Re: Nonhealing Lower Leg Injury

[Guest guest]

" When the possible is exhausted that leaves the

impossible "

Dan Heffley

Las Vegas, NV

--- suprbrian wrote:

> My nutrition and sleep are excellent. I have no

> interest in

> naturopathy or any other type of alternative

> quackery.

>

> Gates

> Gig Harbor, WA

>

>

> >

> > ,

> >

> > How is your sleep? Nutrition? Have you

> considered seeing a

> > Naturopath to get your nutrition/diet evaluated?

> >

> > Be Well,

> > Mike Reid

> > Gothenborg, Sweden

[Guest guest]

What have you done that DOES work?

Cowell

Raleigh, NC

[Guest guest]

If anything had worked, I wouldn't be soliciting advice on the

internet...

Gates

Gig Harbor, WA

>

> What have you done that DOES work?

>

> Cowell

> Raleigh, NC

>

[Guest guest]

,

Supertraining is not a restricted site, therefore you

and anyone else is welcome to be a part of this forum.

However, your attitude is not conducive to solving

your problem or getting other members to want to help

you. You've made some wide sweeping assertions

concerning alternative medicine. Therefore, if you

could enlighten the rest of the members how you have

come to the conclusion that all alternative medicine

is not valid we would all appreciate it. Please

remember that you have made an ASSERTION so it is up

to YOU to validate your point using scientific

evidence. Finally, I'd be interested in the details of

your " excellent nutrition, " if you would be willing to

post your meal plan. In the meantime, good luck with

your solving your injury.

Dave Barry

Park, Michigan

Former AAU Mr. America

Former NABBA Mr. USA

ACSM and ACE certified personal trainer

--- suprbrian wrote:

> No. Just because conventional treatments have not

> been helpful does

> not mean that anything within the realm of

> alternative medicine is

> valid. Quite honestly, I'd rather sit in wheelchair

> for the rest of

> my life than put money into the pocket of a

> naturopath,

> chiropractor, CHEK practitioner, etc.

>

> Gates

> Gig Harbor, WA

>

>

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > How is your sleep? Nutrition? Have you

> > > considered seeing a

> > > > Naturopath to get your nutrition/diet

> evaluated?

> > > >

> > > > Be Well,

> > > > Mike Reid

> > > > Gothenborg, Sweden

[Guest guest]

,

Wow! I was really feeling bad for you. However, the attitude that you are

conveying makes me wonder if my sympathy was wrongly placed.

It seems like your pride is the real obstacle in your way. Either that or you

are trolling with an agenda.

I'd suck the slime off pond rocks if it would make the difference between

walking, running or being wheelchair bound.

Best regards,

Brett

Draper, UT

Gates wrote:

<<<No. Just because conventional treatments have not been helpful does not mean

that anything within the realm of alternative medicine is valid. Quite honestly,

I'd rather sit in wheelchair for the rest of my life than put money into the

pocket of a naturopath,

chiropractor, CHEK practitioner, etc.>>>

[Guest guest]

I deleted my posts criticizing alternative medicine because I don't

want to start an argument about that. Suffice to say that I do not

believe in alternative medicine and will not be consulting any

practitioners of such disciplines.

For the record, I didn't say that all alternative medicine is

invalid. I said that the failure of conventional treaments does not

validate alternative ones, as the Trudeau ad hock argument

goes.

Gates

Gig Harbor, WA

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > How is your sleep? Nutrition? Have you

> > > > considered seeing a

> > > > > Naturopath to get your nutrition/diet

> > evaluated?

> > > > >

> > > > > Be Well,

> > > > > Mike Reid

> > > > > Gothenborg, Sweden

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I am going to have to disagree somewhat. A

general physician typically is not going to be very

competent at diagnosing a neuromusculoskeletal

condition. I'm not talking about an orthopedist or

neurologist. I am talking about your basic family

doctor that sees a variety of general conditions all

day. There is a lot to know about the human body and

no one can know as much about everything as a

specialist can know about one area. My experience has

also been that if diagnosis and treatment has not been

successful, it is often the individual practitioner

and not the specialty that is lacking.

--- michael riggenbach

wrote:

> Gates wrote:

>

> " my faith in the medical establishment's capacity to

> help me with this issue is nearly exhausted. "

>

> This may ruffle some feathers, but you have not

> exhausted the medical

> establishment's capacity until you have seen a

> " doctor " . While PT's

> and DPM's are well-trained, they do not have as

> extensive of training

> as MD/DO's do. Have you tried an orthopaedic

> surgeon? Seeing them

> does not imply an operation, just focused expertise

> on your types of

> problems.

>

> Mike Riggenbach

> Dayton, Oh USA

Lowry, DC

Dr. Lowry, LLC

1220 Knox Abbott Drive

Suite D

Cayce, SC 29033

USA

[Guest guest]

Your defense is inadequate. The fact that chiropractors may offer

some uncontroversial therapies such as those you mentioned does not

redeem the profession when ultimately they're still telling people

that health problems are caused by spinal " subluxations " and

proliferating other pseudoscientific notions like applied

kinesiology. No amount of common sense modalities can negate the

fact that some of chiropractic's central beliefs (marketing points)

are nonsense.

Gates

Gig Harbor, WA

>

> > , I wouldn't call you a quack unless you were

> > willingly and

> > wittingly ripping people off, and I apologize for

> > using the term in

> > a previous message. However, I do consider

> > chiropractic to be an

> > unscientific discipline, and I am unmoved by your

> > insistance that

> > everything chiropractos do is supported by research.

> > That is

> > completely generic. Show me the practitioner who

> > doesn't say that.

> >

> > Anyway, the chiropractic debate has been done here

> > and everywhere

> > else, and I'm sorry that I propogated it at all. I

> > will offer you

> > this as my final comment on the matter: I cannot

> > claim to know for a

> > fact that chiropractic, naturopathy, or anything

> > else is invalid. I

> > will say simply that I am unconvinced of their

> > validity. Fair enough?

> >

> > Gates

> > Gig Harbor, WA

>

[Guest guest]

That's funny. My chiropractor, who has been a godsend for me, has

never spoken of subluxations. She has talked about disc herniation,

inflamed tendons and fascia, and injured muscles. She always

prescribes exercises (strength or stretching) in addition to her

manipulation therapy. She has never sent me for x-rays. She is a

fantastic manual diagnostician. She is very eclectic and catholic in

her approach, and always updating her knowledge and skills. Most

everyone I know who's gone to her has been extremely grateful for what

she has been able to do for them. But I guess you would never meet

someone like her, because of your dogmatic blindness and the fact that

she hangs the word " chiropractor " by her office.

My GP, on the other hand, while otherwise a smart and helpful guy, has

spectacularly misdiagnosed and exacerbated my back condition through

inappropriate, generic exercise prescription (while minimizing my

problem at the same time).

Good luck to you.

Corvin

Toronto, Ontario

> Your defense is inadequate. The fact that chiropractors may offer

> some uncontroversial therapies such as those you mentioned does not

> redeem the profession when ultimately they're still telling people

> that health problems are caused by spinal " subluxations " and

> proliferating other pseudoscientific notions like applied

> kinesiology. No amount of common sense modalities can negate the

> fact that some of chiropractic's central beliefs (marketing points)

> are nonsense.

>

> Gates

> Gig Harbor, WA

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > , I wouldn't call you a quack unless you were

> > > willingly and

> > > wittingly ripping people off, and I apologize for

> > > using the term in

> > > a previous message. However, I do consider

> > > chiropractic to be an

> > > unscientific discipline, and I am unmoved by your

> > > insistance that

> > > everything chiropractos do is supported by research.

> > > That is

> > > completely generic. Show me the practitioner who

> > > doesn't say that.

> > >

> > > Anyway, the chiropractic debate has been done here

> > > and everywhere

> > > else, and I'm sorry that I propogated it at all. I

> > > will offer you

> > > this as my final comment on the matter: I cannot

> > > claim to know for a

> > > fact that chiropractic, naturopathy, or anything

> > > else is invalid. I

> > > will say simply that I am unconvinced of their

> > > validity. Fair enough?

> > >

> > > Gates

> > > Gig Harbor, WA