Re: Vertigo update

[Guest guest]

PAula

You need more information from that throat culture--It's good to know

that you don't have strep throat but you do want to know what's

there.How can you start to fix an infection fueled vertigo problem

without a little info..Doing low dose drugs in a high bacterial

neibourhood(throat), as you can observe, doesn't jump out and scream

success.I would go back and get the full facts from the culture, NOT

THE GENERIC REPORT that we alway's warn people to avoid and that way

you may at least get a treatment strategy that may work.Or otherwise

try a few augmentins to see if they can impact on your middle ear

balance problems.a the longer they stay, the more engrained these

infections become and the harder they become to clear.

>

> My vertigo is going on 2 months now with no let up. The thrush

> completely cleared up. My throat still felt a bit sore, but the

> generic throat culture came back negative. My throat isn't sore

> anymore, but the vertigo is just as bad.

>

> My doctor sent me to a physical therapy balance specialist. The

> exercises are horrendous and exhausting. They may not fix the

vertigo

> but I think they will give my tendons and muscles a workout.

>

> I had a debate with the pt today. I said if I still have a borrelia

or

> other infection in my brain, ears and nerves this exercise won't

help.

> He agreed, but said that patients always felt worse at first.

>

> I agreed to stick with the therapy.

>

> Any thoughts????

>

> a

>

[Guest guest]

Tony, thanks for this information. I see the doctor Tuesday and will

ask for details.

I am taking high dose Zithromax again and almost immediately I feel

better. (I haven't been on any low dose protocol for over a year

now.) I will ask the doc about augmentin as well. It helped me 11

years ago when I first got sick. That was the only time in 11 years

of illness I can remember my throat feeling anything like this past

two months and the pencillin helped back then.

I will keep you posted.

a

>

> PAula

> You need more information from that throat culture--It's good to

know

> that you don't have strep throat but you do want to know what's

> there.How can you start to fix an infection fueled vertigo problem

> without a little info..Doing low dose drugs in a high bacterial

> neibourhood(throat), as you can observe, doesn't jump out and

scream

> success.I would go back and get the full facts from the culture,

NOT

> THE GENERIC REPORT that we alway's warn people to avoid and that

way

> you may at least get a treatment strategy that may work.Or

otherwise

> try a few augmentins to see if they can impact on your middle ear

> balance problems.a the longer they stay, the more engrained

these

> infections become and the harder they become to clear.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > My vertigo is going on 2 months now with no let up. The thrush

> > completely cleared up. My throat still felt a bit sore, but the

> > generic throat culture came back negative. My throat isn't sore

> > anymore, but the vertigo is just as bad.

> >

> > My doctor sent me to a physical therapy balance specialist. The

> > exercises are horrendous and exhausting. They may not fix the

> vertigo

> > but I think they will give my tendons and muscles a workout.

> >

> > I had a debate with the pt today. I said if I still have a

borrelia

> or

> > other infection in my brain, ears and nerves this exercise won't

> help.

> > He agreed, but said that patients always felt worse at first.

> >

> > I agreed to stick with the therapy.

> >

> > Any thoughts????

> >

> > a

> >

>

[Guest guest]

a

that's good, I just feel that zithro, isn't a bad drug, it does some

good, but if you get the augmentin or penicillin firing alongside

your more likely to do something positive. Remember I also have a

cousin who suffers strep throat and only wants to know about shots,

as normal pill dosing fails him...so don't sit around thinking

you've ever done enough antibiotics if the pills ain't cutting it.So

basically Just get up to speed on whatever it takes to get you

feeling better and don't be scared to go up the treatment ladder to

start beating this.

> > >

> > > My vertigo is going on 2 months now with no let up. The thrush

> > > completely cleared up. My throat still felt a bit sore, but the

> > > generic throat culture came back negative. My throat isn't sore

> > > anymore, but the vertigo is just as bad.

> > >

> > > My doctor sent me to a physical therapy balance specialist. The

> > > exercises are horrendous and exhausting. They may not fix the

> > vertigo

> > > but I think they will give my tendons and muscles a workout.

> > >

> > > I had a debate with the pt today. I said if I still have a

> borrelia

> > or

> > > other infection in my brain, ears and nerves this exercise

won't

> > help.

> > > He agreed, but said that patients always felt worse at first.

> > >

> > > I agreed to stick with the therapy.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts????

> > >

> > > a

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tony, I will ask the doctor about penicillin Tuesday. Eleven years ago

that is what I took that cleared up the throat problem but nothing

else.

The doc did prescribe clindy but it did nothing for me.

I am also doing physical therapy to retrain the inner ear nerves. The

pt and i have discussed whether this will help if I have ongoing

infection. He admits it won't if I do, but insists that it could just

be damage and I need to retrain the brain. I do feel better when I do

th exercises.

Thanks,

a

>

> a

> that's good, I just feel that zithro, isn't a bad drug, it does some

> good, but if you get the augmentin or penicillin firing alongside

> your more likely to do something positive. Remember I also have a

> cousin who suffers strep throat and only wants to know about shots,

> as normal pill dosing fails him...so don't sit around thinking

> you've ever done enough antibiotics if the pills ain't cutting it.So

> basically Just get up to speed on whatever it takes to get you

> feeling better and don't be scared to go up the treatment ladder to

> start beating this.

[Guest guest]

a

It's frustrating to think you may be trying to treat a pseudomonal

ear infection?I just wish you shone some light with that swab that is

still around in the lab.You need to tell them your not interested in

strep throat, but an ear infection that's giving your whole balance a

huge workout. Labs are more interested in he;lping when they have a

little more information on the pathology request slip.

a you also have to understand that giving antibiuotics for ear

infections has such a huge failure rate that the american health (ama

I think) commisioner recommends NO ANTIBIOTICS...

>

> Tony, I will ask the doctor about penicillin Tuesday. Eleven years

ago

> that is what I took that cleared up the throat problem but nothing

> else.

>

> The doc did prescribe clindy but it did nothing for me.

>

> I am also doing physical therapy to retrain the inner ear nerves.

The

> pt and i have discussed whether this will help if I have ongoing

> infection. He admits it won't if I do, but insists that it could

just

> be damage and I need to retrain the brain. I do feel better when I

do

> th exercises.

>

> Thanks,

> a

>

>

> >

> > a

> > that's good, I just feel that zithro, isn't a bad drug, it does

some

> > good, but if you get the augmentin or penicillin firing alongside

> > your more likely to do something positive. Remember I also have a

> > cousin who suffers strep throat and only wants to know about

shots,

> > as normal pill dosing fails him...so don't sit around thinking

> > you've ever done enough antibiotics if the pills ain't cutting

it.So

> > basically Just get up to speed on whatever it takes to get you

> > feeling better and don't be scared to go up the treatment ladder

to

> > start beating this.

>

[Guest guest]

Tony, at least my doctor will give me antibiotics. Yes, I figure the

lab tests were for one or two obvious things. It also doesn't help

that my doctor looked in my ear and said, " You don't have any

inflammation. " So why do I have a pressure headache and feel like my

right ear got hit by a log? Why does the PT tell me that I am right,

my right ear is more damaged than my left?

I don't know the answer but I know the problem.

a

>

> a

> It's frustrating to think you may be trying to treat a pseudomonal

> ear infection?I just wish you shone some light with that swab that

is

> still around in the lab.You need to tell them your not interested

in

> strep throat, but an ear infection that's giving your whole balance

a

> huge workout. Labs are more interested in he;lping when they have a

> little more information on the pathology request slip.

> a you also have to understand that giving antibiuotics for ear

> infections has such a huge failure rate that the american health

(ama

> I think) commisioner recommends NO ANTIBIOTICS...

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Tony, I will ask the doctor about penicillin Tuesday. Eleven

years

> ago

> > that is what I took that cleared up the throat problem but

nothing

> > else.

> >

> > The doc did prescribe clindy but it did nothing for me.

> >

> > I am also doing physical therapy to retrain the inner ear nerves.

> The

> > pt and i have discussed whether this will help if I have ongoing

> > infection. He admits it won't if I do, but insists that it could

> just

> > be damage and I need to retrain the brain. I do feel better when

I

> do

> > th exercises.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > a

> >

> >

> > >

> > > a

> > > that's good, I just feel that zithro, isn't a bad drug, it does

> some

> > > good, but if you get the augmentin or penicillin firing

alongside

> > > your more likely to do something positive. Remember I also have

a

> > > cousin who suffers strep throat and only wants to know about

> shots,

> > > as normal pill dosing fails him...so don't sit around thinking

> > > you've ever done enough antibiotics if the pills ain't cutting

> it.So

> > > basically Just get up to speed on whatever it takes to get you

> > > feeling better and don't be scared to go up the treatment

ladder

> to

> > > start beating this.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> At this point my jaw is feeling much better, but the vertigo,

> pressure headache and pain in my ear are about the same - certainly

> no better.

Jaw eh, and headaches? What was up with the jaw, was that a tooth or

something else? Have you looked into bruxism?

Sorry if I asked you this already, I don't remember... and I'm a bit

of a bruxism evangelist maybe, but what can I do about that, probably

nothing. It's been on my mind as I've attempted to sort out a couple

symptoms that have been reviving on me this fall.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This all started with three things six months ago.

I got my throat sprayed and vocal cords examined. The vocal cords look

normal but they are not. I felt flu-like symptoms within 24 hours.

Then I had a tooth filled 4 days later and got vertigo and severe

thrush in 24 hours.

I was given balance therapy and diagnosed with vestibular nerve

damage. The therapy improved my balance and helped my tendons build

again, but the underlying symptoms of pressure headache severe jaw

pain and vertigo continued.

After much agonizing over what to do about a second tooth I got a root

canal and over the next two weeks the jaw pain healed, but the ear

pain and pressure headache and vertigo continue.

The neuro office seems to be mold contaminated. I get spacey and high

blood pressure while in there. I also cleaned out a stack of books and

magazines beside my bed at home, and I seem to have been slightly

better since. I was so sick two days before that, that I went to the

emergency room. I have to be pretty sick to do that.

Is this Lyme? Fungal infection? Other? The neuro refuses to treat me

with anything but modafinil because the main symptom I could think of

today in my spacey state in his office was a sense like not having

enough oxygen.

I actually bought a dental guard thinking maybe I was grinding my

teeth. I think I may have been grinding when I was in so much pain

from the inflamed nerve in the bad tooth, but I don't have that sense

at all now - just the ongoing headache and vertigo.

Aren't you sorry you asked?

a

>

> Jaw eh, and headaches? What was up with the jaw, was that a tooth or

> something else? Have you looked into bruxism?

>

> Sorry if I asked you this already, I don't remember... and I'm a bit

> of a bruxism evangelist maybe, but what can I do about that,

probably

> nothing. It's been on my mind as I've attempted to sort out a couple

> symptoms that have been reviving on me this fall.

>

[Guest guest]

a

Seems like a tough workout with these bozzo's. You gotta remember

most tests are useless when it comes to anything chronic-MRI's and

the like.I really think your suffering from lung inflammation that

get's triggered by high levels of co2, or basically any stimulant

like flouro lighting or your own set of circumstances(allergens)

that get the bacterial communications lines open for business(quorum

sensing).

>

> Hi ,

> This all started with three things six months ago.

>

> I got my throat sprayed and vocal cords examined. The vocal cords

look

> normal but they are not. I felt flu-like symptoms within 24 hours.

> Then I had a tooth filled 4 days later and got vertigo and severe

> thrush in 24 hours.

>

> I was given balance therapy and diagnosed with vestibular nerve

> damage. The therapy improved my balance and helped my tendons build

> again, but the underlying symptoms of pressure headache severe jaw

> pain and vertigo continued.

>

> After much agonizing over what to do about a second tooth I got a

root

> canal and over the next two weeks the jaw pain healed, but the ear

> pain and pressure headache and vertigo continue.

>

> The neuro office seems to be mold contaminated. I get spacey and

high

> blood pressure while in there. I also cleaned out a stack of books

and

> magazines beside my bed at home, and I seem to have been slightly

> better since. I was so sick two days before that, that I went to

the

> emergency room. I have to be pretty sick to do that.

>

> Is this Lyme? Fungal infection? Other? The neuro refuses to treat

me

> with anything but modafinil because the main symptom I could think

of

> today in my spacey state in his office was a sense like not having

> enough oxygen.

>

> I actually bought a dental guard thinking maybe I was grinding my

> teeth. I think I may have been grinding when I was in so much pain

> from the inflamed nerve in the bad tooth, but I don't have that

sense

> at all now - just the ongoing headache and vertigo.

>

> Aren't you sorry you asked?

>

> a

>

> >

> > Jaw eh, and headaches? What was up with the jaw, was that a tooth

or

> > something else? Have you looked into bruxism?

> >

> > Sorry if I asked you this already, I don't remember... and I'm a

bit

> > of a bruxism evangelist maybe, but what can I do about that,

> probably

> > nothing. It's been on my mind as I've attempted to sort out a

couple

> > symptoms that have been reviving on me this fall.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I actually bought a dental guard thinking maybe I was grinding my

> teeth. I think I may have been grinding when I was in so much pain

> from the inflamed nerve in the bad tooth, but I don't have that

sense

> at all now - just the ongoing headache and vertigo.

I think what I've read in some soft source(s) (without seeing actual

data), is that the usual guards aren't effective for most people in

actually stopping bruxism. It just protects your teeth from being

degraded by tooth-on-tooth abrasion.

I remember reading about things like light sensitivity and spaciness

as possible bruxism symptoms, on a bruxism/TMJ list long ago. This

was probably some list thrown together by some patient. I don't

think you can attribute these phenomena to bruxism *necessarily*, as

CNS inflammation may well be behind the severe bruxism, and may be

associated with other inflammatory symptoms not caused via bruxism.

Nevertheless, it does look to me like fog, aversive somatic

sensations localized in the head, and photophobia -- when they

happen to me perosnally -- are often associated with a slightly sore

and catchy jaw indicating bad bruxism having recently taken place.

This is fairly subtle... but I feel it if I open my jaw all the way

up... also if I feel around and press my fingers into just the right

spot in the meaty jaw muscles found below and in front of the ear

lobes, near the hinge of the jaw, I often find that they produce a

dullish, yet very whiney and tormented sort of pain. Very

importantly, I am by no means suggesting that these are reliable and

sensitive criteria for cueing in on bruxism. Quite the opposite.

This is literally one person's experience. Several other signs and

indications can easily be found using google, though stationary

bruxism (clenching without grinding) will unfortunately fail to

yield certain grinding-dependent signs, such as worn teeth.

[Guest guest]

I think inflammation and/or CNS problem could well be behind bruxism. The reason I say this is that one of the noticeable benefits I received from Benicar is a stopping of the teeth chattering/grinding that I've experienced all my life. I've now been off Benicar for a couple of weeks, and so far the chattering has not come back (finally, as this was always my first indicator that the Benicar had worn off). I'm hoping this relief lasts, because I'd like to stay off Benicar for the foreseeable future. So far so good. penny <usenethod@...> wrote: > I actually bought a dental guard thinking maybe I was grinding my > teeth. I think I may have been grinding when I was in so much pain > from the inflamed nerve in the bad tooth, but I don't have that sense > at all now - just the ongoing headache and vertigo.I think what I've read in some soft source(s) (without seeing actual data), is that the usual guards aren't effective for most people in actually stopping bruxism. It just protects your teeth from being degraded by tooth-on-tooth abrasion. I remember reading about things like light sensitivity and spaciness as possible bruxism symptoms, on a bruxism/TMJ list long ago. This was probably some list thrown together by some patient. I don't think you can attribute these phenomena to bruxism *necessarily*, as

CNS inflammation may well be behind the severe bruxism, and may be associated with other inflammatory symptoms not caused via bruxism. Nevertheless, it does look to me like fog, aversive somatic sensations localized in the head, and photophobia -- when they happen to me perosnally -- are often associated with a slightly sore and catchy jaw indicating bad bruxism having recently taken place. This is fairly subtle... but I feel it if I open my jaw all the way up... also if I feel around and press my fingers into just the right spot in the meaty jaw muscles found below and in front of the ear lobes, near the hinge of the jaw, I often find that they produce a dullish, yet very whiney and tormented sort of pain. Very importantly, I am by no means suggesting that these are reliable and sensitive criteria for cueing in on bruxism. Quite the opposite. This is literally one person's experience. Several other signs and

indications can easily be found using google, though stationary bruxism (clenching without grinding) will unfortunately fail to yield certain grinding-dependent signs, such as worn teeth.

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