Re: Re: making a town and theme park

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>> > Some kind of more complicated

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>>>arrangement would have to be reached.

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>>How about everybody live in their own little virtual reality world

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> <grin>

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> I don't think there's an autistic utopia, basically.

I agree.

CZ

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> > Some kind of more complicated

> > arrangement would have to be reached.

> How about everybody live in their own little virtual reality world

<grin>

I don't think there's an autistic utopia, basically.

But the impromptu way I handled that hypersensitivity once went

something like this:

My friend was over, was *very* hyposensitive (she's normally

hyposensitive, but she had dipped into what we call " underload " ) and was

moving all over the place.

I was in that overloaded state where I couldn't take her movements at

all without getting dizzy and queasy and then making noise *she*

couldn't stand.

I ended up sticking my head under a pillow.

Not ideal, but good for an impromptu strategy to keep either of us from

driving the other nuts.

--

" Killing people with ignoring their humanness is a lowly righteous act. "

- Eastham

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fiestacranberry@... wrote:

> Doug wisely replied:

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>

>>Whether " don't like " = " hate " is perhaps for >more

>

> philosophically-minded folks to

>

>>decide, though I would say that since I

>>don't wish them any harm (and generally

>>am in favor of things like good education

>>that will make them worthwhile citizens),

>> " hate " is far too strong to describe my

>>feelings. Also, I interpret what

>>posted as saying that he avoids them

>>because they cause him pain physically

>>and perhaps in other ways. He's just

>>looking out for himself.

>

>

> My feelings exactly. I don't hate children, I hate being AROUND

> children. I would never hurt a child, because I wouldn't want to get

> close enough to one to be able to do it---LOL. I like 's

> " Disneyland " idea of separate lands. If you like kids and you want to

> be around them, fine---do it in " kid land " . I'll be over in " no-kid "

> land relaxing in the quiet :^)

>

> With my dog.

And I'll be in a no-dog no-kid land relaxing in the copious amounts of

(ok to my ears) noise of my (currently 43) birds. I have no idea why

most of the time my birds noises don't hurt my ears when much softer

noises of other types do. I figure it must be the type of noise not the

volume. Cockatiel shrieks do get to me whereas the much louder screeches

of the sun conure don't.

CZ

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fiestacranberry@... wrote:

>>I'm fed up with having ignorant people

>>assume I'm some kind of abuser or evil

>>because I don't want the same stuff that

>>they do. IMHO, if someone likes

>>something, by all means, they can go

>>have fun with it, but they need to quit

>>trying to cram it down everyone else's

>>throat.

>

>

> Exactly. It seems to me that a lot of people with kids get really

> indignant when confronted with the fact that some people just don't want

> to or even can't be around children. The old, " Well, _I_ like it, and

> _I'M_ gonna do it, so not only do you have to put up with it, but you'd

> better like it too. " Who needs that? Sheesh.

It depends on whether the expression of dislike of children is done in a

way that is derogatory or insulting to those who make the choice to have

children. I have not seen Nanne (to use one example of one person who

quite obviously gets very upset on this issue) say that childfree people

should have children even once. What I have seen is her get very upset

and react defensively to parents and children being insulted and

degraded verbally. I firmly believe that all this is a matter of HOW

things are said not WHAT is said. I am unable to cope with children and

do not like them and I have no wish to ever have any or live with anyone

who has any or have them in my face all the time but Nanne has never

reacted to me defensively the way she does to some other people with

similar attitudes to mine about children. I think the crucial point in

this is how I express my attitudes and views not that they are

fundamentally different from other people with aversion to children and

no wish to have any.

CZ

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Antryg Windrose danced around singing:

>I don't really have any friends. I have acquaintances at church but I

>would not class them as friends and none of them that I am aware of have

>anything other than free to air tv. The only friends I have are online

>and not in my state.

Imeant online friends, actually... I have one friend in real life --

everyone else is online.

> Also, I can't afford any way to play DVDs. They are

>a luxury that an increasing amount of other people have but that I will

>probably not have in the foreseeable future.

What kind of computer do you have? I have a DVD player for my tower that I

don't really use anymore because my laptop has one -- if it still works

(I'm not 100% sure of that!) and it is compatible with your system, I would

give it to you.

>I wouldn't be able to afford that. I've had to give up my ambulance

>insurance because my yearly budget couldn't make room for it. I'm on a

>restricted amount of phonecalls per day to keep within my means and my

>tv watching is limited to half an hour on weekdays with an extra hour on

>tuesdays, none on saturdays and one hour on sundays. This is the only

>way that I can afford to buy food and pay the mortgage and bills.

Gack, I forget that others are on restrictive budgets too. I usually wait

until (if) I get a special windfall -- it's been a few years since I've

managed to do that, though, because any extra money I manage to get my

hands on has to pay for things I've needed but put off. I'm hoping to get

a small job this summer, or more accurately I'm hoping I get it and I can

handle performing it. Otherwise, I really need to start trying to write

and sell articles...if I spent half the time writing articles that I do

writing email, with my knowledge at this point I might be able to actually

make a bit.

DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy

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Antryg Windrose danced around singing:

> > Some kind of more complicated

> > arrangement would have to be reached.

>

>How about everybody live in their own little virtual reality world

Heh. I think the discussion lists *are* our own virtual reality

world! It's enough for me...now if I could just get the annoying people

out of my *real* life, then I'd be all set!

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fiestacranberry@... wrote:

> My service dog, Neutron, is a Chihuahua. His hair is

> very soft, and doesn't bother me at all. I can put my face right into

> his fur. There are also hairless breeds.

I think I want a service rhinoceros. I think people would look at it and be

afraid to tell me I cannot come into a place. And pachyderms are naturally

hypo-allergenic

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>> Also, I can't afford any way to play DVDs. They are

>>a luxury that an increasing amount of other people have but that I will

>>probably not have in the foreseeable future.

>

>

> What kind of computer do you have? I have a DVD player for my tower that I

> don't really use anymore because my laptop has one -- if it still works

> (I'm not 100% sure of that!) and it is compatible with your system, I would

> give it to you.

My computer is a " bitsa " . The mainboard is an epox thing, cpu is 1.2ghz

tualatin, video card is a geforce 2 mx, soundcard is soundblaster live,

both hard drives are quantum fireballs. i have a sony 24x/10x/40x cd

burner and a generic 40x cdrom drive. that's about all the important

bits i think. most of the hardware i bought when i got my mortgage which

was about the only time i was ever going to have enough money. some of

it was given as presents from parents and the cpu and mainboard (which

used to be a PIII 700mhz coppermine and i cant remember what brand the

mainboard was) got grudgingly replaced by my mother when the machine

died fairly recently (probably from a feather overdose).

>>I wouldn't be able to afford that. I've had to give up my ambulance

>>insurance because my yearly budget couldn't make room for it. I'm on a

>>restricted amount of phonecalls per day to keep within my means and my

>>tv watching is limited to half an hour on weekdays with an extra hour on

>>tuesdays, none on saturdays and one hour on sundays. This is the only

>>way that I can afford to buy food and pay the mortgage and bills.

>

>

> Gack, I forget that others are on restrictive budgets too. I usually wait

> until (if) I get a special windfall -- it's been a few years since I've

> managed to do that, though, because any extra money I manage to get my

> hands on has to pay for things I've needed but put off. I'm hoping to get

> a small job this summer, or more accurately I'm hoping I get it and I can

> handle performing it. Otherwise, I really need to start trying to write

> and sell articles...if I spent half the time writing articles that I do

> writing email, with my knowledge at this point I might be able to actually

> make a bit.

I've been trying to get a job for about a year seriously and more than

that in a less intensive manner. I've been listed with the autism

association's employment agency but they have consistently proven

themselves to be useless lying fwads.

CZ

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fiestacranberry@... wrote:

>>Yes the same applies to people with dog

>>allergy except that my dog allergy can

>>easily kill me by stopping my breathing

>>rather than being an annoying skin

>>irritation like most of my allergies are.

>

>

>>Why should every avoid things which

>>might set off your allergies or upset you

>>but it's perfectly ok to do things that can

>>kill other people via allergies.

>

>

> Now wait a minute. First you say that being near a dog could kill you.

> Then you say that you voluntarilly go to a dog show every year??? This

> really doesn't make any sense at all.

Yes it does. The Royal Show is like a big fair and there are sheepdog

trials on a central arena but nowhere near the stadium style seating.

When I watch those dog trials I sit right up on the hill well over 100

metres away from the dogs.

>>I am sure there are plenty of autistics with

>>sensory problems who don't like gluten

>>free food and would enjoy eating at

>>restaurants that serve normal food.

>

>

> Hey, it's not prison. They'd be perfectly free to get on the bus and go

> ober to the next town and eat all the gluten they want.

I think the equal amounts sounds more fair.

>>If I made an objectionable noise to people

>>off the property (which I don't and I live

>>alone in a house on a 683m² property with

>>no soundproof room) then complaints

>>could be issued or the situation reviewed.

>

>

> OK, you're missing the point here. The purpose of the room was actually

> to be a quiet sanctuary to retreat to.

I understand that for others. I was referring to what I said about how I

have no need or like for such rooms. I would find such a place to be

frightening and claustrophobic because I rely on my ears more than my

eyes to sense danger.

CZ

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Iris M. Gray wrote:

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>

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>>I've been trying to get a job for about a year seriously and more than

>>that in a less intensive manner. I've been listed with the autism

>>association's employment agency but they have consistently proven

>>themselves to be useless lying fwads.

>

>

> I have a seasonal job but have been trying to find a year-round job. The

> government has hired a job placement agency to try to find jobs for people

> with disabilities. What worries about that is that if they offer me a job

> that I know I can't do -- ie, one that involves a lot of interaction with

> people such as in retail sales -- I will have my disability benefits cut

> if I refuse the job. If I accept the job, but get fired, I will lose my

> benefits completely for three months. It's a catch-22. I'm screwed either

> way. But if I refuse to join the program, I can have my benefits cut as

> well.

There are plenty such agencies here but I have found them less than useless.

CZ

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wrote:

>I can't stand bell peppers and celery -- to the point where I don't even

>consider them food -- but I can't imagine banning them for all people

>just because I didn't like them

Bell peppers were non-food (made me gag) all my life --

until I was 45. At that point, I suddenly discovered

that I could eat them. " Delayed development, " I guess.

Jane-the-delayed (but still developing)

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Iris M. Gray wrote:

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>

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>>Jane Meyerding danced around singing:

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>>>Bell peppers were non-food (made me gag) all my life --

>>>until I was 45. At that point, I suddenly discovered

>>>that I could eat them. " Delayed development, " I guess.

>>

>>I had a very similar experience with them just this year! Before now, they

>>were way too bitter and just generally revolted me unless they were buried

>>in some other food so I wouldn't notice them. Then one day I just had an

>>urge to eat a raw one that came with a deli sandwich I had bought at

>>school, and was surprised to find I really liked it, the taste didn't seem

>>bitter any more...

>

>

> When I was a kid I loathed mushrooms. Then I loathed mushrooms unless they

> were in chinese food. Then I loathed them unless they were in Chinese food

> or on pizza. Then I liked them fried with steak and onions... Now I like

> mushrooms regarless of how they're used. It seemed to be a gradual thing.

I loathed mushrooms but my father put them in a lot of his cooking. I

never minded fried fresh button mushrooms with bacon and eggs (on the

rare occasions that I got to eat stuff like that) but I hated those

canned butter mushrooms that he put in his stews and spaghetti sauce. I

would pick them all out and leave them and after threatening me for not

eating them he would put them all on a big spoon and tell me " just close

your eyes and pretend it's peaches " and physically force me to eat them.

The same went for any meal I did not finish. Years later when I

confronted him about this behaviour and told him I think it was a

significant contributor to the eating disorder I have battled since

teenagehood onwards he made up some excuse about how in his day there

were war rations and people ate what they were served. Of course the war

was over by the time he was 6 years old so that excuse fell flat.

These days, I still like fried mushrooms but sometimes the memory of

those nasty spoons of mushrooms coming at my face makes me nauseous and

unable to eat them once I've cooked them.

CZ