Re: A Rededication to the Fire-Stone

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In a message dated 1/1/00 4:42:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, rgh@...

writes:

<<

You may have your little cult of the goddess, Mutt. But don't presume,

don't ever make the mistake of presuming, that it has any worth to anyone

other than the worth you see in it for yourself. Perhaps it is an aid to

your individuative quest. It is certainly not an aid to my own. And if,

perchance, you find this abhorrent to your belief system and you cannot

accept my position, then why don't you have me proclaimed as anathema - and

cast me out of the " circle " .

>>

Hi ,

Where ya been Man? Cast you out? Hardly, folks cast theirself out of here

of their own free will, out of boredom sometimes, which I noted in your

previous posts was one of your biggest complaints, (been there done that,

etc), but its been so long since we've heard from you that I now forget what

all the others might be. Cheryl and some others did ask you to share a story

or two with the folks here but you seem to have ignored them and I even

hinted such to you in my post about the Horned Toad's cousin down under, the

Bearded Dragon or Moloch Horendis if you will recall. As I see it, things

are share and share alike around here, so what is it you've got on your mind

besides disdain for cults of the Goddess whatnot?

BTW Gene Baker, how bout those Texas Christian University Horny Toads beating

our East Carolina University Pirates in college football last week. Pretty

Good game eh? To elucidate your question yesterday, I meant that folks here

should speak their minds on whatever topic has their genuine personal

interest, and not just for the sake of conversation or small talk as it were.

Let me know when your Tequila bottle gets empty, I'm still nursing the one I

got at the Puppy trucker gathering before we came here to this new place.

Slow and easy for sure!

Happy New Year everyone

The Mutt

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Hi again Heyward and Jung-Fire friends,

Dan'l Boone one said, I've never been lost, a might bewildered maybe but

never lost. But then he may have been exagerating just a little.. Ha! We

like tall tales around here, the longer you stall pal the bigger it will

eventually have to be. Hope to hear from you soon.

Dail

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Well Mr. Mutt ...speak for yourself and please mind your overly presumptuous

use of *we*. Tall tales indeed!!

My only question to the group about this group here:

has it become a clique or a cliché?

Mrmailmut@... wrote:

> From: Mrmailmut@...

>

> Hi again Heyward and Jung-Fire friends,

>

> Dan'l Boone one said, I've never been lost, a might bewildered maybe but

> never lost. But then he may have been exagerating just a little.. Ha! We

> like tall tales around here, the longer you stall pal the bigger it will

> eventually have to be. Hope to hear from you soon.

>

> Dail

>

> >

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At 08:47 1/01/00 EST, you wrote:

>From: Mrmailmut@...

>Hi ,

>

>Where ya been Man? Cast you out? Hardly, folks cast theirself out of here

>of their own free will, out of boredom sometimes, which I noted in your

>previous posts was one of your biggest complaints, (been there done that,

>etc), but its been so long since we've heard from you that I now forget what

>all the others might be.

Well, in all the (9) posts I originally made to this list, I never once

mentioned boredom. Nor indeed did I complain about anything. Perhaps you

have a poor memory, or just a highly creative one.

>Cheryl and some others did ask you to share a story

>or two with the folks here but you seem to have ignored them and I even

>hinted such to you in my post about the Horned Toad's cousin down under, the

>Bearded Dragon or Moloch Horendis if you will recall. As I see it, things

>are share and share alike around here, so what is it you've got on your mind

>besides disdain for cults of the Goddess whatnot?

LOL! All things considered, I think it will be best if I keep my stories

for others. I am " getting lost " you see. Which is precisely what you asked

me to do in your first post. It has just taken a little time for me to get

the sense of things around here and to recognise the value of that initial

suggestion.

By the way - thankyou for your extraordinarily intelligent and in-depth

reply to my post. It shows most eloquently why I need say nothing further

on the subject.

rgh

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Dear Mutt,

Thank you for your input on this JUNG-FIRE list where we really have been

having to deal with problematics... You speak so eloquently, as well as

delight my " funny bone " ... I'm so grateful you hang in there and keep on

keeping on!! Jungian matters are of highest value to me and that seems to

be unlimited in interests and concerns.

Love and blessings... Happy New Endings and Beginings...

Roselma

Re: A Rededication to the Fire-Stone

>From: Mrmailmut@...

>

>Greetings Jung-Fire,

>

>I do not follow anyone, I do not even follow Jung. Jung is gone. But he

did

>leave a legacy, and a number of tools. Anyone who wishes to use those

tools

>effectively will have to let go of his coattails first, and use both hands.

>Honor Jung by doing just that! The legacy of Jung has changed over the

years

>in as much as the world has changed in which he left. Many of the ideas

and

>dreams and speculations he believed in have already become tangible

>realities. They can be trusted steps. Jung was a prospector of the human

>psyche, cleaning out the rubble of centuries of decayed ideals of former

>perceptions of the human condition, removing the motes from our eyes so

that

>we could see effectively. He was not the first to do this nor will he be

the

>last. Anyone who is a part of this legacy can do likewise.

>

>Jung's legacy has undergone many transformations. The one that brought us

>all together originally, was Maureen 's vision of the legacy as The

>Wounded Healer. This vision was her own personal and individual task

>required of the Great Work of Alchemy of old. She both began and completed

>that task fully at Jungcircle. But this is only a part of the Great Work.

>After the individual effort has been made comes the collective. To those

who

>have not yet completed all the requirements of their own individual tasks

to

>this work, this place may be of some help to you, but it will not and

cannot

>do your own work for you. If you think otherwise, you will undoubtedly

fail.

>

>

>You will burn out, become dissillusioned, cynical and broken. That has

>already occurred to some here of late. But know this fully. It was not

this

>place and collective which did this to you. Anyone who thinks they can buy

>their way into this collective will become penniless paupers. Anyone who

>thinks all it holds is just a bunch of Sour Grapes, is discouraged by their

>own lack of effort to attain what it holds in Trust. I follow the New

legacy

>of the Fire-Stone and all that it represents and all of its various

>manifestations, both Good, Bad, and Ugly. I also honor the appointed

Keeper

>of it, and trust the wisdom it confers on Her. Only those who do likewise

>will be able to continue the journey beyond this point. If there is a

>difficulty in managing the collective needs of those who wish to continue,

>they will have to be discussed and arranged as soon as possible to prevent

>further damage here. This burden must be shared fully and equally to

prevent

>this sort of thing from happening again. Is that acceptible to everyone.

If

>not, then we might as well all pack up and leave right now.

>

>Love and Best wishes to all now present and also to those who have already

>left.

> W. Dail

>

>

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Lissa

You say:

>My only question to the group about this group here:

>>has it become a clique or a cliché?

*Is this a QUESTION (as in 'HAS it become a clique or a cliché') or a

choice between two predetermined alternatives (as in 'has it become a

CLIQUE or has it become a CLICHE')?

As to an answer, if you mean the first, I would say: it will become

whatever we are capable of making it.

If it's the second you mean, I would say: it has become whatever it seems

to each and everyone, but nothing in any absolute sense... It still

contains (in my view and the view of some of the rest of us) much

potential... However, I grant you, cliques and clichés are by no means

excluded.

What would YOU like it to be?

m

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Hi, Mutt,

In a message dated 00-01-01 08:48:05 EST, you write:

<<

BTW Gene Baker, how bout those Texas Christian University Horny Toads

beating

our East Carolina University Pirates in college football last week. Pretty

Good game eh? To elucidate your question yesterday, I meant that folks here

should speak their minds on whatever topic has their genuine personal

interest, and not just for the sake of conversation or small talk as it

were.

Let me know when your Tequila bottle gets empty, I'm still nursing the one

I

got at the Puppy trucker gathering before we came here to this new place.

Slow and easy for sure!

>>

Everybody seems to have seen the game but me. I think I was still catching

up on my sleep. I don't remember asking a question, but maybe it was the

quava jelly. Would you repeat it for me? Sounds like a good one.

I did turn on the t-v to catch some of the world celebration, and there

really was a feeling of community there. I was watching ABC, and caught the

Eiffel Tower fireworks show. I must say that I have never seen anything as

spectacular, so it must have been a tremendous experience to have been there.

I wouldn't have been surprised if the Eiffel had taken off for Mars. It

would undoubtedl have made a better landing than NASA.

Will this be the century in which Jung will be given long shrift? After all,

we will be looking forward rather than backward now- Jung prospects even as

Freud regresses.

Speaking of puppy truckers or is is yuppy truckers, at Texas Stadium they're

letting people barbecue off their pick-em-ups again. I have some parishoners

that went out after church and did just that- partied all afternoon with all

the other folks out there. Now, that's the part I like. I would have

skipped the Cowboys game.

After all the preparations for Y-2-K I made, on Saturday morning my computer

declared it was June 1, 1980.

'Nuff this personal stuff.

Gene Baker

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Hi Gene:

<<Will this be the century in which Jung will be given long shrift?

After all, we will be looking forward rather than backward now- Jung

prospects even as Freud regresses.>>

I flicked on the tv for a brief moment and caught one of those

think-tank, talking head shows this afternoon on this very topic.

Freud, according to these pundits is a has-been, since chemistry and

pharmaceuticals can now be used to control the unconscious.

Seems that Jung and Jungians will come into prominence by using the

concept of the collective unconscious as a means for explaining to the

world the phenomenon of the INTERNET!!

Nice to hear Jung talked about in mainstream tv-land other than as a

mystic.

Regards,

Frances