Re: KT & Immunosuppressant Medication

[Guest guest]

>I was wondering if anyone has information...or thoughts... on drinking

>(ingesting inparticular) while using immunosuppressant medication.

>It's been suggested that this the KT could compromise the

>immunosuppressant medication.

>

>Thanks - Randie

I doubt it. Sometimes people overthink. Because KT is said to strengthen

the immune system, then someone might think it would overcome the

immunosuppressant medication. I think if anything, KT would help the

person taking that type of med not to get sick, by fending off bugs that

the person's own immune system would not be able to attack, because of

being suppressed.

There are a couple of warnings about KT and pharmaceuticals. One is that

if the med cannot be combined with vinegar-containing foods or drinks (such

as some antibiotics), that's a problem. The other is that some people feel

KT might sweep pharmaceuticals out of the body, recognizing them as toxins,

and the solution to that is to take the medication separately from any KT

intake, at least an hour or more separating. I take thyroid medication and

maintain a separation.

I am not a doctor and I would not want to be responsible for this decision,

but I am offering what we've discussed on this list previously. If the drug

is being taken in preparation for an organ transplant, or following one,

that's a whole other set of issues I think. I think what you need to do is

get some input from a medical person who is also a KT fan, and we have an

RN on this list who might be able to give you some info. Maybe she'll

write on- or offlist.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

>I was wondering if anyone has information...or thoughts... on drinking

>(ingesting inparticular) while using immunosuppressant medication.

>It's been suggested that this the KT could compromise the

>immunosuppressant medication.

>

>Thanks - Randie

I doubt it. Sometimes people overthink. Because KT is said to strengthen

the immune system, then someone might think it would overcome the

immunosuppressant medication. I think if anything, KT would help the

person taking that type of med not to get sick, by fending off bugs that

the person's own immune system would not be able to attack, because of

being suppressed.

There are a couple of warnings about KT and pharmaceuticals. One is that

if the med cannot be combined with vinegar-containing foods or drinks (such

as some antibiotics), that's a problem. The other is that some people feel

KT might sweep pharmaceuticals out of the body, recognizing them as toxins,

and the solution to that is to take the medication separately from any KT

intake, at least an hour or more separating. I take thyroid medication and

maintain a separation.

I am not a doctor and I would not want to be responsible for this decision,

but I am offering what we've discussed on this list previously. If the drug

is being taken in preparation for an organ transplant, or following one,

that's a whole other set of issues I think. I think what you need to do is

get some input from a medical person who is also a KT fan, and we have an

RN on this list who might be able to give you some info. Maybe she'll

write on- or offlist.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

>I was wondering if anyone has information...or thoughts... on drinking

>(ingesting inparticular) while using immunosuppressant medication.

>It's been suggested that this the KT could compromise the

>immunosuppressant medication.

>

>Thanks - Randie

I doubt it. Sometimes people overthink. Because KT is said to strengthen

the immune system, then someone might think it would overcome the

immunosuppressant medication. I think if anything, KT would help the

person taking that type of med not to get sick, by fending off bugs that

the person's own immune system would not be able to attack, because of

being suppressed.

There are a couple of warnings about KT and pharmaceuticals. One is that

if the med cannot be combined with vinegar-containing foods or drinks (such

as some antibiotics), that's a problem. The other is that some people feel

KT might sweep pharmaceuticals out of the body, recognizing them as toxins,

and the solution to that is to take the medication separately from any KT

intake, at least an hour or more separating. I take thyroid medication and

maintain a separation.

I am not a doctor and I would not want to be responsible for this decision,

but I am offering what we've discussed on this list previously. If the drug

is being taken in preparation for an organ transplant, or following one,

that's a whole other set of issues I think. I think what you need to do is

get some input from a medical person who is also a KT fan, and we have an

RN on this list who might be able to give you some info. Maybe she'll

write on- or offlist.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Okay...hopefully I'll get this in the right place!

Hi,

As far as immunosuppresion goes, it would be my guess that the

biggest issue would be just how immunosuppressed a person is. I don't

believe that kombucha itself would have much activity against a

medication unless the absorption of the medication is affected by

acidity in some fashion. It is, however, possible for a severely

compromised person to be colonized by organisms that are non-

pathogenic to most; some of the most benign organisms can overgrow

and cause problems or actual disease when they are not held in check

by a healthy immune system. I don't have the info in front of me, but

I have heard of an instance where an already ill and

immunocompromised individual was infected with a normally benign,

probiotic yeast (which migrated into the blood, causing sepsis, or

septic shock). This is one of a few examples; of course there are

many, many more people who feel a diet rich in probiotics and

cultured foods is healthful and consume them freely with no problems

(my family and I belong to that group, although none of us have

immunity problems, thank God). If you are taking a suppressive

medication (such as after a transplant, etc) I would check with your

doc; generally I would think that if you have not been advised to

stay away from things like yogurt, etc, then other probiotics would

probably be okay. If you have other immunity issues, definitely do

your research and ask your doc. I am not trying to offer medical

advice, but am happy to try to explain things to the best of my

abilities! Hope this helps!

[Guest guest]

>

> Okay...hopefully I'll get this in the right place!

Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this. My friend is on

Immunosuppressant Medication because of a sever case of psoriasis

(about 95% of her body). I don't agree with her physicians suggested

course of treatment but, my friend is going along. Other's have

advised her not to drink kt. I've suggested she discuss it with her

physician. Perhaps she can speak with her with a little more

information.

Thx - Randie

[Guest guest]

I know we have other folks on this list with psoriasis, perhaps they have

some input to give on this question?

>Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this. My friend is on

>Immunosuppressant Medication because of a sever case of psoriasis

>(about 95% of her body). I don't agree with her physicians suggested

>course of treatment but, my friend is going along. Other's have

>advised her not to drink kt. I've suggested she discuss it with her

>physician. Perhaps she can speak with her with a little more

>information.

>

>Thx - Randie

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Another thought...once again, I'm not dispensing medical advice, but

something of interest to think about...there's some evidence that a

number of autoimmune and hypersensitivity reactions may be related to

our environments...

Recent studies show that kids growing up in extremely clean houses are

less healthy than kids growing up in " messier " homes (if you could see

my house you'd know why I think my kids must be the healthiest kids in

the world!); and there has been some investigational treatment of

people with severe allergies (which is an over-reaction of the immune

system) by exposing them to certain parasites or parasite eggs (creepy

but true!). The idea, in simple terms,is that if the immune system

has something to work on, it won't turn on its host! In that line of

reasoning, then kombucha tea might be great for someone with

psoriasis, etc! Pure idle speculation only...continue to check with

your choice of health providers and due diligence, and all that!

[Guest guest]

> Recent studies show that kids growing up in extremely clean houses are

> less healthy than kids growing up in " messier " homes (if you could see

> my house you'd know why I think my kids must be the healthiest kids in

> the world!); and there has been some investigational treatment of

Phew. I knew there was some reason I couldn't keep this place cleaned

up. I am providing a better environment for the kids. My youngest

has taken to pouring drinks on the floor and licking them up like the

dog. I have too many kids for this to shock me, but try to stop him

when I catch him. I have found him next to the dog, both drinking

from the floor. I am hoping this passes soon, but maybe it is the

best thing for his system, bleck. Oh well, have a good one

3jsmom31 Dawn

[Guest guest]

>

> In that line of reasoning, then kombucha tea might be great for

> someone with psoriasis, etc! Pure idle speculation only...

Oh, I agree. I have had some major bouts of psoriasis in the past.

But, since I've been drinking kt I just don't have it anymore. And, I

have some customers with psoriasis and other dermal conditions who

have found great relief using my Kombucha soaps.

Randie

[Guest guest]

--- " In original_kombucha , " HunnyBuns Nursery "

wrote:

>

> That's what I'm wondering. I make soap too. "

We make goat milk soaps also! I do have lots of customers who

appreciate the benefits of natural soaps!

[Guest guest]

I love goatsmilk in soap too. One of my best sellers. Nice to meet another

soaper :-)

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Re: KT & Immunosuppressant Medication

--- " In original_kombucha , " HunnyBuns Nursery "

wrote:

>

> That's what I'm wondering. I make soap too. "

We make goat milk soaps also! I do have lots of customers who

appreciate the benefits of natural soaps!