Re: Katrina Brain or Neurocognitive Effects of Toxins?????

[Guest guest]

Hey Quackadillian,

Think you are right. And the toxins the children of New Orleans are exposed

to can produce the same symptoms. I have often wondered if many of us would

have less severe reactions if the physicians were trained just to understand

that these illnesses may be mold/toxin induced.

I think one of the biggest elements that causes stress over the mold issue,

is to know that your are physically ill and are not able to obtain medical

help or guidance. I wonder how much this unnecessary stress and added fear

increases the severity of mold toxicity in some people? Stress can wreak havoc

on an immune system. It only makes sense to me, that an immune system already

in distress, would experience compounded damage from the stress of the

matter.

Sharon

Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid it) stress does cause

permanent, severe brain damage.

It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently. It can also cause lots of other

diseases.

The stress hormones your body produces act as toxins, similar to mold

toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells and this can end up ruining

people's lives.

[Guest guest]

Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid it) stress does cause

permanent, severe brain damage.

It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently. It can also cause lots of other

diseases.

The stress hormones your body produces act as toxins, similar to mold

toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells and this can end up ruining

people's lives.

[Guest guest]

Yes, that is part of it.

But the causative factor is the mold.

In other words, if you were to perform a failure analysis using any of the

many

techniques for doing so, the thing that would be identified

as causing the cascade of disasters in people's lives would be the

unwelcome presence of those extremely powerful toxins in their homes

when they were not supposed to be there.

In fact, when you look at that, everything else makes sense.

It hits you smack in the face.. its obvious..

On 11/25/06, snk1955@... <snk1955@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hey Quackadillian,

>

> Think you are right. And the toxins the children of New Orleans are

> exposed

> to can produce the same symptoms. I have often wondered if many of us

> would

> have less severe reactions if the physicians were trained just to

> understand

> that these illnesses may be mold/toxin induced.

>

> I think one of the biggest elements that causes stress over the mold

> issue,

> is to know that your are physically ill and are not able to obtain medical

>

> help or guidance. I wonder how much this unnecessary stress and added fear

>

> increases the severity of mold toxicity in some people? Stress can wreak

> havoc

> on an immune system. It only makes sense to me, that an immune system

> already

> in distress, would experience compounded damage from the stress of the

> matter.

>

> Sharon

>

> Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid it) stress does cause

> permanent, severe brain damage.

>

> It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently. It can also cause lots of

> other

> diseases.

>

> The stress hormones your body produces act as toxins, similar to mold

> toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells and this can end up ruining

> people's lives.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I went to all the best doctors and they told me all the terrible

things that were wrong and they helped me some. But knowing how

serious this illness is and knowing that our doctors aren't as smart

as we thought they were is very hard. Plus knowing that our

government is letting us suffer with the mold and chemicals is

putting a strain on my health. But the worse thing is being treated

poorly. I actually thought I was loved and meant so much to people

before I got so ill, now I know different. But I have not lost my

determination, I know I am a good person and working on a very

important cause that will make a difference some day. I was sitting

at the computer a few weeks ago and my nasty father-in-law started

mumbling about me on the computer and am I getting paid for this work

I do. Bla bla bla. I told him he should start listening to what they

preach at that church he goes to. He acts like he is religous and

then sprays my room with cologne before he leaves. Isn't that nice.

in my body is harmful for my body.-- In

, snk1955@... wrote:

>

>

> Hey Quackadillian,

>

> Think you are right. And the toxins the children of New Orleans

are exposed

> to can produce the same symptoms. I have often wondered if many

of us would

> have less severe reactions if the physicians were trained just to

understand

> that these illnesses may be mold/toxin induced.

>

> I think one of the biggest elements that causes stress over the

mold issue,

> is to know that your are physically ill and are not able to obtain

medical

> help or guidance. I wonder how much this unnecessary stress and

added fear

> increases the severity of mold toxicity in some people? Stress can

wreak havoc

> on an immune system. It only makes sense to me, that an immune

system already

> in distress, would experience compounded damage from the stress of

the

> matter.

>

> Sharon

>

> Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid it) stress does cause

> permanent, severe brain damage.

>

> It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently. It can also cause lots

of other

> diseases.

>

> The stress hormones your body produces act as toxins, similar to

mold

> toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells and this can end up

ruining

> people's lives.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There was something about this, on CNN I believe was the channel,

regarding post war stress syndrome. They did catscans of their brain

and found that they had in common a part of the brain the was smaller

and did not respond to stimuli in a normal way anymore. It was a

small part of brain in back...can't remember name of it, but they

showed images and you could tell the difference when they put it up

against a brain image of someone without PWSD. It's as if the

nerves 'fried' the area, i.e. burned it out. It is an area that

controls memory and they said people can't remember 'new' things very

well but have memory of the trauma fried into their memory and all

they can remember is this awful thing and they review it over and over

again, slightest thing awakens memory, dream about it at night,

causing sleep trouble. Awful. We really owe people who serve in the

armed forces. Of course other people can get this but more people in

the service get this than from other causes but it does also happen

outside of service too.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid it) stress does cause

> permanent, severe brain damage.

>

> It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently. It can also cause lots

of other

> diseases.

>

> The stress hormones your body produces act as toxins, similar to mold

> toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells and this can end up

ruining

> people's lives.

[Guest guest]

Barb,

The damage that shows up on brain imaging and in EEGs from mold illness is

something else entirely, from the damages caused by longtime traumatic

stress, from what I can tell. They occur in different parts of the brain.

But I am sure that the traumatic stress injury from mold illness's effects

on someone's life situation adds to the injury from the illness itself, in

terms of the chaos it causes for them.

So, I can see why the insurance companies, think tanks, etc. are desperate

to find a way to blame it on 'stress'.

If this is an issue that actually concerns you, you really need to be

talking to some of the people who are actually doing research on this

subject rather than doing this speculation about " PWSD " .

On 11/26/06, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> There was something about this, on CNN I believe was the channel,

> regarding post war stress syndrome. They did catscans of their brain

> and found that they had in common a part of the brain the was smaller

> and did not respond to stimuli in a normal way anymore. It was a

> small part of brain in back...can't remember name of it, but they

> showed images and you could tell the difference when they put it up

> against a brain image of someone without PWSD. It's as if the

> nerves 'fried' the area, i.e. burned it out. It is an area that

> controls memory and they said people can't remember 'new' things very

> well but have memory of the trauma fried into their memory and all

> they can remember is this awful thing and they review it over and over

> again, slightest thing awakens memory, dream about it at night,

> causing sleep trouble. Awful. We really owe people who serve in the

> armed forces. Of course other people can get this but more people in

> the service get this than from other causes but it does also happen

> outside of service too.

>

>

> >

> > Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid it) stress does cause

> > permanent, severe brain damage.

> >

> > It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently. It can also cause lots

> of other

> > diseases.

> >

> > The stress hormones your body produces act as toxins, similar to mold

> > toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells and this can end up

> ruining

> > people's lives.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

do a search on 'physicological depresssion,toxin exposure'. katrina

victoms will suffer from both phychological and physicological

depression like many gulf war vets have. many gulf war vets also have

mcs. and pstd is also a physicological affect of exposure to toxins.-

basically, some of us have gulf war illness, same thing as. -- In

, LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

>

> Barb,

>

> The damage that shows up on brain imaging and in EEGs from mold

illness is

> something else entirely, from the damages caused by longtime

traumatic

> stress, from what I can tell. They occur in different parts of the

brain.

> But I am sure that the traumatic stress injury from mold illness's

effects

> on someone's life situation adds to the injury from the illness

itself, in

> terms of the chaos it causes for them.

>

> So, I can see why the insurance companies, think tanks, etc. are

desperate

> to find a way to blame it on 'stress'.

>

> If this is an issue that actually concerns you, you really need to

be

> talking to some of the people who are actually doing research on

this

> subject rather than doing this speculation about " PWSD " .

>

>

>

>

>

> On 11/26/06, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> >

> > There was something about this, on CNN I believe was the

channel,

> > regarding post war stress syndrome. They did catscans of their

brain

> > and found that they had in common a part of the brain the was

smaller

> > and did not respond to stimuli in a normal way anymore. It was a

> > small part of brain in back...can't remember name of it, but they

> > showed images and you could tell the difference when they put it

up

> > against a brain image of someone without PWSD. It's as if the

> > nerves 'fried' the area, i.e. burned it out. It is an area that

> > controls memory and they said people can't remember 'new' things

very

> > well but have memory of the trauma fried into their memory and all

> > they can remember is this awful thing and they review it over and

over

> > again, slightest thing awakens memory, dream about it at night,

> > causing sleep trouble. Awful. We really owe people who serve in

the

> > armed forces. Of course other people can get this but more people

in

> > the service get this than from other causes but it does also

happen

> > outside of service too.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid it) stress does

cause

> > > permanent, severe brain damage.

> > >

> > > It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently. It can also cause

lots

> > of other

> > > diseases.

> > >

> > > The stress hormones your body produces act as toxins, similar

to mold

> > > toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells and this can end up

> > ruining

> > > people's lives.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wish me luck, i have a appointment tomarrow with a infectious disease

doctor who used to be a va doctor and i was told he has knowledge on

mold exposure and reacureing infections, i hope to get some proper

diagnoses, and control over infections so i can have cataracts

sergery. will let ya know how it goes.

> > > >

> > > > Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid it) stress does

> cause

> > > > permanent, severe brain damage.

> > > >

> > > > It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently. It can also cause

> lots

> > > of other

> > > > diseases.

> > > >

> > > > The stress hormones your body produces act as toxins, similar

> to mold

> > > > toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells and this can end

up

> > > ruining

> > > > people's lives.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Live Simply,

Read the post more carefully please so I don't

have to repeat myself needlessly.

I was not " speculating " on injury to brain. I

was retelling a story I saw on CNN, and no this

is not a concern of mine at all for myself. I

was commenting on subject brought up by you or

someone else of brain injury by stress! I was not

referring to brain injury from mold illness.

I'd just like to get in here and read posts and

get out without having to repeat things and clear

up you misquoting me.

Please reread my post and your post to see where

you went wrong. Your mentioning of brain

shrinking reminded me of CNN story where

'Hippocampus' was shown to be shrunken and very

unactive after traumatic stress. I used the word

'fried'. I didn't mean by heat.

CNN program I was referring to was called

" Memory " and hosted by Sanya Gupta but I cannot

find a link to it but this is off topic I think

so not going searching for it either:

" Memory " premieres Sunday, March 27 at 10pm on

CNN.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta is senior medical correspondent

for the health and medical unit at CNN. Gupta, a

practicing neurosurgeon and an assistant

professor of neurosurgery "

>>Posted by: " LiveSimply " quackadillian@...

Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:42 am (PST)

Barb,

The damage that shows up on brain imaging and in

EEGs from mold illness is

something else entirely, from the damages caused

by longtime traumatic

stress, from what I can tell. They occur in

different parts of the brain.

But I am sure that the traumatic stress injury

from mold illness's effects

on someone's life situation adds to the injury

from the illness itself, in

terms of the chaos it causes for them.

So, I can see why the insurance companies, think

tanks, etc. are desperate

to find a way to blame it on 'stress'.

If this is an issue that actually concerns you,

you really need to be

talking to some of the people who are actually

doing research on this

subject rather than doing this speculation about

" PWSD " .

On 11/26/06, barb1283 <barb1283 (DOT) com>

wrote:

>

> There was something about this, on CNN I

believe was the channel,

> regarding post war stress syndrome. They did

catscans of their brain

> and found that they had in common a part of the

brain the was smaller

> and did not respond to stimuli in a normal way

anymore. It was a

> small part of brain in back...can't remember

name of it, but they

> showed images and you could tell the difference

when they put it up

> against a brain image of someone without PWSD.

It's as if the

> nerves 'fried' the area, i.e. burned it out. It

is an area that

> controls memory and they said people can't

remember 'new' things very

> well but have memory of the trauma fried into

their memory and all

> they can remember is this awful thing and they

review it over and over

> again, slightest thing awakens memory, dream

about it at night,

> causing sleep trouble. Awful. We really owe

people who serve in the

> armed forces. Of course other people can get

this but more people in

> the service get this than from other causes but

it does also happen

> outside of service too.

>

>

> >

> > Severe, uncontrollable (when you can't avoid

it) stress does cause

> > permanent, severe brain damage.

> >

> > It shrinks parts of the brain, permanently.

It can also cause lots

> of other

> > diseases.

> >

> > The stress hormones your body produces act as

toxins, similar to mold

> > toxins, actually, and they kill brain cells

and this can end up

> ruining

> > people's lives.