Re: Plyometric Training for Powerlifters

[Guest guest]

I have to jump in on this one. I don't know much about

plyometrics, but Mr. Spock (Star Trek) was a hero of

mine. As stated below regarding plyometrics, (A) if

you are doing them wrong then ( you will get hurt.

But (A) implies ( does not lead to the conclusion

that ( implies (A), or, if you are hurt, then you

must have done it wrong. As Mr. Spock would say, that

is illogical.

Mark Glatzer

New York, NY

USA

--- gallagher220 wrote:

> ,

>

> Nowhere in any of my statements did I try to push

> plyometrics or

> olympic lifting on anyone. I simply used documented

> research,

> articles and a website from the most respected

> governing body

> regarding strength and condtitioning. I used very

> little anecdotal

> evidence that plyometrics and olympic lifting are

> beneficial. I

> never made a blanket comment that certain movements

> are for

> everyone. Even though proper form and technique go a

> long way. The bottom line is if you are doing them

> incorrectly you will get hurt. A logical conclusion

> that you have suffered minor chronic injuries as you

> say from plyometrics is that you employed improper

> technique.

>

> [Mod: Dr Yessis has noted rather nicely:

>

> " There are many people who use the same terminology

> but yet in practice, it looks completely different.

> For example, many people use the term plyometrics

> very loosely today. Their practice of plyometrics is

> far from my practice of plyometrics. Thus, even

> though we use the same term, it does not mean we are

> both doing the same thing. This is why I believe we

> must first define our terms before discussing them.

> Giving examples to further explain the terminology

> would also be very beneficial. "

>

> *Over to the members!]

>

> Casey Gallagher CSCS

> Lynwood, Washington

>

>

> >

> > Thank you . This is the last time I'm going

> to respond to

> this, Casey.

> >

> > ONE more time, I used good technique AND I'm well

> coached in OL.

> And I've

> > coached male powerlifters at nationals too. I've

> been competing

> PL 9 years.

> > I started year one at the national level and I've

> done several

> world

> > championships. So I'm far from being a dreadful

> athlete

> overall...I'm a

> > pretty lean big woman too, and my lifts are going

> up again despite

> having

> > been in the sport 9 years already.

> >

> > So quit trying to tell me that I did not use

> proper technique in

> OL! By the

> > way, my FIRST OL Instructor was MEL SIFF. Think

> MEL would have

> let me do

> > cleans or snatches with bad form? Guess again! I

> think can

> also

> > comment on Mel's training habits for OL'ers....and

> Mel was a world

> class

> > OL'er. Very simply, the man would not have let me

> pick up the BAR

> with bad

> > form! The same applies to my CURRENT OL coach!

> >

> > So quit trying to tell me that 1. I used bad OL

> form. I didn't.

> and 2.

> > plyos are great for my particular knee problem.

> They're not. And

> I'm going

> > nowhere near a box jump, good heavens. Not unless

> I want to be

> off the back

> > squat for a month! Wouldn't go near a wobbly

> board or whoopie

> cushion

> > either, same reason!

> >

> > I am though employing some strongman moves in my

> training lately,

> and

> > strongman and PL are much closer in the max

> strength applications

> than OL

> > really.

> >

> > Mel and I had some long talks about program

> formation, and the

> feeling that

> > there is no grand unifying theory of programs.

> One program does

> not fit

> > all, and applying plyos to EVERYONE simply is not

> correct either!

> I'm not

> > " making your point for you " . Quit trying to push

> plyos on

> everyone

> > universally, and remember that if one is unable to

> perform the

> sport merely

> > from doing something in the name of fad, then you

> are not training

> for your

> > sport properly. Proper form in plyos cannot

> prevent them from

> aggravating

> > previous injuries, regardless of the intent in

> performing them.

> If you are

> > gaining on your lifts and succeeding in the

> performance of your

> sport, my

> > advice is to NOT chase the fads, but continue as

> you are. If it

> ain't

> > broke, stop trying to fix it!

> >

> > And Good Luck in the OL world. Perhaps I'll

> see you at an

> OL worlds

> > (masters of course) someday....despite my lack of

> a great vertical

> leap!