RE: Fwd: My web pages on Recuperat-ion, MP, & guaifenesin.

[Guest guest]

Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP, and just finished a web page on it: http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.htmlWow! It will take me a while to digest this, but it looks like many of us could learn something useful from it.- Kate

[Guest guest]

I am reviewing this document. The first

few sentences caught my eye saying avoiding all forms of Vitamin D. As a woman

diagnosed with MS, I didn’t understand avoidance of vitamin D anyway will

continue to review this but wondered about that specifically

From: infections [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of Kate

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:50 PM

infections

Subject: Re:

[infections] Fwd: My web pages on Recuperat-ion, MP, &

guaifenesin.

Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP, and just finished a

web page on it:

http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.html

Wow! It will take me a while to digest this, but it looks like many of

us could learn something useful from it.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

My cousin has MS and the first thing he started doing

religiously was adding in HUGE amounts of vitamin D and that hasn't

helped squat for him.I think inflammtion affects D levels and using

bandaid measures trying to add D as opposed to STOPPING OR SLOWING

inflammtion is doing things the wrong way IMO>>>

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> I am reviewing this document. The first few

> sentences caught my eye saying avoiding all forms

> of Vitamin D. As a woman diagnosed with MS, I

> didn't understand avoidance of vitamin D anyway

> will continue to review this but wondered about

> that specifically

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> From: infections

> [mailto:infections ]

> On Behalf Of Kate

> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:50 PM

> infections

> Subject: Re: [infections] Fwd: My

> web pages on Recuperat-ion, MP, & guaifenesin.

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> Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP,

> and just finished a

> web page on it:

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> http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.html

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> Wow! It will take me a while to digest this, but

> it looks like many of us could learn something

> useful from it.

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> - Kate

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[Guest guest]

I haven't read it all yet myself, but I think Mark is very fair and objective and often gives new insights into things, so I'm looking forward to siitting down and really reading it. I've already found some of the things he says on the Blasi protocol to be really interesting. For instance the idea that sodium reduces Angiotensin II (just like benicar!) and THAT could be why people are getting pain relief from it. I bought some, I think I"ll get more diligent about taking it. It would be nice to substitute benicar with salt. :-) pennyKate <KateDunlay@...> wrote: Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP, and just finished a web page on it:http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.html Wow! It will take me a while to digest this, but it looks like many of us could learn something useful from it. - Kate

[Guest guest]

This is specifically a claim made by the marshall protocol. So far it's been hard to justify it for any group other than perhaps sarcoidosis patients. However, I do know 2 people who say they feel much better avoiding the sun. Whether this is because of vitamin D, I can't say. Personally, I'm thinking that strict avoidance of D that's called for in the official protocol could be harmful. Especially based on all the science to the contrary as well as talking to vitamin D experts who say the D ratio that's used in the protocol is not reliable as a marker of inflammation. pennyjulie levitt <knightshotter@...> wrote: I am reviewing this document. The first few sentences caught my eye saying avoiding all forms of Vitamin D. As a woman diagnosed with MS, I didn’t

understand avoidance of vitamin D anyway will continue to review this but wondered about that specifically From: infections [mailto:infections ]

On Behalf Of KateSent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:50 PMinfections Subject: Re: [infections] Fwd: My web pages on Recuperat-ion, MP, & guaifenesin. Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP, and just finished a web page on it:http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.html Wow! It will take me a while to digest this, but it looks like many of us could learn something useful from it. - Kate

[Guest guest]

I have been majorly impressed with Mark’s

work. I’ve been taking Recuperation since November, and it has helped me

as much as anything I have done except for taking Zithromax. It definitely

adjusts pH levels. For me that could explain why it is helping because it is

allowing my body to keep more magnesium and calcium. Some of you may recall

that I had severe tendon damage from the quinolones I was given for Lyme

disease. Recuperation is the first thing that has even touched the tendon pain.

I am also taking magnesium taurinate in high doses and still can get muscle

cramps, so Recuperation seems to be the way to go for me.

I also have high cortisol levels. Since I

started Recup I have felt so much less depressed and anxious – again,

according to Mark’s study this would make perfect sense with reduced

cortisol levels.

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Carnes

I haven't read it all yet myself, but I think Mark is very fair and

objective and often gives new insights into things, so I'm looking forward to

siitting down and really reading it.

I've already found some of the things he says on the Blasi protocol to

be really interesting. For instance the idea that sodium reduces Angiotensin II

(just like benicar!) and THAT could be why people are getting pain relief from

it. I bought some, I think I " ll get more diligent about taking it. It

would be nice to substitute benicar with salt. :-)

penny

Kate

<KateDunlay@...> wrote:

Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP, and just finished a

web page on it:

http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.html

Wow! It will take me a while to digest this, but it looks like many of

us could learn something useful from it.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

I hope what I am going to write here will

be helpful. Take it for what it is worth – scuttlebutt. I know two

doctors who are very gung ho about the MP. BUT they do not have their patients

avoid sunlight or fish for very long – we are talking six months to year

and then not very strict.

Also, I think the Benicar at that high

dose is very iffy in some cases – it certainly was in mine.

So that leaves us back with the choice of

antibiotics – not living in caves for YEARS. I do have reason to believe

that there are Lyme patients recovering on the MP, but it is not clear to me which

part of the treatment is helping them. I tend to think it is the antibiotics.

IMO, for what it is worth, avoiding D for

2-4 years is neither healthy or safe. I mean, theoretically if you get the

bacteria level down you would be killing yourself to never get any vitamin D.

a

Carnes

This is specifically a claim made by the marshall protocol. So far it's been hard to

justify it for any group other than perhaps sarcoidosis patients. However,

I do know 2 people who say they feel much better avoiding the sun. Whether this

is because of vitamin D, I can't say. Personally, I'm thinking that strict

avoidance of D that's called for in the official protocol could be harmful.

Especially based on all the science to the contrary as well as talking to

vitamin D experts who say the D ratio that's used in the protocol is not

reliable as a marker of inflammation.

penny

julie levitt

<knightshotter@...> wrote:

I am reviewing this document. The first

few sentences caught my eye saying avoiding all forms of Vitamin D. As a woman

diagnosed with MS, I didn’t understand avoidance of vitamin D anyway will

continue to review this but wondered about that specifically

From: infections

[mailto:infections ]

On Behalf Of Kate

Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:50 PM

infections

Subject: Re:

[infections] Fwd: My web pages on Recuperat-ion, MP, &

guaifenesin.

Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP, and just finished a

web page on it:

http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.html

Wow! It will take me a while to digest this, but it looks like many of

us could learn something useful from it.

- Kate

[Guest guest]

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All benicar has done for me and some others is left us with busted

arses.I get excited when something clamps inflammation but when it

stopped and never worked again(tried several probes on later

occasions) I felt the trash heap was all the protocol was good for.I

was also not bashfull to try all the other antiogensin drugs in the

group to see if there was any inflammation clamping potential after

it disappeared on the benicar. I feel like all that group of drugs-

the mechanism of action can be beaten by the group of circumstances

in the body they are trying to intervene on- also if they got it

right they wouldn't keep bringing newer and newer antiogensin drugs

into the market.

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> I am reviewing this document. The first few sentences caught my

eye saying

> avoiding all forms of Vitamin D. As a woman diagnosed with MS, I

didn't

> understand avoidance of vitamin D anyway will continue to review

this but

> wondered about that specifically

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> From: infections

> [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of

Kate

> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:50 PM

> infections

> Subject: Re: [infections] Fwd: My web pages on

Recuperat-ion,

> MP, & guaifenesin.

>

>

>

> Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP, and just finished

a

> web page on it:

>

> http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.html

>

>

>

> Wow! It will take me a while to digest this, but it looks like

many of us

> could learn something useful from it.

>

>

>

> - Kate

>

> _____

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[Guest guest]

You know Penny Avapro that is popular here in aus ain't a bad drug.

I think our drug testing agency evaluates which drugs actually save

lives and do as there supposed to before putting them on the public

purse. avapro seems to fit the criteria and is 99 out of 100 scripts

written for ARB " S.-My uncle just got so excited with avapro when he

was having a hard tiome with all the other options- giving him too

many side effects in his trying to reduce blood pressure.

So in the case of using an arb for it's intended purpose in healthy

folk which I feel strongly overlaps our own scenario's

(inflammation), the drug performs well in it's arena.

-- In infections , Penny Houle

<pennyhoule@...> wrote:

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> But Tony, didn't your uncle feel much improved on his ARB? I think

it has something to do with the way our disease manifests whether we

get results or not.

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> I would love if the salt could do the same thing for me that

benicar does. I'm going to try getting more serious about that now

that I've read Mark London's analysis of the MP as well as the 2

salt protocols that people are raving about.

>

> But as we've discussed many times, Benicar has been a huge life

saver for me. You know I don't tolerate drugs that don't get

results, and the fact that I still spend $200 a month on Benicar

almost 2 years later must tell you something.

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> I've also defied the official protocol by increasing my D intake

rather than decreasing it, and I know with certaintly that I feel

best IN the sun, not out of it (except when I have a migraine - a

symptom which has decreased 5 fold since starting benicar, by the

way. I see there's a study on that interesting phenomenon, which

Mark cited in his piece).

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> As you know, I'm also one of the people who absolutely cannot

tolerate minocycline which is the mainstay of the MP. I was so happy

to see Mark point out that some people, healthy or not, cannot

tolerate this drug. It gives me the horrible symptoms of psuedotumor

cerebri, which is a well established side effect of the drug. (I

also noticed that Burrascano was not extremely impressed with the

drug during his talk at the lyme conference.)

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> All in all, I thought Mark put together a very balanced analysis

of the mp and all the science out there that either supports or

disputes it. And I'm happy to see that he's compiled evidence which

may support Benicar's effectiveness, but not necessarily for the

reasons stated in the MP.

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> He did the same for guaifenisen, which I found amazingly

insightful. Reading the official protocol site for gaui, you get a

completely different idea about the reasons for using the drug.

After reading Mark's elegant, yet simply stated analysis of the

drug, I now realize that it's an analgesic, a muscle relaxer, and a

blood thinner, derived from tree bark, and has been used for

centuries for these purposes. Makes way more sense to me now, why

some people benefit from it, and why it can be tolerated for long

term with no side effects.

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> penny

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> dumbaussie2000 <dumbaussie2000@...> wrote:

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> All benicar has done for me and some others is left us with busted

> arses.I get excited when something clamps inflammation but when it

> stopped and never worked again(tried several probes on later

> occasions) I felt the trash heap was all the protocol was good

for.I

> was also not bashfull to try all the other antiogensin drugs in

the

> group to see if there was any inflammation clamping potential

after

> it disappeared on the benicar. I feel like all that group of

drugs-

> the mechanism of action can be beaten by the group of

circumstances

> in the body they are trying to intervene on- also if they got it

> right they wouldn't keep bringing newer and newer antiogensin

drugs

> into the market.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I am reviewing this document. The first few sentences caught my

> eye saying

> > avoiding all forms of Vitamin D. As a woman diagnosed with MS, I

> didn't

> > understand avoidance of vitamin D anyway will continue to review

> this but

> > wondered about that specifically

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> > From: infections

> > [mailto:infections ] On Behalf Of

> Kate

> > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:50 PM

> > infections

> > Subject: Re: [infections] Fwd: My web pages on

> Recuperat-ion,

> > MP, & guaifenesin.

> >

> >

> >

> > Then a year and a half ago I discovered the MP, and just

finished

> a

> > web page on it:

> >

> > http://web.mit.edu/london/www/universe.html

> >

> >

> >

> > Wow! It will take me a while to digest this, but it looks like

> many of us

> > could learn something useful from it.

> >

> >

> >

> > - Kate

> >

> > _____

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