Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 I don't think you've made a mistake. It make take some time to find what works best for your child. Regardless of the method you use, it will take some time for your daughter to get accustomed to whatever intervention you decide on (but I think even typical kids take time to get accustomed to structure, maybe just not as much time). That being said, our son has been involved in Floor time therapies for 2 years now (he's 4.5) and has made great progress. Personally I can't say enough about that approach. That really is the best approach for our son. And that is the important thing. Find what works best for your daughter. How long have you been trying ABA? Maybe the problem isn't the methodology, it's the therapists. We went through a couple of different therapists before we found the ones we really liked. There were a couple that just didn't click with our son. We were blessed to find ones that did click with him before too long. It may take some time to get going, but don't worry and don't give up. Don't let anybody tell you one way is the only way. All our kids are different and each have their own special needs. The hard part is just figuring out how to best meet those needs. -----Original Message-----From: klmitch@... Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:23 PMTo: autism-georgia Subject: Hi to allI'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake or if I somehow overlooked something that may be more benficial to my daughter. I have started an ABA program and as she will do the trials for me, she won't do them for the therapists. It's very rigid, structured, and demanding, alot for a small child almost 3 yrs old. Should I have started out with something else, discrete training, floor time, etc?I don't want her to hate all other people but she just doesn't seem to work with them, any thoughts? Her sessions however brief are monstrous for both of us really. She will not allow the door to be closed and therefore the session starts off on a bad note. I'm also afraid that more structured learning and play would benefit her more. Am I crazy!!! I can't help but think that I've made a mistake, I'm starting to beat myself up for this. Anyone else go through this, does it get better, how do you know if it's just your child being stubborn or if it's the therapist? Feed back - PLEASE!!!!!KAryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 > do you mind if I call you? if not what's your number!!!! Karyn > > Date: 2002/10/07 Mon PM 06:40:53 EDT > To: <autism-georgia > > Subject: Re: > > Hi...it sounds like your program & your therapists are not fun. It has to be fun for the child otherwise we lose them. If the current structure is not working for her, change is needed somewhere. Its hard to say much more as I don't know enough but our sessions are always crazy involving lots of different sensory, creative, rough & tumble, play stuff as well as ABA. If you are using a consultant, he/she needs to become involved with this problem. Annette > > > > Hi to all > I'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake or if I somehow overlooked something that may be more benficial to my daughter. I have started an ABA program and as she will do the trials for me, she won't do them for the therapists. It's very rigid, structured, and demanding, alot for a small child almost 3 yrs old. Should I have started out with something else, discrete training, floor time, etc? > I don't want her to hate all other people but she just doesn't seem to work with them, any thoughts? Her sessions however brief are monstrous for both of us really. She will not allow the door to be closed and therefore the session starts off on a bad note. I'm also afraid that more structured learning and play would benefit her more. Am I crazy!!! I can't help but think that I've made a mistake, I'm starting to beat myself up for this. > Anyone else go through this, does it get better, how do you know if it's just your child being stubborn or if it's the therapist? Feed back - PLEASE!!!!! > > KAryn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 > Not very long, however, the way the ABA is done makes me feel that she'll be scared to death of any person coming into our home as well as she is trying to shut down. My gut tells me that this isn't quite right for her. > > Date: 2002/10/07 Mon PM 05:01:45 EDT > To: <autism-georgia > > Subject: RE: > > I don't think you've made a mistake. It make take some time to find > what works best for your child. Regardless of the method you use, it > will take some time for your daughter to get accustomed to whatever > intervention you decide on (but I think even typical kids take time to > get accustomed to structure, maybe just not as much time). > > That being said, our son has been involved in Floor time therapies for 2 > years now (he's 4.5) and has made great progress. Personally I can't > say enough about that approach. That really is the best approach for > our son. And that is the important thing. Find what works best for > your daughter. How long have you been trying ABA? Maybe the problem > isn't the methodology, it's the therapists. We went through a couple of > different therapists before we found the ones we really liked. There > were a couple that just didn't click with our son. We were blessed to > find ones that did click with him before too long. > > It may take some time to get going, but don't worry and don't give up. > Don't let anybody tell you one way is the only way. All our kids are > different and each have their own special needs. The hard part is just > figuring out how to best meet those needs. > > > > > Hi to all > I'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake or if I somehow overlooked > something that may be more benficial to my daughter. I have started an > ABA program and as she will do the trials for me, she won't do them for > the therapists. It's very rigid, structured, and demanding, alot for a > small child almost 3 yrs old. Should I have started out with something > else, discrete training, floor time, etc? > I don't want her to hate all other people but she just doesn't seem to > work with them, any thoughts? Her sessions however brief are monstrous > for both of us really. She will not allow the door to be closed and > therefore the session starts off on a bad note. I'm also afraid that > more structured learning and play would benefit her more. Am I crazy!!! > I can't help but think that I've made a mistake, I'm starting to beat > myself up for this. > Anyone else go through this, does it get better, how do you know if it's > just your child being stubborn or if it's the therapist? Feed back - > PLEASE!!!!! > > KAryn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Hi...it sounds like your program & your therapists are not fun. It has to be fun for the child otherwise we lose them. If the current structure is not working for her, change is needed somewhere. Its hard to say much more as I don't know enough but our sessions are always crazy involving lots of different sensory, creative, rough & tumble, play stuff as well as ABA. If you are using a consultant, he/she needs to become involved with this problem. Annette Hi to allI'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake or if I somehow overlooked something that may be more benficial to my daughter. I have started an ABA program and as she will do the trials for me, she won't do them for the therapists. It's very rigid, structured, and demanding, alot for a small child almost 3 yrs old. Should I have started out with something else, discrete training, floor time, etc?I don't want her to hate all other people but she just doesn't seem to work with them, any thoughts? Her sessions however brief are monstrous for both of us really. She will not allow the door to be closed and therefore the session starts off on a bad note. I'm also afraid that more structured learning and play would benefit her more. Am I crazy!!! I can't help but think that I've made a mistake, I'm starting to beat myself up for this. Anyone else go through this, does it get better, how do you know if it's just your child being stubborn or if it's the therapist? Feed back - PLEASE!!!!!KAryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Are you more hesitant about the therapist, or about the methodology. If you think it's the therapist, try and find another. If you aren't comfortable with ABA, you might want to look into other methodologies, like Floor time. > > > Hi to all > I'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake or if I somehow overlooked > something that may be more benficial to my daughter. I have started an > ABA program and as she will do the trials for me, she won't do them for > the therapists. It's very rigid, structured, and demanding, alot for a > small child almost 3 yrs old. Should I have started out with something > else, discrete training, floor time, etc? > I don't want her to hate all other people but she just doesn't seem to > work with them, any thoughts? Her sessions however brief are monstrous > for both of us really. She will not allow the door to be closed and > therefore the session starts off on a bad note. I'm also afraid that > more structured learning and play would benefit her more. Am I crazy!!! > I can't help but think that I've made a mistake, I'm starting to beat > myself up for this. > Anyone else go through this, does it get better, how do you know if it's > just your child being stubborn or if it's the therapist? Feed back - > PLEASE!!!!! > > KAryn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 > A little of both. the therapists I can handle, some just aren't cut out for it. The methodoligy is another - it seems to rigid and cold for a 2 year old to want to learn anything. I feel that she may resent people, and become afraid if this is continued. I wonder sometimes if it's not just over-protective momma coming into to play.... > > Date: 2002/10/07 Mon PM 06:47:12 EDT > To: <autism-georgia > > Subject: RE: RE: > > Are you more hesitant about the therapist, or about the methodology. If > you think it's the therapist, try and find another. If you aren't > comfortable with ABA, you might want to look into other methodologies, > like Floor time. > > > > > > > > Hi to all > > I'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake or if I somehow > overlooked > > something that may be more benficial to my daughter. I have started an > > ABA program and as she will do the trials for me, she won't do them > for > > the therapists. It's very rigid, structured, and demanding, alot for a > > small child almost 3 yrs old. Should I have started out with something > > else, discrete training, floor time, etc? > > I don't want her to hate all other people but she just doesn't seem to > > work with them, any thoughts? Her sessions however brief are monstrous > > for both of us really. She will not allow the door to be closed and > > therefore the session starts off on a bad note. I'm also afraid that > > more structured learning and play would benefit her more. Am I > crazy!!! > > I can't help but think that I've made a mistake, I'm starting to beat > > myself up for this. > > Anyone else go through this, does it get better, how do you know if > it's > > just your child being stubborn or if it's the therapist? Feed back - > > PLEASE!!!!! > > > > KAryn > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Hey Karyn, I agree with all the opinions you have gotten but thought I'd tell you about our experience. We started right after my son turned three and used a combination of floor time and ABA. He was resistant to EVERYTHING, even things that other kids thought were fun. It was very hard to find reinforcers. This stage was really hard for me because I was not sure we were doing the right thing and the whole idea of ABA did not fit my parenting style. All I knew was that this method claimed more successes than others and my friend, who was also our consultant, had used it before and I trusted her. She insisted that we would observe each other (we video taped) and give feedback (herself included). This was tough but very helpful. Some people could not hack the structure of ABA and if they still wanted to work with Wil they used the more unstructured floor time. We asked them to reinforce what he was learning through ABA. He cried alot during his therapy but this was not as hard to take when I saw that he really was learning. The first thing we taught were imitations and he was immediately able to use this outside of the therapy room. The next thing was labeling and his use of it in other situations was very dramatic. Then I was convinced we were doing the right thing. Wil continued to be resistant to " work " until the first grade when he started taking medication. Turns out that he had a pretty severe case of ADHD to go with his autism. Now he likes to read and write, is a good student and is very engaged in what is going on around him. He is in a regular third grade class with minimal supports. He was not turned against people because he had some hard times in therapy and I think he would have never learned anything if we had stopped every time he was unhappy. Your child may be more motivated by social interaction and may respond to other types of therapy. It takes alot of fine tuning to find out what works. I think that with very young children it is hard to see the exact nature of their difficulties and we just have to do the best we can as we go along. Sorry this got to be so long but I hope it is helpful. > > Reply-To: autism-georgia > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:23:24 -0400 > To: autism-georgia > Subject: > > Hi to all > I'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake or if I somehow overlooked > something that may be more benficial to my daughter. I have started an ABA > program and as she will do the trials for me, she won't do them for the > therapists. It's very rigid, structured, and demanding, alot for a small child > almost 3 yrs old. Should I have started out with something else, discrete > training, floor time, etc? > I don't want her to hate all other people but she just doesn't seem to work > with them, any thoughts? Her sessions however brief are monstrous for both of > us really. She will not allow the door to be closed and therefore the session > starts off on a bad note. I'm also afraid that more structured learning and > play would benefit her more. Am I crazy!!! I can't help but think that I've > made a mistake, I'm starting to beat myself up for this. > Anyone else go through this, does it get better, how do you know if it's just > your child being stubborn or if it's the therapist? Feed back - PLEASE!!!!! > > KAryn > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 > actually, all replys have been helpful Thanks so much Karyn > > Date: 2002/10/07 Mon PM 10:34:07 EDT > To: <autism-georgia > > Subject: Re: > > Hey Karyn, > > I agree with all the opinions you have gotten but thought I'd tell you about > our experience. We started right after my son turned three and used a > combination of floor time and ABA. He was resistant to EVERYTHING, even > things that other kids thought were fun. It was very hard to find > reinforcers. This stage was really hard for me because I was not sure we > were doing the right thing and the whole idea of ABA did not fit my > parenting style. All I knew was that this method claimed more successes > than others and my friend, who was also our consultant, had used it before > and I trusted her. > > She insisted that we would observe each other (we video taped) and give > feedback (herself included). This was tough but very helpful. Some people > could not hack the structure of ABA and if they still wanted to work with > Wil they used the more unstructured floor time. We asked them to reinforce > what he was learning through ABA. He cried alot during his therapy but this > was not as hard to take when I saw that he really was learning. The first > thing we taught were imitations and he was immediately able to use this > outside of the therapy room. The next thing was labeling and his use of it > in other situations was very dramatic. Then I was convinced we were doing > the right thing. > > Wil continued to be resistant to " work " until the first grade when he > started taking medication. Turns out that he had a pretty severe case of > ADHD to go with his autism. Now he likes to read and write, is a good > student and is very engaged in what is going on around him. He is in a > regular third grade class with minimal supports. He was not turned against > people because he had some hard times in therapy and I think he would have > never learned anything if we had stopped every time he was unhappy. Your > child may be more motivated by social interaction and may respond to other > types of therapy. It takes alot of fine tuning to find out what works. I > think that with very young children it is hard to see the exact nature of > their difficulties and we just have to do the best we can as we go along. > > Sorry this got to be so long but I hope it is helpful. > > > > > > > Reply-To: autism-georgia > > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:23:24 -0400 > > To: autism-georgia > > Subject: > > > > Hi to all > > I'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake or if I somehow overlooked > > something that may be more benficial to my daughter. I have started an ABA > > program and as she will do the trials for me, she won't do them for the > > therapists. It's very rigid, structured, and demanding, alot for a small child > > almost 3 yrs old. Should I have started out with something else, discrete > > training, floor time, etc? > > I don't want her to hate all other people but she just doesn't seem to work > > with them, any thoughts? Her sessions however brief are monstrous for both of > > us really. She will not allow the door to be closed and therefore the session > > starts off on a bad note. I'm also afraid that more structured learning and > > play would benefit her more. Am I crazy!!! I can't help but think that I've > > made a mistake, I'm starting to beat myself up for this. > > Anyone else go through this, does it get better, how do you know if it's just > > your child being stubborn or if it's the therapist? Feed back - PLEASE!!!!! > > > > KAryn > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 It's the KI Summer Conference in Vermont. You can find the link at kushiinstitute.org under their education link, or they might have something on the main page right now too (e.g., link to schedule of presenters). > > > Welcome to: kpakstas > > > she/he says: > > > I want to learn more about macrobiotics, I find it a bit > confusing > > and > > > i want to make sure I do it right! > > > > > > I'm not so sure there is a real right way to do it but if ppl > would > > > wake up here and post more, you may be able to get answers to > some > > > questions. There are some real smarties here. Also, check thru > the > > > archives and see if anything you want to know is there. > > > Please ask away and do tell something about yourself. > > > Peace, > > > Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 I would LOVE to go but can't.......... You'll have to tell me all about it. I want lots of details. Reg > > > > Welcome to: kpakstas > > > > she/he says: > > > > I want to learn more about macrobiotics, I find it a bit > > confusing > > > and > > > > i want to make sure I do it right! > > > > > > > > I'm not so sure there is a real right way to do it but if ppl > > would > > > > wake up here and post more, you may be able to get answers to > > some > > > > questions. There are some real smarties here. Also, check > thru > > the > > > > archives and see if anything you want to know is there. > > > > Please ask away and do tell something about yourself. > > > > Peace, > > > > Reggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 gas and bloating? forget it, I don't want you here cooking for me! Kidding. I'm sorry how frustrating it must be. it's good that you are so aware of your body though. You have been so busy, so much on your plate since you're back: getting adjusted to a different country, living with your boyfriend again, starting up a major thing, really really lots of stuff. Give yourself a break, be super proud of yourself, fix up the gas and come here and cook for me. Hugs, Reg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ilanit- you asked how they knew it was infected. Several people > (2 > > > nurses and 1 doctor) just looked at it and that is what they said. > > > > > > > of course they could be right but you have to be careful with > jumping to > > conclusions - sometimes something is inflammed nut not infected i > am > > finding and sometimes just ittitated which i would class as > inflammation too > > > > > I'm reflecting on all the discussion about kidneys and spleen, and > > > what too much " sweet " flavor creates in the body. Wondering if > that > > > is what has been going on with me? Sometimes lately I have been > > > feeling sooo tired and wonder if there is still something low > grade > > > going on in my body? > > > > > could be. any other symptoms? could just be something else too...I > know > > that doesn't sound very helpful but I am finding often the most > obvious > > things is grapsed at meeically and sometimes it is not correect - > there > > are many explainations to most things. > > Dr yuen says many diagnosis and results are quite wrong > > > > www.yuenmethod.com > > > > Ilanit > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- > ---- > > > > Little Tree Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia (Little Tree). ® > > registered trademark, © copyright 2003. All rights reserved. This > email > > message and attachments may contain information that is > confidential to > > Little Tree. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot use, > > distribute, forward or copy the message or attachments. In such a > case, > > please notify the sender by return email and erase all copies of > the > > message and attachments. The sender of this email message does not > allow > > the recipient to forward this email message or attachments in whole > or > > in part by means of the internet. Opinions, conclusions and other > > information in this message and attachments that do not relate to > the > > official business of Little Ttree are neither given nor endorsed by > it. > > This email message and any attachments are subject to copyright. > > > > > > > > Ms Ilanit Tof > > B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) > > Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods > > PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) > > > > Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts > > Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing > > with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition > > > > ilanit@ <mailto:ilanit@> > > <mailto:ilanit@>www.littletree.com.au > > <http://www.littletree.com.au> > > <http://www.littletree.com.au> <http://www.littletree.com.au> > > <http://www.littletree.com.au> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- --- > ---- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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