Re: Future for Art Therapists in Schools with NYS Licensure?

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This brings up the question as to whether ALL creative arts therapies will be licensed in the schools? The State has been very vague about the ramifications of our licenses- schools, Medicaire, Medicaid, Managed Care? Does anyone have a pipe line and know about these things? Janet Sullivan LCAT

Future for Art Therapists in Schools with NYS Licensure?

Since Art Therapy will be finally licensed in New York, and I'mwondering about the future possibilities of art therapists being hiredto work in a school district?I wonder if Occupational Therapy has had a similar path into theschools? Since nearly all school districts have OT on staff and it isa licensed NYS profession, I wonder if art therapy will becomesomething that more schools offer?Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Have you heard anything aboutthis possiblity in the future? I completed an internship as an art therapist in an elementary schooland is was such a valuable service, I am hopeful of the future of arttherapy in schools. It would certainly open up more career possiblities for art therapists.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

I wish that I had more information on Medicaid, Medicare, etc, in

relation to art therapy.

I'm eager to hear if anyone on the board does....

thanks

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> This brings up the question as to whether ALL creative arts

therapies will be licensed in the schools? The State has been very

vague about the ramifications of our licenses- schools, Medicaire,

Medicaid, Managed Care? Does anyone have a pipe line and know about

these things? Janet Sullivan LCAT

> Future for Art Therapists in Schools with NYS

Licensure?

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> Since Art Therapy will be finally licensed in New York, and I'm

> wondering about the future possibilities of art therapists being hired

> to work in a school district?

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> I wonder if Occupational Therapy has had a similar path into the

> schools? Since nearly all school districts have OT on staff and it is

> a licensed NYS profession, I wonder if art therapy will become

> something that more schools offer?

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> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Have you heard anything about

> this possiblity in the future?

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> I completed an internship as an art therapist in an elementary school

> and is was such a valuable service, I am hopeful of the future of art

> therapy in schools.

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> It would certainly open up more career possiblities for art

therapists.

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[Guest guest]

I've heard that the Bedford NY school sysytem has a Creative Arts Director who has hired an art therapist as a consultant in the school. I think the Directors name is Wheelhouse. She appears to be someone who believes strongly in the creative art therapies within the school system. You might try contacting her through the Bedford School system

Since Art Therapy will be finally licensed in New York, and I'mwondering about the future possibilities of art therapists being hiredto work in a school district?I wonder if Occupational Therapy has had a similar path into the

schools? Since nearly all school districts have OT on staff and it isa licensed NYS profession, I wonder if art therapy will becomesomething that more schools offer?Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Have you heard anything about

this possiblity in the future? I completed an internship as an art therapist in an elementary schooland is was such a valuable service, I am hopeful of the future of arttherapy in schools. It would certainly open up more career possiblities for art therapists.

-- Mia de Bethune

[Guest guest]

I have contacted Bedford schools, they do have music therapy in schools. Additionally there are 3 schools in the Syracuse area who have music therapists as consultants. I have contacted them and they said that they had a positive, pre-existing relationship with the school and became a contractor. The parents were the strong advocates and played a very large part in making this happen. When one of the music tx's left that district, they would refer another colleague. Music therapy did go on the IEP's. What seems to be the situation in all cases is that there is an administrator (special ed. focused usually) who supports the creative arts. This seems like a great topic for the CNY LCAT group that is forming and will have their first meeting in the fall. The music therapists who are or were consultants have shown an interest. I myself have presented for teachers and they jumped at a chance for art therapy

since their students are desperate for help. The issue is of course funding. One of the areas that is funded through schools is afterschool programs. I see this as a start and a way for CAT to become visible and then become mainstreamed. If you are a L-CAT and would like to be part of the CNY L-CAT network please contact me directly at arthealsyou@... Keep the faith Meredith Snow, MS, ATR, L-CATMia de Bethune wrote: I've heard that the

Bedford NY school sysytem has a Creative Arts Director who has hired an art therapist as a consultant in the school. I think the Directors name is Wheelhouse. She appears to be someone who believes strongly in the creative art therapies within the school system. You might try contacting her through the Bedford School system On 8/21/06, sageartsrochester <sageartsrochester> wrote: Since Art Therapy will be finally licensed in New York, and I'mwondering about the future possibilities of art therapists being hiredto work in a school district?I wonder if Occupational Therapy has had a similar path

into the schools? Since nearly all school districts have OT on staff and it isa licensed NYS profession, I wonder if art therapy will becomesomething that more schools offer?Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Have you heard anything about this possiblity in the future? I completed an internship as an art therapist in an elementary schooland is was such a valuable service, I am hopeful of the future of arttherapy in schools. It would certainly open up more career possiblities for art therapists. -- Mia de Bethune Meredith Snow, ATR, L-CAT

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[Guest guest]

I have been reading the e-mails about art therapy in the schools, from my experience the schools that have it view the art therapist as an art teacher. For me I worked in private schools, but have not had the pleasure of hooking up with the public school systems. One agency that I have come across is CIS Counseling Center, Inc. This agency is hooked up with two public schools in lower east side of manhattan. They have fee for service positions were they hire art therapist who actually have a case load and like OT's pull the child out of class for a half hour art therapy session. I am unsure if it is on their IEP's but do know that some of the cases pay the agency through insurance. How they developed this relationship with the school again I do not know.

I do not know if this information is helpful or not but if a committee is formed to pursue this new challenge I would love to be invovled. Please feel free to contact me at any time.

Dana Wedin

danagdls@...

[Guest guest]

Dear Meredith: Thanks so much for the info. I am a NY City LCAT music therapist and appreciate your input. I agree that this would be a very good discussion topic. Yours, Janet Sullivan

Re: Future for Art Therapists in Schools with NYS Licensure?

I have contacted Bedford schools, they do have music therapy in schools. Additionally there are 3 schools in the Syracuse area who have music therapists as consultants. I have contacted them and they said that they had a positive, pre-existing relationship with the school and became a contractor. The parents were the strong advocates and played a very large part in making this happen. When one of the music tx's left that district, they would refer another colleague. Music therapy did go on the IEP's. What seems to be the situation in all cases is that there is an administrator (special ed. focused usually) who supports the creative arts. This seems like a great topic for the CNY LCAT group that is forming and will have their first meeting in the fall. The music therapists who are or were consultants have shown an interest. I myself have presented for teachers and they jumped at a chance for art therapy since their students are desperate for help. The issue is of course funding. One of the areas that is funded through schools is afterschool programs. I see this as a start and a way for CAT to become visible and then become mainstreamed. If you are a L-CAT and would like to be part of the CNY L-CAT network please contact me directly at arthealsyou@...Keep the faithMeredith Snow, MS, ATR, L-CATMia de Bethune wrote:

I've heard that the Bedford NY school sysytem has a Creative Arts Director who has hired an art therapist as a consultant in the school. I think the Directors name is Wheelhouse. She appears to be someone who believes strongly in the creative art therapies within the school system. You might try contacting her through the Bedford School system

On 8/21/06, sageartsrochester <sageartsrochester> wrote:

Since Art Therapy will be finally licensed in New York, and I'mwondering about the future possibilities of art therapists being hiredto work in a school district?I wonder if Occupational Therapy has had a similar path into the schools? Since nearly all school districts have OT on staff and it isa licensed NYS profession, I wonder if art therapy will becomesomething that more schools offer?Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Have you heard anything about this possiblity in the future? I completed an internship as an art therapist in an elementary schooland is was such a valuable service, I am hopeful of the future of arttherapy in schools. It would certainly open up more career possiblities for art therapists. -- Mia de Bethune

Meredith Snow, ATR, L-CAT

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[Guest guest]

I too have been reading theses e-mails. I  am an art therapist working in the NYC schools. I am not recognized as such (iI am an art teacher and social worker), so my work is watered down, and on my own have been doing a lot sf work around institutionalizing a program. I have a Pilot Project sitting at the District Superintendent's desk. My biggest hurdle is funding. I have been working closely with NJ as they have an art therapy program tin the school system. I am also in contact with Connecticut,  as politically a Tri State inittiative could carry more weight. The NYC Pilot works borrows from the basic  ideas of NJs' program and Florida's (Janet Bush). Mari PizanisMFA, LMSW, LCAT, ATR-BC I have been reading the e-mails about art therapy in the schools, from my experience the schools that have it view the art therapist as an art teacher. For me I worked in private schools, but have not had the pleasure of hooking up with the public school systems. One agency that I have come across is CIS Counseling Center, Inc. This agency is hooked up with two public schools in lower east side of manhattan. They have fee for service positions were they hire art therapist who actually have a case load and like OT's pull the child out of class for a half hour art therapy session. I am unsure if it is on their IEP's but do know that some of the cases pay the agency through insurance. How they developed this relationship with the school again I do not know. I do not know if this information is helpful or not but if a committee is formed to pursue this new challenge I would love to be invovled. Please feel free to contact me at any time.   Dana Wedin danagdls@... H. Mari Pizanishpizanis@...

[Guest guest]

,

Shall I stop sending the ones about art therapies in the schools? I am

thinking that you want more about the alternative track licensure issue,

is that correct? Anyway, I am saving all of the schools stuff, as it

directly effects my future and you will be able to refer others to me. I

think this letter is really encouraging regarding tri-state, but

discouraging regarding schools/funds and and the thinking of

institutions. Are they ever progressive?

Thanks for your work,

tte

At 09:00 PM 8/23/2006, you wrote:

I too have been reading theses

e-mails. I am an art therapist working in the NYC schools. I am not

recognized as such (iI am an art teacher and social worker), so my work

is watered down, and on my own have been doing a lot sf work around

institutionalizing a program. I have a Pilot Project sitting at the

District Superintendent's desk. My biggest hurdle is funding. I have been

working closely with NJ as they have an art therapy program tin the

school system. I am also in contact with Connecticut, as

politically a Tri State inittiative could carry more weight. The NYC

Pilot works borrows from the basic ideas of NJs' program and

Florida's (Janet Bush).

Mari Pizanis

MFA, LMSW, LCAT, ATR-BC

On Aug 23, 2006, at 4:05 PM,

Danagdls@... wrote:

I have been reading

the e-mails about art therapy in the schools, from my experience the

schools that have it view the art therapist as an art teacher. For me I

worked in private schools, but have not had the pleasure of hooking up

with the public school systems. One agency that I have come across is CIS

Counseling Center, Inc. This agency is hooked up with two public schools

in lower east side of manhattan. They have fee for service positions were

they hire art therapist who actually have a case load and like OT's pull

the child out of class for a half hour art therapy session. I am unsure

if it is on their IEP's but do know that some of the cases pay the agency

through insurance. How they developed this relationship with the school

again I do not know.

I do not know if this information is helpful or not but if a committee is

formed to pursue this new challenge I would love to be invovled. Please

feel free to contact me at any time.

Dana Wedin

danagdls@...

H. Mari Pizanis

hpizanis@...

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

How careless of me...I hit the wrong button, and I apologize. I had been

forwarding some of these messages to a friend in New Orleans, but I

realized that I'd gotten a bit off topic for her interest.

She and I are both RDTs (Registered Drama Therapists) and she is a past

president of NADT (National Association of Drama Therapy). Recently, as

you know, the LCAT has become available but only in NY state, but many

people from other states have applied or are watching this law very

closely. Many of us have concerns about future licensing because, to our

understanding, those Creative Arts Therapists who've come to the

profession through well-established by national boards, yet alternative

training as rigorously described by their individual national

organizations (See NCCATA for links to national boards:

http://www.nccata.org/contact_us.htm or for drama therapy see:

http://www.nadt.org/alternativetraining.html ). The concern now is that,

after the grandfathering period ends, those who are recognized by the

National Organizations, but have taken these alternate routes, will no

longer be able to receive an LCAT. We see this as disastrous and

are trying to find out if there is a way to change it.

I am curious about you and your work. I see you are in Albany. and

I are just now starting to look at this, so I have pawed through past

NYCCAT yahoo posts to find what I can, but perhaps, my careless error can

be used to open up a dialogue here to see if others not only share the

concerns but have perhaps made some inroads to change this.

Thanks for your response and I look forward to others.

Sincerely,

tte L. Zaiser M.Ed, RDT, LCAT

At 11:58 AM 8/24/2006, you wrote:

tte ­ Could you tell me a little

about the “alternative track licensure issues”? Thanks,

--

G.

Senior Associate

Carr Public Affairs

388 Broadway

Albany, New York 12207

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(fx)

evans@...

On 8/24/06 10:34 AM, " tte Zaiser "

wrote:

,

Shall I stop sending the ones about art therapies in the schools? I

am thinking that you want more about the alternative track licensure

issue, is that correct? Anyway, I am saving all of the schools stuff, as

it directly effects my future and you will be able to refer others to me.

I think this letter is really encouraging regarding tri-state, but

discouraging regarding schools/funds and and the thinking of

institutions. Are they ever progressive?

Thanks for your work,

tte

At 09:00 PM 8/23/2006, you wrote:

I too have been reading theses e-mails. I am an art therapist

working in the NYC schools. I am not recognized as such (iI am an art

teacher and social worker), so my work is watered down, and on my own

have been doing a lot sf work around institutionalizing a program. I have

a Pilot Project sitting at the District Superintendent's desk. My biggest

hurdle is funding. I have been working closely with NJ as they have an

art therapy program tin the school system. I am also in contact with

Connecticut, as politically a Tri State inittiative could carry

more weight. The NYC Pilot works borrows from the basic ideas of

NJs' program and Florida's (Janet Bush).

Mari Pizanis

MFA, LMSW, LCAT, ATR-BC

I have been reading the e-mails about art therapy in the schools,

from my experience the schools that have it view the art therapist as an

art teacher. For me I worked in private schools, but have not had the

pleasure of hooking up with the public school systems. One agency that I

have come across is CIS Counseling Center, Inc. This agency is hooked up

with two public schools in lower east side of manhattan. They have fee

for service positions were they hire art therapist who actually have a

case load and like OT's pull the child out of class for a half hour art

therapy session. I am unsure if it is on their IEP's but do know that

some of the cases pay the agency through insurance. How they developed

this relationship with the school again I do not know.

I do not know if this information is helpful or not but if a

committee is formed to pursue this new challenge I would love to be

invovled. Please feel free to contact me at any time.

Dana Wedin

danagdls@...

H. Mari Pizanis

hpizanis@...