Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Recently I had the unusual opportunity of doing 1 rep maxes with an amazingly truncated warmup. I usually do three warmup sets of 5, 3, 1 reps. (this came down from about 5 sets in the past, 5 years ago). I like to feel the physical warmth that usually sets in after the first set but gets me mentally focused by the third. In this particular instance, however, all I got was the second warmup of 3 reps. I was very surprised to get the lift with such little warmup too. This has led me to ponder whether our rituals in our warmup planning serve us as we progress or if we actually need LESS warmup over the years, in order to conserve our efforts for true maximum efforts? I've always thought I was doing a lot less warmup than my peers, but could this now constitute " too much " for me? I would like to hear comments by the other PL and OL on this list regarding any experiences they've had. This was shall we say an " unplanned " hurry on my part but the result has made me wonder if with only a short IPF style warmup, I am now warming up " too much " ? Is this in some way a step on the way to the " virtual warmups " said to be performed by some lifters, in particular the famous OL'er who was injured and seen to actually sweat sitting in his chair, " warming up " ? Also generally speaking, I've noticed that most master PL i'm around actually need " more " warmup and other preparation prior to a workout or competition. Some even appear to jog about or ride exercise bikes? Any comments? I can't say I'm ready to do the same 3 rep warmup again tomorrow, I think it does not help my mental preparation, but as I did not suffer injury or loss of lift from it, I don't think I'd hesitate to go out and do the same if required! But I have to ask, how much warmup is TRULY necessary even cold from the street! I have found my first warmup set creeping up in weights over the years performed with no preamble as well... The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 One thing I've found helpful when selecting appropriate warm-up protocol is circadian rhythm. Wingate et al (1985) published some great research on this stuff. Basically, our CNS is warmer in the late afternonn vs the morning. In light of this, in the AM, I recommend a longer warm-up to create more arousal. In the evening, when the CNS is in a more aroused state naturally, less of a warm-up is necessary. During this time, flexibility is also naturally increased. One added note, the cited research also showed that afternoon performance can be much higher vs the morning and that one should train at the same time of day he or she is expected to compete as to better prepare the body. I hope this has been of some value to your question. Cowell Raleigh, NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Naturally one would prefer to do your competitions fully awake, but meet directors have this interesting tendency to schedule them to start in the early morning. Something about completing the competition before midnight perhaps? So you're saying early in the day, do more warmup sets? Should competitions be adjusted to permit athletes to lift in the afternoon - all weight, age and gender classes? This brings up the question then of if the competition is at 9 am, and you have been training at 5 pm, do you need to train earlier in the day, to prevent a sort of " muscle timing lag " ? I've also known competing PL to work out at 5 am due to job constraints, would they then have the same issues OR would they already be conditioned to a warmup and performance where they would feel " normal " or even thrown off a bit by lifting at 9 or 10 am? or have a similar problem with lifting at say, 4 pm? (I've had one competition where I didn't even start lifting until well into the evening and completed the meet at 11:30 pm.) Timing too is an issue with warmups, as I noted originally, my warmups did get considerably timed to the IPF tendency of " 15 minutes of clothing change, warmup and you're on with the next event " . Anything more than 3 sets and you were NOT ready and on with your opener anyway. I time the interval between my working sets tightly too, as to mimic the true conditions. If I don't have it in the gym, I certainly won't have it on the platform! Warmups also seem to vary with weight class, and with making weight class. How much energy you have to devote if you've been making your weight class in a reasonable but restricted fashion... For the bench, it's been a matter for me of 2 raw sets of 5 reps, 2 reps, and then putting the shirt on, and doing 1 with the shirt. That's it. Presumably if you're doing a full meet, you're still warm from the squat and would be doing " too much warmup " again. But I've done some experimenting with just the single event and found that cold from the street, the same warmup will suffice! The opener looks a bit rough but it's like my " last warmup " . The job of a warmup is to make sure you have your opener and if not, make sure you adjust it. This is a good point though, and when you take into consideration travel, the likelihood of less rest before a meet when you're very excited at your chances, and all the rest of the picture, warmups can be quite challenging to get " just right " . The energy you waste at the start may well affect your chances of winning at the end. The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA ======================= -------------- Original message -------------- One thing I've found helpful when selecting appropriate warm-up protocol is circadian rhythm. Wingate et al (1985) published some great research on this stuff. Basically, our CNS is warmer in the late afternonn vs the morning. In light of this, in the AM, I recommend a longer warm-up to create more arousal. In the evening, when the CNS is in a more aroused state naturally, less of a warm-up is necessary. During this time, flexibility is also naturally increased. One added note, the cited research also showed that afternoon performance can be much higher vs the morning and that one should train at the same time of day he or she is expected to compete as to better prepare the body. I hope this has been of some value to your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Hi , In more recent years of powerlifting, I have been taking very abbreviated warmups at the meets I've competed at. For squat, 3 sets of 2 with last warmup using belt plus wraps at 75-90 percent of opener. For bench, 2 sets x 2 (or alternative, 1 set x 2, 2 sets x 1), at 80-90 percent of opener. For DL, 3 sets x 1 at 80-90 percent of opener (last warmup with belt tightened). I can't remember where I read about someone relating the story of watching Dr. Judd Biasiotto come out and lift with practically no warmup. I've also read a bit of Pavel's stuff. I decided I didn't want to leave my best in the warmup room--save it for the platform. This warmup strategy has served me pretty well, equipped or raw; I feel fresh for the platform. The fewer warmups for the deadlift work well after the extra volume done for squats and bench. There isn't much research out there to provide evidence one way or the other because there are so many confounding variables, not the least of which is the athlete's belief in what he/she needs for proper preparation. But some of the work with volleyball players doing some heavy squats within 20 minutes before playing to improve jumping seems relevant. So try a shorter, heavier warmup and see how it works for you! Merrick, M.A. NSCA CPT/CSCS, ACSM HFI, NASM CPT Bellevue, NE > > Recently I had the unusual opportunity of doing 1 rep maxes with an amazingly truncated warmup. I usually do three warmup sets of 5, 3, 1 reps. (this came down from about 5 sets in the past, 5 years ago). I like to feel the physical warmth that usually sets in after the first set but gets me mentally focused by the third. In this particular instance, however, all I got was the second warmup of 3 reps. > > I was very surprised to get the lift with such little warmup too. This has led me to ponder whether our rituals in our warmup planning serve us as we progress or if we actually need LESS warmup over the years, in order to conserve our efforts for true maximum efforts? I've always thought I was doing a lot less warmup than my peers, but could this now constitute " too much " for me? > > I would like to hear comments by the other PL and OL on this list regarding any experiences they've had. This was shall we say an " unplanned " hurry on my part but the result has made me wonder if with only a short IPF style warmup, I am now warming up " too much " ? > Is this in some way a step on the way to the " virtual warmups " said to be performed by some lifters, in particular the famous OL'er who was injured and seen to actually sweat sitting in his chair, " warming up " ? > > Also generally speaking, I've noticed that most master PL i'm around actually need " more " warmup and other preparation prior to a workout or competition. Some even appear to jog about or ride exercise bikes? Any comments? > > I can't say I'm ready to do the same 3 rep warmup again tomorrow, I think it does not help my mental preparation, but as I did not suffer injury or loss of lift from it, I don't think I'd hesitate to go out and do the same if required! > > But I have to ask, how much warmup is TRULY necessary even cold from the street! I have found my first warmup set creeping up in weights over the years performed with no preamble as well... > > The Phantom > aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter > Denver, Colorado, USA> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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