias (in

my opinion) to maintain their credentials. A RN can take ANY CU, MDs take

whichever CMEs they are interested in ect. Why do we need to have extra hassle?

3. Also - if we go to a seminar that is not pre-approved by ADA, the credits

will NOT be accounted for. In every seminar I am taking I check how many CEUs

the seminar will give me and if it was approved by ADA, Otherwise - I don't

take the risk. I don't have extra money to spend on credits that might not get

me forward.

4. For RDs/DTRS who wait for last minute - I believe PDP will not change that

(although It helped you to be more organized, and that's great) but again - is

that a good enough reason to use PDP as a tool for re-certification? That's what

I am fussing about. PDP could be great for may of us in many aspects, only I

strongly disagree that it be used for re-certification. Today I am totally not

interested in Geriatrics (though it is a growing population and is needed) but

if tomorrow I decide to take a seminar in that area - JUST one seminar cough

my attention, or I choose to take it just because I have a growing population in

the hospital and I want to update my knowledge (isn't that what ADA/CDR strive

for?) yet, its not changing my mind about making it a career goal - so I need to

do one of the two:

A. Update my goal/code - even though it is a one time deal

B. Skip the seminar because I won't be accredited towards my PDP ( again,

because I cannot afford to take seminars that are not accounted towards my

PDP....because I am " cheep " . After all, with our salaries, Bill Gates is scared

I'll still his title and the richest man in the USA....LOL)

I know many RDs that choose general codes/goals (not me) so they are not

limited. Is that what CDR wish for? I don't think so. The PDP losses its purpose

for these RDs. So those who want to better themselves will do it with or without

the PDP, and those who benefited from it - even better - but again - why does

it need to be a tool for re-certification.? Just because someone becomes more

focused about their career, it doesn't mean they practice better nutrition, it

doesn't mean they know how to apply the new knowledge they acquired.

as for not enough CEUs to take in your area of living ect - well - that's a

problem if you live outside central areas, but thanks to telecommunications and

internet (The World is Flat, by Tom Friedman. Highly recommended) you can get

anything (or almost) online or by teleconference, and good-old self-studies are

always available.

Not being reimbursed for the CEUs - well - the world is not a fair place. But

we still have to keep current.

Re: Again with the portfolio.

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

> .

>

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> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great

rates starting at 1¢/min.

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[Guest guest]

Maybe because I am not a " yes " person. Not just because someone in Chicago

needs to keep his/her job. Maybe because I am not a " mainstream " . and maybe

because I believe in the people right to speak up (those of you who know me

better by now know I am not one who keeps her mouth shut, but if you don't like

it - the delete button is right on your left hand side - as I was once

suggested) and maybe because I don't like to get approval for every little step

I am taking in my professional (and personal) life I don't like to be babied,

and CDR/ADA are be-little-ing us, at list in my opinion (which no one has to

agree, but over 2800 RTDS/DTRs seem to) And Why do you offer me to skip my

practice? - just because I don't think like you it means I should get out of a

practice I like?

A. I didn't know about the PDP till the internship and

B. I still wanted to be an RD

and C. I was also working as non-RD not because it was inappropriate, but " just

because the facility didn't ask for it " .

As for me feeling better - don't worry about my feelings.

Re: Again with the portfolio.

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

> .

>

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[Guest guest]

Ok, I read what you say, and respect all your opinions, Merav, which I've

always found very valid and well t hought out. You have a reason why you do

everything, and state your opinions unequivocally, as I do, and we have

mutual respect for each other. (To add your comments to mine you have to

" reply " first, then you can go down with cursor and type yours where you

want them, but it may be your email program or system does not have that

setup. I use Outlook). So, here are my comments in caps again for the same

reason.

Digna Cassens, MHA, RD

http://groups.msn.com/RDForum

Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are

doing the impossible. St. Francis Assis

Re: Again with the portfolio.

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

> .

>

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rates starting at 1¢/min.

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[Guest guest]

Ladies!! I think it's time to bicker privately, please. It's getting

downright low. Jan, please don't be so rude to someone you disagree with

just because you disagree with them. There is a lot to be said for the art

of debating, negotiating, and disagreeing in a civilized and curteous

manner. Otherwise it speaks poorly of the person.

Merav - deep breathing, please. Hate mail is not worth responding to. And,

having had some very interesting off-line discussions with you, I know

you're above all of this, as well as a very smart RD and very good person.

You're passionate and sincere, both good attributes. I also admire your

independent spirit, and ability not to return rudeness with rude responses.

Now, please, if anybody else has anything rude or hateful to throw out at

someone, please don't embarass yourself, and the rest of us, and do it

privately.

Digna

Re: Again with the portfolio.

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

> .

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Digna.

Well said.

Re: Again with the portfolio.

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

> .

>

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> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great

rates starting at 1¢/min.

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[Guest guest]

I have an Alzheimers patient in my LTCF who use to roll about stating (or

proclaiming), " Please be civil and cordial. "

Words to take to heart. I use them @ home now, too.

Digna's correct.

a Pozniak

--------- Re: Again with the portfolio.

Ok, it's good to see the enthusiasm of the 'new' RDs. I don't want to

stir up the discussion but I finished my portfolio a year in advance,

logged to the website, got the activities approved in about six weeks.

I suggest that you keep those portfolios in a safe, accessible place.

Massachusetts has licensure (which I strongly support).

And lucky me, I have been chosen for a random audit and have to submit

proof of activities (30 hours) in the two year period 3/04 to 3/06

which doesn't coincide with my registration. It is a learning

experience about bureaucracy that I could have done without.

I'm an 'old' (longtime) dietitian. Now if winning the lottery were a

better shot!! Sigh. Raphaela Rozanski, MS, RD, LDN

> OK then.

> First step - unsubscribe to community list.

> Then - if they fail to listen and react to members fall-out, we

un-renew our memberships. How is that for a plan. Again, a group

action is always a strongest impact then individuals. We can circulate

an e-mail hear and on RD Forum see how many wants to unsubscribe and

if it is 100 or more- we pick up a date (2-3 days window) to all these

100 to actually unsubscribe. IN hopes of 95% cooperation - I thing we

can send our message.

> How did you unsubscribe? Through the list? was it posted? (I wish,

right?)

>

> .

>

> ---------------------------------

> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great

rates starting at 1¢/min.

>

>