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Get your nutrition in order first of all. That's the most important

issue. I recommend a book called the " Metabolic Typing Diet " by

Wolcott.Don't worry about cardio and get a circuit training

workout where you're getting 18-24 sets of exercise in roughly :45

minutes. Good luck.

Cowell

Raleigh, NC

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Hi !

Alternate your weight training days with your cardio days spending no

more than one hour on each. Take one day per week off and cut back to

30 minutes of cardio and weight training every fourth week.

Best wishes!

Dan Wathen, Youngstown (OH) State University, USA

In Supertraining , " ankn47 " wrote:

>

> Hey Everyone:

>

> I've been doing a system of training from a book called " Hot Point

> Fitness. " I'm 26, have been overweight most of my life, and am now

> trying to get in shape.

>

> The author of the book says the workouts should take only about 60-90

> minutes to get through. However, my experience has been that they

> take about 2 1/2 hours. That's roughly 2 hours of cardio (10-20 reps,

> 3 sets). All this followed by 30+ minutes of cardio. I have been

> doing this schedule 3 times a week since January.

>

> As February started, I have been getting exhausted during workouts,

> and am easily irritated. I am finding now (as the exercise difficulty

> increases) that I am less likely to complete a workout. And the

> euphoria I used to get from working out has almost completely

> disappeared. I did some research, looking for a reason why this might

> be happening, and found that:

>

> 1) I should only be doing about 1 hour of resistance and no more than

> 1 hour of cardio at a time.

> 2) That I should be pulling back in the 4th week of every 4 weeks of

> training.

>

> I'm worried about pulling back so much that I " fall off the wagon " of

> working-out, but of course I don't want to injure myself either.

>

> January consisted of 3-day a week workouts, doing approximately one

> work-out per muscle group and then 30 minutes of cardio.

>

> February's workouts started isolating groups and working 4 days a

> week. On one day I would do 3 exercises for my shoulders, 3 for back

> and the same for chest-- then abdominals and cardio. The next would

> be the same exhaustion work on legs-- plus abdominals and cardio.

>

> I guess I'm just asking to be pointed in the right direction.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> Eaton

> Hollywood, CA

>

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Hi.

I'm a regular guy who has lifted for many, many, years.

First off, clear your mind, take a deep breath, slow down. Picture in

your mind, what you would like to look like. Hold that thought, always and

believe in yourself. You'll get there.

Throw away this book. Find the type of cardio you enjoy the most. Start

out slowly, doing cardio six to seven days a week, in shorter sessions. Try

to do 20 minutes a day, eventually working up to, no more than 40 minutes a

day. This will take several months. Remember, nothing worth having comes

easy or fast.

Your cardio should start out your workout. For now, concentrate on multy

joint excersises. My basic movements are, Flat bench press, squat, and

deadlift. These three movements are the grand daddies of lifting moves.

Build in the extra movements that support these three excersises as time

allows.

As for abs, work them daily at the end of your workout.

Don't forget, rest is important so taylor your workout to how your body

feels. You need one holy day where you stay away from the gymn and go for a

walk.

Going to the gym is something that you should be excited about doing and

enjoy.

Don't forget to shy away from simple carbs like anything made with white

flour or sugar. Eat lots of lean protein and green vegetables.

I'm not anywhere near the expert in the finer discussions on this list

but, I believe if you make your journey more enjoyable and simple, you will

come out a winner.

This whole scenerio is my opinion.

Carson Wood

Westbrook Maine, USA.

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Time in Gym?

> Hey Everyone:

>

> I've been doing a system of training from a book called " Hot Point

> Fitness. " I'm 26, have been overweight most of my life, and am now

> trying to get in shape.

>

> The author of the book says the workouts should take only about 60-90

> minutes to get through. However, my experience has been that they

> take about 2 1/2 hours. That's roughly 2 hours of cardio (10-20 reps,

> 3 sets). All this followed by 30+ minutes of cardio. I have been

> doing this schedule 3 times a week since January.

>

> As February started, I have been getting exhausted during workouts,

> and am easily irritated. I am finding now (as the exercise difficulty

> increases) that I am less likely to complete a workout. And the

> euphoria I used to get from working out has almost completely

> disappeared. I did some research, looking for a reason why this might

> be happening, and found that:

>

> 1) I should only be doing about 1 hour of resistance and no more than

> 1 hour of cardio at a time.

> 2) That I should be pulling back in the 4th week of every 4 weeks of

> training.

>

> I'm worried about pulling back so much that I " fall off the wagon " of

> working-out, but of course I don't want to injure myself either.

>

> January consisted of 3-day a week workouts, doing approximately one

> work-out per muscle group and then 30 minutes of cardio.

>

> February's workouts started isolating groups and working 4 days a

> week. On one day I would do 3 exercises for my shoulders, 3 for back

> and the same for chest-- then abdominals and cardio. The next would

> be the same exhaustion work on legs-- plus abdominals and cardio.

>

> I guess I'm just asking to be pointed in the right direction.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> Eaton

> Hollywood, CA

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I want to thank everyone for their responses. And I wanted to

apologize for the typo in my earlier post. I don't do 2 1/2 hours of

cardio-- it's two hours of lifting/abdominal with 20-30 minutes of

cardio at the end (to clear out lactic acid, the book says).

: I will definitely check out that book. I admit that I've been

just eating normally as I do the work out-- although I indulge my

cravings for more protein. Thanks for the recommendation.

Dan: I liked your suggestion of doing a day of cardio, a day of

resistance. Thanks. I had been working on the advice that doing

cardio at the end of the resistance training helped to " flush " the

muscles of lactic acid and lessened soreness and stiffness. I'm going

to look into it a bit more and see if I can find more info.

Carson: I really enjoyed the first 4-week cycle of exercises, so I'm

still holding on to the book for a bit. It's been this second,

higher-intensity round of workouts that have posed difficulty (making

me wonder if I might need more of a time to work up to the " phase 2 " ).

Thanks again!

Eaton

Hollywood, CA

>

> Hi.

> I'm a regular guy who has lifted for many, many, years.

> First off, clear your mind, take a deep breath, slow down.

Picture in

> your mind, what you would like to look like. Hold that thought,

always and

> believe in yourself. You'll get there.

> Throw away this book. Find the type of cardio you enjoy the most.

Start

> out slowly, doing cardio six to seven days a week, in shorter

sessions. Try

> to do 20 minutes a day, eventually working up to, no more than 40

minutes a

> day. This will take several months. Remember, nothing worth having

comes

> easy or fast.

> Your cardio should start out your workout. For now, concentrate

on multy

> joint excersises. My basic movements are, Flat bench press, squat, and

> deadlift. These three movements are the grand daddies of lifting moves.

> Build in the extra movements that support these three excersises as

time

> allows.

> As for abs, work them daily at the end of your workout.

> Don't forget, rest is important so taylor your workout to how

your body

> feels. You need one holy day where you stay away from the gymn and

go for a

> walk.

> Going to the gym is something that you should be excited about

doing and

> enjoy.

> Don't forget to shy away from simple carbs like anything made

with white

> flour or sugar. Eat lots of lean protein and green vegetables.

> I'm not anywhere near the expert in the finer discussions on this

list

> but, I believe if you make your journey more enjoyable and simple,

you will

> come out a winner.

> This whole scenerio is my opinion.

>

> Carson Wood

> Westbrook Maine, USA.

>

> ---------

>

> Time in Gym?

>

>

> > Hey Everyone:

> >

> > I've been doing a system of training from a book called " Hot Point

> > Fitness. " I'm 26, have been overweight most of my life, and am now

> > trying to get in shape.

> >

> > The author of the book says the workouts should take only about 60-90

> > minutes to get through. However, my experience has been that they

> > take about 2 1/2 hours. That's roughly 2 hours of cardio (10-20 reps,

> > 3 sets). All this followed by 30+ minutes of cardio. I have been

> > doing this schedule 3 times a week since January.

> >

> > As February started, I have been getting exhausted during workouts,

> > and am easily irritated. I am finding now (as the exercise difficulty

> > increases) that I am less likely to complete a workout. And the

> > euphoria I used to get from working out has almost completely

> > disappeared. I did some research, looking for a reason why this might

> > be happening, and found that:

> >

> > 1) I should only be doing about 1 hour of resistance and no more than

> > 1 hour of cardio at a time.

> > 2) That I should be pulling back in the 4th week of every 4 weeks of

> > training.

> >

> > I'm worried about pulling back so much that I " fall off the wagon " of

> > working-out, but of course I don't want to injure myself either.

> >

> > January consisted of 3-day a week workouts, doing approximately one

> > work-out per muscle group and then 30 minutes of cardio.

> >

> > February's workouts started isolating groups and working 4 days a

> > week. On one day I would do 3 exercises for my shoulders, 3 for back

> > and the same for chest-- then abdominals and cardio. The next would

> > be the same exhaustion work on legs-- plus abdominals and cardio.

> >

> > I guess I'm just asking to be pointed in the right direction.

> >

> > Thanks in advance

> >

> > Eaton

> > Hollywood, CA

>

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Arron,

The workout is insane. You are way overtrained and burned out, you know this

though. That is why you are experiencing the emotional lows.

Is this the first time you are attempting to get 'healthier'?

First off:

Without knowing your exposure to various exercises and knowledge base,

you may need to find a competent trainer to program this or search one of the

sites that offers well balanced workouts for free.

Try some well balanced full body workouts (no more than hour in duration) 3

times per week and on non workout days or at least 3 of them some moderate (20

minutes or less) cardio to start. Use treadmill on an incline, bleacher

climbing, stairmaster and utilize them in a revolving manner. You are from Ca.

get outside and do cardio I am sure you can find some interesting ways to

perform it, be creative.

GET YOUR NUTRITION ON TRACK IT WILL HELP TREMENDOUSLY.

Work smart and hard just not hard!

Damien Chiappini

SPF Training

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ankn47 wrote:

Hey Everyone:

I've been doing a system of training from a book called " Hot Point

Fitness. " I'm 26, have been overweight most of my life, and am now

trying to get in shape.

The author of the book says the workouts should take only about 60-90

minutes to get through. However, my experience has been that they

take about 2 1/2 hours. That's roughly 2 hours of cardio (10-20 reps,

3 sets). All this followed by 30+ minutes of cardio. I have been

doing this schedule 3 times a week since January.

As February started, I have been getting exhausted during workouts,

and am easily irritated. I am finding now (as the exercise difficulty

increases) that I am less likely to complete a workout. And the

euphoria I used to get from working out has almost completely

disappeared. I did some research, looking for a reason why this might

be happening, and found that:

1) I should only be doing about 1 hour of resistance and no more than

1 hour of cardio at a time.

2) That I should be pulling back in the 4th week of every 4 weeks of

training.

I'm worried about pulling back so much that I " fall off the wagon " of

working-out, but of course I don't want to injure myself either.

January consisted of 3-day a week workouts, doing approximately one

work-out per muscle group and then 30 minutes of cardio.

February's workouts started isolating groups and working 4 days a

week. On one day I would do 3 exercises for my shoulders, 3 for back

and the same for chest-- then abdominals and cardio. The next would

be the same exhaustion work on legs-- plus abdominals and cardio.

I guess I'm just asking to be pointed in the right direction.

Thanks in advance

Eaton

Hollywood, CA

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<<<The workout is insane. You are way overtrained and burned out, you

know this though. That is why you are experiencing the emotional lows.>>>

***Yes, that is how it feels. And going to the gym, which was a treat, is now a

drag-- something I flog myself to.

<<<Is this the first time you are attempting to get 'healthier'?>>>

***Several years ago I did this same program for a month with great

results. However, for various reasons I never moved beyond the

one-month mark. At that time I also did the nutritional advice in the

book-- which was terrible. In between I've come back to it with

varying degrees of success. I once did a month of daily cardio,

around 30 minutes at the start, 60 by the end. That left me insanely

hyper and always jumping around.

I find that when I start, I can do a month of very intense working

out-- but after that I fall off the wagon. It's a pattern I hear a

lot of others admitting to. I'm trying to break it.

<<First off:

Without knowing your exposure to various exercises and knowledge base,

you may need to find a competent trainer to program this or search

one of the sites that offers well balanced workouts for free.>>>

***Can you recommend any of those sites? I've never seen one. FYI, here is a

site that has posted day one of the workout I've been doing:

http://extratv.warnerbros.com/reframe.html?http://extratv.warnerbros.com/dailyne\

ws/rxtra/01_01/01_30a.html

> GET YOUR NUTRITION ON TRACK IT WILL HELP TREMENDOUSLY.

**Thanks for emphasizing that. I have been very lazy on the nutritional

research and food prep.

Eaton

Hollywood, CA

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Your workouts should not start with cardio. You should start with a dynamic

warm-up of 10-20 minutes or so. Starting with cardio fatigues the whole system

and can blunt neurological response. This is not what you want when you are

training with weights. Doing abs everyday? Why? Do you squat, bench and deadlift

everyday? Unless you are an Olympic weightlifter using an undulating

periodization schedule that manipulates intensity,repetition,rest periods every

training day for the OL lifts and their assistance exercises, I doubt it. Why

do so many people believe that training abs everyday is good. They are like any

other muscle they do need to recover. If you truly utilize the big compound

lifts, especially with minimal use of a belt, your abs will work to stabilize

your torso. They get indirect work every time you train. The useless ab

infomercials continue to perpetuate the myth of training abs everyday will get

you abs. ARGHH!!

Damien Chiappini

SPF Training

Pittsburgh

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Carson Wood wrote:

Hi.

I'm a regular guy who has lifted for many, many, years.

First off, clear your mind, take a deep breath, slow down. Picture in

your mind, what you would like to look like. Hold that thought, always and

believe in yourself. You'll get there.

Throw away this book. Find the type of cardio you enjoy the most. Start

out slowly, doing cardio six to seven days a week, in shorter sessions. Try

to do 20 minutes a day, eventually working up to, no more than 40 minutes a

day. This will take several months. Remember, nothing worth having comes

easy or fast.

Your cardio should start out your workout. For now, concentrate on multy

joint excersises. My basic movements are, Flat bench press, squat, and

deadlift. These three movements are the grand daddies of lifting moves.

Build in the extra movements that support these three excersises as time

allows.

As for abs, work them daily at the end of your workout.

Don't forget, rest is important so taylor your workout to how your body

feels. You need one holy day where you stay away from the gymn and go for a

walk.

Going to the gym is something that you should be excited about doing and

enjoy.

Don't forget to shy away from simple carbs like anything made with white

flour or sugar. Eat lots of lean protein and green vegetables.

I'm not anywhere near the expert in the finer discussions on this list

but, I believe if you make your journey more enjoyable and simple, you will

come out a winner.

This whole scenerio is my opinion.

Carson Wood

Westbrook Maine, USA.

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Hi .

I've read all the responses and just wanted to add my

2 cents. First of all, congratulations on stickin'

with it. Eventually it will be habit and you'll

actually feel unwell if you don't excercise that day.

It's good to follow some sort of schedule when you

first start out--it gives you something to follow. As

you advance, you will be able to tune into your body's

rhythms--working out is a cycle of tear-down and

recovery--whereby you will instinctually know when you

are at your peak recovery and therefore it is time to

workout again and with greater intensity. With you

being exhausted, it sounds like you are not recovering

fully ( a symptom of overtraining). BTW, you don't

have to continually increase. In fact, some advise to

'cycle' your training with heavy and light days. It

works for me. Lastly, someone posted about circuit

training. If you want to cut your time in the gym,

it's certainly worth a look into as you decrease rest

between excercises and have certain excercises follow

other ones. However, at your beginning stages, that

may be a bit of an overload. I think you hit it on

the head when you intuited that perhaps you advanced

yourself prematurely to the next, more intense stage.

Everybody's initial fitness is different, and

following a book is good, but should be tailored as

such. Hope this helps.

Dan Heffley

Las Vegas, NV

--- ankn47 wrote:

> I want to thank everyone for their responses. And I

> wanted to

> apologize for the typo in my earlier post. I don't

> do 2 1/2 hours of

> cardio-- it's two hours of lifting/abdominal with

> 20-30 minutes of

> cardio at the end (to clear out lactic acid, the

> book says).

>

> : I will definitely check out that book. I

> admit that I've been

> just eating normally as I do the work out-- although

> I indulge my

> cravings for more protein. Thanks for the

> recommendation.

>

> Dan: I liked your suggestion of doing a day of

> cardio, a day of

> resistance. Thanks. I had been working on the

> advice that doing

> cardio at the end of the resistance training helped

> to " flush " the

> muscles of lactic acid and lessened soreness and

> stiffness. I'm going

> to look into it a bit more and see if I can find

> more info.

>

> Carson: I really enjoyed the first 4-week cycle of

> exercises, so I'm

> still holding on to the book for a bit. It's been

> this second,

> higher-intensity round of workouts that have posed

> difficulty (making

> me wonder if I might need more of a time to work up

> to the " phase 2 " ).

>

> Thanks again!

>

> Eaton

> Hollywood, CA

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You and I are definitely not on the same page, we're really having 2

different arguments, you interjected in an argument I was having

about someone who suggested to an individual who was trying to lose

weight to drop the cardio and just do " Circuit Training " so I was

just trying to stick to the subject matter regarding this person who

is a beginner trying to lose weight. If you wanna talk about complex

training and the benefits of that great we can do that, and I'm not

disagreeing with you. So are you now suggesting that a beginner

should do complex training?

Circuit training you do not allow the body to rest so really what

energy system are you hitting? Strength training with rest intervals

what system are you hitting? I'm just saying as a beginner why not

work aerobically and anaerobically. If you wanna dispute that then

let's continue if not we have strayed from the topic at hand.

Let's also be careful about discussing improvements in sedentary

individuals cardiovascular improvements as opposed to trained

individuals. Also because a couple went diving and the woman had more

oxygen the man means nothing to us, maybe she started with a 50 vo2

max comparative to his 35 so what. It's alot of speculation.

Also I am not talking about training for an event I'm just talking

about making changes to ones ability to metabolize fat throughout

heart rate ranges that can be quantified by RQ values and gas

exchange technology. I'm not going to get into the actual programming

that goes into this, that's a whole discussion in itself.

I just want to stress one thing and that is do we train our clients

for " function " which you preach you do, but then you preach that your

client " look " better from just strength training. I find it highly

irresponsible to allow you client to omit something from their

training regimen because it has no determination on how they look.

I also like to keep in mind we both want the same things for our

client, optimal health and I do not dispute your abilities just a

different approach.

Zimmerman, CSCS, USAW

NY, NY

> <<<<Outside the box does not address steady stat and target heart

rate

> training. Can you train your heart through many different methods

yes

> but can you train with specificity for improved metabolic activity

> throughout heart rate ranges specifically based off of your AT, no.

So

> if you have 3 days a week with someone to strength train, would you

just

> get his heart rate up to have him lose weight? Do you think that is

> optimal for long term weight loss? Do you think there is more

metabolic

> activity while at rest after 6 months of circuit training or 6

months of

> strength training?>>>

>

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