Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hydrangea arborescens root is suposed to dissolve stones - I'm in the process of trying this - I'll let you know if it works! Fidler --- Sabine Hiller wrote: > Hi everybody, > > i talked to a potential new Pt today. As the stone > is in the gland rather than the duct there is talk > of removing the gland itself. Pt is getting a > second opinion, but in the meantime has to deal with > a lot of swelling and pain, and is reluctant to take > yet more a/biotics. Seems there are quite a few > risks involved in the procedure, which he wants to > avoid. I'm thinking Trifolium, Echinacea, bitters > to help move stone into duct so it could be removed > somewhat easier? Is there anything that could help > dissolve them? Diet? Has anybody treated this > successfully before, what dietary advice did you > give, if any? > > Any advice would be much appreciated! > Many thanks! > Sabine > > > Sabine Hiller BSc(Hons) MIIMH MNIMH > Medical Herbalist > Knockrooskey > Westport > Co.Mayo > Tel. 098-35909 > herbalist@... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hi Sabine, An Amazonian herb (locally called 'stone breaker') might help. Rio herbs stock it: http://www.riohealth.co.uk/product.asp?dept%5Fid=1 & sku=114 The tea is the more traditional form but they have pills also. It is reputed to be miraculous. But... is your Px getting checked for lymphoma, at least basic bloods? Are there blocks anywhere else, or general lymphadenopathy? If all clear, you could progress with traditional lymphatics (Calendula, clivers etc.), ideally as teas, & Gelsemium / Poke gtt may help (low dose). Check if there is anything in the diet (other than the antibiotics!) that would be causing any traditional concepts like 'damp', or stagnation. TCM theory & dietetics can be quite helpful. Basically, avoid mucous forming foods (refined flour, dairy produce & sugar), any allergens (1st identify - cf. Brostoff) & anything dry/difficult to swallow. Synthetic saliva is available from any chemist if necessary - if the swelling makes eating hard, protein-rich products like ensure can be useful, if tasteless! Good options are high fibre, lots of soups & juices (pea soup & carrot juice!) with an emphasis on cleansing/intestinal health (to address recent antibiotics) foods high in fructo-oligo-saccharides can be useful - e.g. asparagus, artichoke. Topical anti-inflammatory treatment can also help: Whitehouse recommended a cream inluding Myrrh & Poke Tr in a Calendula base, maybe some incense EO, which I found to be effective on different types of inflammation. Not to be missed is the emotional effect of his current situation - address stress (nervines), maybe with flower remedies ('Creative Essence' from Bush flower essences might be indicated) if you think there is an emotional component to the 'block'. I hope your Px gets well! Regards Tamsin Reply-To: ukherbal-list To: <ukherbal-list > Subject: Salivary gland stone Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:55:47 +0100 Hi everybody, i talked to a potential new Pt today. As the stone is in the gland rather than the duct there is talk of removing the gland itself. Pt is getting a second opinion, but in the meantime has to deal with a lot of swelling and pain, and is reluctant to take yet more a/biotics. Seems there are quite a few risks involved in the procedure, which he wants to avoid. I'm thinking Trifolium, Echinacea, bitters to help move stone into duct so it could be removed somewhat easier? Is there anything that could help dissolve them? Diet? Has anybody treated this successfully before, what dietary advice did you give, if any? Any advice would be much appreciated! Many thanks! Sabine Sabine Hiller BSc(Hons) MIIMH MNIMH Medical Herbalist Knockrooskey Westport Co.Mayo Tel. 098-35909 herbalist@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hi , that's really interesting! What's the source/reference for that use? Do you have the stones in the gland, or the duct? And how long have you neeb taking Hydrangea, and how much, and ...any relief yet??? Would love to hear more! Many thanks to yourself and Hayley for the swift replies! (did your aunt use the Ech neat?) Been wondering whether stimulating flow of saliva could in fact worsen the congestion/pain, seeing that Sx are usually worse with meals...?? Sabine Re: Salivary gland stone > Hydrangea arborescens root is suposed to dissolve > stones - I'm in the process of trying this - I'll let > you know if it works! > Fidler > > --- Sabine Hiller wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > > > i talked to a potential new Pt today. As the stone > > is in the gland rather than the duct there is talk > > of removing the gland itself. Pt is getting a > > second opinion, but in the meantime has to deal with > > a lot of swelling and pain, and is reluctant to take > > yet more a/biotics. Seems there are quite a few > > risks involved in the procedure, which he wants to > > avoid. I'm thinking Trifolium, Echinacea, bitters > > to help move stone into duct so it could be removed > > somewhat easier? Is there anything that could help > > dissolve them? Diet? Has anybody treated this > > successfully before, what dietary advice did you > > give, if any? > > > > Any advice would be much appreciated! > > Many thanks! > > Sabine > > > > > > Sabine Hiller BSc(Hons) MIIMH MNIMH > > Medical Herbalist > > Knockrooskey > > Westport > > Co.Mayo > > Tel. 098-35909 > > herbalist@... > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 perhaps rather simplistic, but sucking bits of lemon whichcause salivation and gland actitivity is supposed to allow movement and expulsion. worth a try! Re: Salivary gland stone > Hydrangea arborescens root is suposed to dissolve > stones - I'm in the process of trying this - I'll let > you know if it works! > Fidler > > --- Sabine Hiller wrote: > >> Hi everybody, >> >> i talked to a potential new Pt today. As the stone >> is in the gland rather than the duct there is talk >> of removing the gland itself. Pt is getting a >> second opinion, but in the meantime has to deal with >> a lot of swelling and pain, and is reluctant to take >> yet more a/biotics. Seems there are quite a few >> risks involved in the procedure, which he wants to >> avoid. I'm thinking Trifolium, Echinacea, bitters >> to help move stone into duct so it could be removed >> somewhat easier? Is there anything that could help >> dissolve them? Diet? Has anybody treated this >> successfully before, what dietary advice did you >> give, if any? >> >> Any advice would be much appreciated! >> Many thanks! >> Sabine >> >> >> Sabine Hiller BSc(Hons) MIIMH MNIMH >> Medical Herbalist >> Knockrooskey >> Westport >> Co.Mayo >> Tel. 098-35909 >> herbalist@... >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Green wrote: perhaps rather simplistic, but sucking bits of lemon whichcause salivation and gland actitivity is supposed to allow movement and expulsion. worth a try! Heavens, that sounds cruel! Parotid stones can be large compared to the size of the duct, so expulsion may be impossible. Anti-lithic remedies could be worth trying, incuding externally over the gland. I once treated someone with prostate stones successfully so such herbs may be applicable to any calcified stones. Takes several months, but if her symptoms ease in the meantime, then she will probably stick with it. Good luck Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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