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By all means. The grapefruit information was great. I'm sure many people were

never aware. Even doctors until recently. What surprised me was the amount it

took to affect medicines. As little as 8oz. Thanks for posting the websites!

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abijann <no_reply > wrote: I

hope you don't mind that I considered this important about the

grapefruit. There is so much about drug interactions that it

scares me somewhat. Patients should always read the inserts

that come with their medication completely, but many never even

look at it until it is too late. Working in a pharmacy made

me especially cautious, mostly with the elderly, to point out

to them anything I think they should know but not take time to

read. Just like everything else, unless someone has the complete

listing of all interactions a drug has on their computer system,

even a pharmacy may not catch them all. Medication errors cause

many hospitalization and deaths each year...

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I for one am very glad that you posted it. I mean ,just imagine me taking a pill

for pain, and then all of a sudden I'm stoned out of

my allready ammonia soaked gourd ! I'm not so sure that sounds appealing. I've

been watching a tv program called

intervention on A & E and its soooo scary. I am starting to get a real feeling how

substance abuse makes everybody in the

situation sick. All I can do is pray that I dont become addicted to pain meds

and at least right now I'm erring on the side of

caution. And going to AA on a regular basis.

Mac

I hope you don't mind that I considered this important about the

grapefruit. There is so much about drug interactions that it

scares me somewhat. Patients should always read the inserts

that come with their medication completely, but many never even

look at it until it is too late. Working in a pharmacy made

me especially cautious, mostly with the elderly, to point out

to them anything I think they should know but not take time to

read. Just like everything else, unless someone has the complete

listing of all interactions a drug has on their computer system,

even a pharmacy may not catch them all. Medication errors cause

many hospitalization and deaths each year...

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Well, I wouldn't be me if I didn't look it up. Most of what I read was about it

preventing lung cancer. But this site mentions the liver in part.

http://www.acetylcysteine.org/oltipraz.htm

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: No, I

had never heard of that...Here is one for you that

you may or may not know of. This drug, when they first

posted about it was suppose to be able to " reverse " cirrhosis.

Now I see they believe it will prevent liver cancer.

It is called, " Oltipraz " ....try that one in your search engine.

I never heard of anyone ever using it and it may still be in

the trial range, I'm not sure.

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My daughter is doing great and is ready for Kindergarten. She's a chatty cathy

though. And if I get promoted I'll be so excited everyone will know. :-)

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abijann <no_reply > wrote: You

are a corker....I had to look twice at what you posted and

then laugh. When you get your promotion, please let us know.

I hope your daughter is doing well; I bet she is your complete

inspiration now.

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That's a wonderful idea!!

abijann <no_reply > wrote: You

just got to take pictures of her as she goes for her first

day of school. Another thing that is nice to do that people

may not think of, is when she comes home, to tape record her

as she tells you all about it. Years from now, it will make

you cry to hear her little voice telling you that in her own

words. I have my nephew recording of singing the song: Elvira and

it make me laugh every time and I can still see him that age

even though he is through college now. They grow up so fast, it

is like we blink an eye.

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Here's one. Go to wikipedia (below) and on the left in the search block put in

your birthday (without the year) like this. 14 December

See what happened on your birthday throughout history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contents

abijann <no_reply > wrote:

Don't, if you can, forget to take pictures of yourself with her to

give her when she is growed up. There is one more thing...

Some people do this on the date of birth...save the whole

newspaper for that day. Then she will know exactly what happened

on that date. Getting her a pin with her first name on it that she

can wear will help others come to know her faster. Sometimes, if

the name is unusual, you can get them at a jewelry store and they

will engrave them there. These are just suggestions...maybe

others here have ideas also.

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One of my favorites! Keep in mind I'm a youngin',but I like the old

Price version the best.

We have come a long way in medicine (not politics). I always wonder what it will

be like for my daughter when she's my age. What new things will be out there,

and how ancient our way of life must have been...

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: That

is great about using stem cells for regeneration.

I sometimes wonder what people would think who lived back

in the 40's or so....all this would seem like a horror

movie to them. Taking one person's body parts and giving

them to another and using people cells to grow other in

dishes.....I think some of the old movies do reflect that

come to think of it.

Did you ever see that old movie, " The Fly " ?

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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I was actually thinking of the mother.

P.S. I did not post my last post three times. Yahoo is acting crazy today!

MaC

>

> I know that a newborn can have jaundice and there are a number of

> reasons for this to occur. One of them is because the liver isn't

> developed enough yet to handle all the bilirubin. Another one

> is because of the RH factor. Another reason is that too much

> bilirubin is being made.

>

> I have never heard, as yet, that the natural birthing process

> could damage a liver. If it did, in my own opinion, it would

> be a Baby who came out feet first or a baby who is definitely

> breach and wasn't turn properly before birth.

> I sometimes wonder about the iron supplements they give pregnant

> women and the baby formula they use fortified with iron.

> If someone is undiagnosed as having hemochromatosis, which is

> genetic...you would think this would cause a real danger to them

> since the body doesn't eliminate iron that well.

>

> I will have to look more into how the liver is developed in a

> child and see how far along, in its final process, the liver is.

> I know the brain isn't completely developed at birth and it takes

> some time for the bones to fuse together on the skull.

>

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Ok! Ok!

I posted them in my folder. I had to touch up the one of me holding a fishing

pole. It had become damaged with age.

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: Okay,

I want to see your baby picture.

I'm wearing glasses, but you can't see, by the photo, that they

are there.

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I was still a baby then! I don't think I caught any fish. I didn't have any

patience to sit and wait. If I remember right, I left the pole and went climbing

hills.

I'll have to dig around for an actual " baby " picture.

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: Looks

like you were born in December, am I guessing right?

Nice photos, but I was expecting a Baby picture...not a

childhood picture. But, that is okay...did you catch any

fish that day?

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Thanks for the kudos. You probably could have posted the information much better

than myself. You seem to be a natural teacher when it comes to explaining

things. Sometimes, I don't know what to post. So I thought I would learn

something about cirrhosis or it's complications, find links about it, study a

bit and post on that subject. Then later move on to another subject.

I would really like to post information about what people have on their minds

here in the group. But there is only a small margin that post their thoughts. I

wish more would jump in. I'm sure there are many out there with tons of

questions.

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote:

Thanks for posting those sites on coagulation. I enjoyed them

very much. There is so much information on the web, that at

times it can be overwhelming.

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Not to mention depression. I'm sure many with cirrhosis suffer from that as

well.

Bouts of pancreatitis etc.

I noticed others who used to post quite regularly have dropped of as well. I

just hope all is well with them.

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: I've

tried to get people to talk here by asking questions, but

not many do answer. I was thinking that if more people who had

other diseases besides the cirrhosis would share them here, it

would help others so much. My husband has other things wrong

with him and I've tried to separate what the cirrhosis caused and

what his other problems have caused since this is a cirrhosis

group. But, when I think about it...there are others who have

other things besides cirrhosis and it would benefit them.

I do know that many transplant patients have diabetes after the

surgery. So, I can talk about that. I once thought my husband

had celiac disease and we tried to change his diet, but he did

not have that. When Bobby mentioned it, I knew what it was but

never got into a full research on it. Some people are lactose

intolerant, some develop IBD, some have fibromyalgia, some

have heart disease. Each one of those areas would be interesting

to study into and it's effect it takes on the cirrhosed patient.

I also would like to get more into the area of seeing what effect

cirrhosis has on the other organs besides just the kidneys and

spleen. Since the liver has so many functions and not all are

known, I may be surprised to learn how other organs help the

body to continue to function properly that I don't know about yet.

Well, I'm rambling on....The articles you posted were of benefit

to me cause my husbands platelets are going down...Thanks

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:-)

Now can you explain the transplant that way? Using the factory? I guess the sign

on the front would read " Under new management. "

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: You

are so witty...but you are right. LOL x's 2

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Here's another website that has Windows 98 help information.

http://support.microsoft.com/ph/1139

I've had some wonderful women doctors who were very compassionate.

And keep in mind that women doctors probably had to try much harder at

succeeding than there male counterparts. And that may be an advantage in the

knowledge area.

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: My

husband did update what he could...they no longer provide updates

for Windows 98...thanks for the suggestion, though.

Will be going for a second opinion this week on my surgery, they

stuck me with a woman doctor and I don't know how I feel about that...

never had one before. I grew up with men since my mother died very

young and I tend to trust men and their opinions alot more than

women, does that make sense? They seem to be alot more logical and

down to earth. Women tend to be like me, too emotional, and it gets

in the way many times. Stomp those emotions, stomp stomp stomp.

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I won't and I will. (Is that an oxymoron?)

And for what it's worth, you and Dennis have made a great impact in my life. And

I will never ever forget that. I'm just off to enjoy the summer.

Love

Kev

P.S. I couldn't find this kind of support at Walmart. :-)

abijann <no_reply > wrote: Don't

ever lose your sense of humor.

I enjoyed all your posts and coming to know you and your daughter.

I'm glad you came to the group. I do wish you would post when you

get your promotion, just to let us know. Drop in anytime.

Life keeps us so busy, we move on too fast and sometimes forget

the past.

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You must have your hands full. Just learning the dynamics of emergency care is

enormous. Sometimes I thought about pursuing EMT, but changed my mind.

How is your husband doing?

I've had some bad news of late. My friends brother has colon cancer that moved

to the liver. She says the doctors gave him weeks. He's 49. He's developed

ascites but other wise is doing well. So, I've offered my shoulder to lean on so

to speak. And gave some words of hope. She think he as days or weeks but I

pointed out that my wife had ascites for almost a year and how amazing the liver

can be. So hopefully, his liver will last a little longer.

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: Thank

you for the site...I really looked it over. I've been

spending some time in studying pathophysiology of emergency care, and

will probably be getting back to the liver soon. I always end up

back there with everything that is happening with my husband.

I really appreciate you coming back to post some. Was getting

mightly lonely here....I look so forward to seeing others posts on

here, must be an addiction...Glad you are doing well.

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Thank you for the vote of confidence. I wish I would have chose that path

earlier on in life.

I know you tell others to take care of themselves but don't forget about YOU!!

You're going through a lot. I would be equally upset, angry, etc as you are.

But I sense a fire that burns inside you. One that will never go out or give up.

I trust, no matter how frustrated you become, you will always keep those doc's

on their toes! As you should! The squeaky wheel gets the oil, right?

But don't forget, you have to find a way to unwind. Hot bath, at the end of the

day with a warm towel on the face with one of your favorite old songs from a

younger year? Writing. Writing always helps me. I wish I could write like

Dennis. To bad I didn't have him as a teacher when I was in school. I may have

become a better communicator. :-)

Trust...Don't let yourself fall into doubt. Trust yourself and your knowledge.

Raise the red flags when you need to. The key is, when you need to. You want

them to acknowledge you and not to disregard you as someone who is complaining.

Try not to falter. I have to admirer how knowledgeable you are with

pharmaceuticals. I would be totally lost.

If you would like me to research things let me know. Two heads are better than

one, so to speak.

Lastly,

Abijann,

I trust your faith will always guide you through and you know you are never

alone.

I will pray for you, but I know your strong. So I will also pray for those who

are weak around you. Especially the doctors.

MaC

abijann <no_reply > wrote: I

think with the knowledge you have, you could very well become

an First Responder or an EMT. Seeing the horrific things that

happen, though, takes alot out of a person. When you lose someone,

after you have tried so hard, is alot to deal with. Even though

you think you can deal with it, it can still haunt you.

They did take my husband off his anti rejections drug and placed

him on high dosages of prednisone. Now they want to put him on

a drug that is only approved for kidney transplant patients and

not the liver. I am worried, cause of his white cell count

dropping, the last time they had him on this one drug that is

now in combination with this other drug...it is a combined drug and

it really upsets me. You know, you have to sign papers in order

for them to experiment on you...but, when something goes wrong...

the doctors are free to experiment on you under the " disquise " of

trying to help you. I feel sick most of the time now and feel

like they are doing this cause they know I keep a very close eye

on him. I feel like telling them that if their heart is in

the right place and that they are doing this to help him and not

just for theirs and others advantage...then I would consider them

a blessing, but if they are doing this for their own advantage, then

the God above should have, anything that happens to him, happen to

them 10 fold. This sounds cruel of me, doesn't it? Right after he

was released from the transplant team, they took him off this

medication and placed him on a kidney perferred drug before and

his liver enzymes went through the roof...if this happens this

time, I am going to tell them that we want to see his liver

transplant surgeon to be referred to someone who won't use

him as a experimental lab rat. As you can tell, I'm scared out

of my wits about all this. The doctors know they can pretty much

do anything they want in the line of advancing science. I wish

I knew of someone, anyone that I could trust in this situation...

God please help us.

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