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I've never had this situation but would think a new COB goes with a new entitlement, and since dialysis came while she was still in the entitlement period, no new entitlement = no new COB.

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-----Original Message-----From: TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]On Behalf Of Felecia Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:42 AMTo: TxFinancialCoordinators Subject: Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a patient that received a kidney transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis 9/13/05. The dialysis social worker states her COB starts over because her transplant was successful for 3 yrs and a 1 day, however I was under the impression the patient would have to complete the entire month in order for her to get a new COB.

Any feed back would be appreciated.

Felecia Transplant Financial CoordinatorSaint 's Health Care-Transplant ProgramGrand Rapids, MI 49503PH Fax#

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I always thought entitlement was 36 months from discharge, so would need discharge date. If after 13th, which is probably was then is still in original entitlement period.

susan

From: TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of on, :LPH TrnsplntSent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:44 PMTo: TxFinancialCoordinators Subject: RE: Medicare COB Issue

I've never had this situation but would think a new COB goes with a new entitlement, and since dialysis came while she was still in the entitlement period, no new entitlement = no new COB.

on Financial Counselor Legacy Transplant Services 1040 NW 22nd Ave Ste 480 Portland OR 97210 toll free fax lmorrisolhs (DOT) org

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." FDR

-----Original Message-----From: TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]On Behalf Of Felecia Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:42 AMTo: TxFinancialCoordinators Subject: Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a patient that received a kidney transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis 9/13/05. The dialysis social worker states her COB starts over because her transplant was successful for 3 yrs and a 1 day, however I was under the impression the patient would have to complete the entire month in order for her to get a new COB.

Any feed back would be appreciated.

Felecia Transplant Financial CoordinatorSaint 's Health Care-Transplant ProgramGrand Rapids, MI 49503PH Fax#

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I believe the regs state that the 36-month

period ends 36 months from the month of the transplant discharge. It does not

go from the actual date of the discharge.

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of , Stoops

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:51 AM

To: TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I always thought

entitlement was 36 months from discharge, so would need discharge date. If

after 13th, which is probably was then is still in original entitlement

period.

susan

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

On Behalf Of on, :LPH

Trnsplnt

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:44

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I've never had

this situation but would think a new COB goes with a new entitlement, and

since dialysis came while she was still in the entitlement period, no new

entitlement = no new COB.

on

Financial Counselor

Legacy Transplant Services

1040 NW 22nd Ave Ste 480

Portland OR 97210

toll free

fax

lmorriso@...

" The

test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who

have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too

little. " FDR

-----Original

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From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]On Behalf Of Felecia

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:42 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject:

Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some

clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a patient that received a kidney

transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis 9/13/05. The dialysis social worker

states her COB starts over because her transplant was successful for 3 yrs and

a 1 day, however I was under the impression the patient would have to complete

the entire month in order for her to get a new COB.

Any feed back

would be appreciated.

Felecia

Transplant Financial Coordinator

Saint 's Health Care-Transplant Program

Grand Rapids, MI 49503

PH

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The regs state” The last day of the

36th month after the month the person receives a kidney transplant.”

So if the patient receives a kidney transplant 09/02, the 36 months start 10/02

and end 09/30/05. The patient should be Medicare primary since patient is

Medicare primary at the time patient reinitiated dialysis.

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:24

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I believe the regs state that the 36-month

period ends 36 months from the month of the transplant discharge. It does

not go from the actual date of the discharge.

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of , Stoops

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:51 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I always thought

entitlement was 36 months from discharge, so would need discharge date. If

after 13th, which is probably was then is still in original entitlement

period.

susan

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of on, :LPH Trnsplnt

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:44

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I've never had

this situation but would think a new COB goes with a new entitlement, and

since dialysis came while she was still in the entitlement period, no new

entitlement = no new COB.

on

Financial Counselor

Legacy Transplant Services

1040 NW 22nd Ave

Ste 480

Portland OR 97210

toll free

fax

lmorriso@...

" The

test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who

have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too

little. " FDR

Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some

clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a patient that received a kidney

transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis 9/13/05. The dialysis social worker

states her COB starts over because her transplant was successful for 3 yrs and

a 1 day, however I was under the impression the patient would have to complete

the entire month in order for her to get a new COB.

Any feed back

would be appreciated.

Felecia

Transplant Financial Coordinator

Saint 's Health Care-Transplant Program

Grand Rapids, MI 49503

PH

Fax#

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Do you know where I can find those regs.>>> Austria@... 05/01/2006 1:57 PM >>>

The regs state” The last day of the 36th month after the month the person receives a kidney transplant.” So if the patient receives a kidney transplant 09/02, the 36 months start 10/02 and end 09/30/05. The patient should be Medicare primary since patient is Medicare primary at the time patient reinitiated dialysis.

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From: TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:24 PMTo: TxFinancialCoordinators Subject: RE: Medicare COB Issue

I believe the regs state that the 36-month period ends 36 months from the month of the transplant discharge. It does not go from the actual date of the discharge.

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

, , F-

From: TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of , StoopsSent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:51 AMTo: TxFinancialCoordinators Subject: RE: Medicare COB Issue

I always thought entitlement was 36 months from discharge, so would need discharge date. If after 13th, which is probably was then is still in original entitlement period.

susan

From: TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of on, :LPH TrnsplntSent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:44 PMTo: TxFinancialCoordinators Subject: RE: Medicare COB Issue

I've never had this situation but would think a new COB goes with a new entitlement, and since dialysis came while she was still in the entitlement period, no new entitlement = no new COB.

on Financial Counselor Legacy Transplant Services 1040 NW 22nd Ave Ste 480 Portland OR 97210 toll free fax lmorriso@...

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." FDR

-----Original Message-----From: TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]On Behalf Of Felecia Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:42 AMTo: TxFinancialCoordinators Subject: Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a patient that received a kidney transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis 9/13/05. The dialysis social worker states her COB starts over because her transplant was successful for 3 yrs and a 1 day, however I was under the impression the patient would have to complete the entire month in order for her to get a new COB.

Any feed back would be appreciated.

Felecia Transplant Financial CoordinatorSaint 's Health Care-Transplant ProgramGrand Rapids, MI 49503PH Fax#

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This communication, including any attachment, contains information that may be confidential or privileged, and is intended solely for the entity or individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you should contact the sender and delete the message. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message is strictly prohibited. Nothing in this email, including any attachment, is intended to be a legally binding signature.

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I have never seen any language like that

either. Where is that exact wording??

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of Felecia

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:59

AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

Do you know where

I can find those regs.

>>> Austria@... 05/01/2006 1:57 PM >>>

The regs state” The last day of the

36th month after the month the person receives a kidney

transplant.” So if the patient receives a kidney transplant 09/02, the 36

months start 10/02 and end 09/30/05. The patient should be Medicare primary

since patient is Medicare primary at the time patient reinitiated dialysis.

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley

Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:24

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I believe the regs state that the 36-month

period ends 36 months from the month of the transplant discharge. It does

not go from the actual date of the discharge.

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

On Behalf Of , Stoops

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:51 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I always thought entitlement was 36 months from discharge, so would

need discharge date. If after 13th, which is probably was then is still in

original entitlement period.

susan

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of on, :LPH Trnsplnt

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:44

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I've never had this situation but would think a new COB goes

with a new entitlement, and since dialysis came while she was still in the

entitlement period, no new entitlement = no new COB.

on

Financial Counselor

Legacy Transplant Services

1040 NW 22nd Ave Ste 480

Portland OR 97210

toll free

fax

lmorriso@...

" The test of our progress is not whether we

add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide

enough for those who have too little. " FDR

-----Original

Message-----

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]On Behalf Of Felecia

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:42 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject:

Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a

patient that received a kidney transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis

9/13/05. The dialysis social worker states her COB starts over because her

transplant was successful for 3 yrs and a 1 day, however I was under the

impression the patient would have to complete the entire month in order for her

to get a new COB.

Any feed back would be appreciated.

Felecia

Transplant Financial Coordinator

Saint 's Health Care-Transplant Program

Grand Rapids, MI 49503

PH

Fax#

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This communication, including any attachment, contains information

that may be confidential or privileged, and is intended solely for the entity or

individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you

should contact the sender and delete the message. Any unauthorized disclosure,

copying, or distribution of this message is strictly prohibited. Nothing in

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signature.

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I got it from the Medicare Manual under

Medicare General Information, eligibility and entitlement. End of Coverage Based

on ESRD. http://www.cms.hhs.gov/manuals/

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:59

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

Do you know where

I can find those regs.

>>> Austria@... 05/01/2006 1:57 PM >>>

The regs state” The last day of the

36th month after the month the person receives a kidney

transplant.” So if the patient receives a kidney transplant 09/02, the 36

months start 10/02 and end 09/30/05. The patient should be Medicare primary

since patient is Medicare primary at the time patient reinitiated dialysis.

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:24

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I believe the regs state that the 36-month

period ends 36 months from the month of the transplant discharge. It does

not go from the actual date of the discharge.

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of , Stoops

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:51 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I always thought entitlement was 36 months from discharge, so

would need discharge date. If after 13th, which is probably was then is still

in original entitlement period.

susan

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of on, :LPH Trnsplnt

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:44

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I've never had this situation but would think a new COB goes

with a new entitlement, and since dialysis came while she was still in the

entitlement period, no new entitlement = no new COB.

on

Financial Counselor

Legacy Transplant Services

1040 NW 22nd Ave Ste 480

Portland OR 97210

toll free

fax

lmorriso@...

" The test of our progress is not whether we

add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide

enough for those who have too little. " FDR

-----Original

Message-----

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]On Behalf Of Felecia

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:42 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject:

Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a

patient that received a kidney transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis

9/13/05. The dialysis social worker states her COB starts over because her

transplant was successful for 3 yrs and a 1 day, however I was under the

impression the patient would have to complete the entire month in order for her

to get a new COB.

Any feed back would be appreciated.

Felecia

Transplant Financial Coordinator

Saint 's Health Care-Transplant Program

Grand Rapids, MI 49503

PH

Fax#

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Fred, that is the exact wording from the

Medicare Manual. End of Coverage Based on ESRD.

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:08 PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I have never seen any language like that

either. Where is that exact wording??

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From: TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of Felecia

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:59

AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

Do you know where

I can find those regs.

>>> Austria@... 05/01/2006 1:57 PM >>>

The regs state” The last day of the

36th month after the month the person receives a kidney

transplant.” So if the patient receives a kidney transplant 09/02, the 36

months start 10/02 and end 09/30/05. The patient should be Medicare primary

since patient is Medicare primary at the time patient reinitiated dialysis.

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:24

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I believe the regs state that the 36-month

period ends 36 months from the month of the transplant discharge. It does

not go from the actual date of the discharge.

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of , Stoops

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:51 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I always thought entitlement was 36 months from discharge, so

would need discharge date. If after 13th, which is probably was then is still

in original entitlement period.

susan

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of on, :LPH Trnsplnt

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:44

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I've never had this situation but would think a new COB goes

with a new entitlement, and since dialysis came while she was still in the

entitlement period, no new entitlement = no new COB.

on

Financial Counselor

Legacy Transplant Services

1040 NW 22nd Ave Ste 480

Portland OR 97210

toll free

fax

lmorriso@...

" The test of our progress is not whether we

add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide

enough for those who have too little. " FDR

-----Original

Message-----

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]On Behalf Of Felecia

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:42 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject:

Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a

patient that received a kidney transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis 9/13/05.

The dialysis social worker states her COB starts over because her transplant

was successful for 3 yrs and a 1 day, however I was under the impression the

patient would have to complete the entire month in order for her to get a new

COB.

Any feed back would be appreciated.

Felecia

Transplant Financial Coordinator

Saint 's Health Care-Transplant Program

Grand Rapids, MI 49503

PH

Fax#

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or individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient,

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Here is Section 226A to which I was referring:   ( My bolding )

SPECIAL PROVISIONS

RELATING TO COVERAGE UNDER MEDICARE PROGRAM FOR END STAGE RENAL DISEASE

SEC. 226A. [42 U.S.C.

426-1] (a) Notwithstanding any provision to the

contrary in section 226

or title XVIII, every individual who—

(1)(A) is fully or

currently insured (as such terms are defined in section 214), or would be

fully or currently insured if (i) his service as an employee (as defined in the

Railroad Retirement Act of 1974[225])

after December 31, 1936, were included within the meaning of the term

“employment” for purposes of this title, and (ii) his Medicare

qualified government employment (as defined in section 210(p)) were

included within the meaning of the term “employment” for purposes

of this title;

(B)(i) is entitled to monthly

insurance benefits under this title, (ii) is entitled to an annuity under the

Railroad Retirement Act of 1974, or (iii) would be entitled to a monthly

insurance benefit under this title if Medicare qualified government employment

(as defined in section 210(p)) were

included within the meaning of the term “employment” for purposes

of this title; or

© is the spouse or dependent child

(as defined in regulations) of an individual described in subparagraph (A) or

(B);

(2) is medically determined to have

end stage renal disease; and

(3) has filed an application for

benefits under this section;

shall, in accordance with the succeeding provisions of this section, be

entitled to benefits under part A and eligible to enroll under part B of title

XVIII, subject to the deductible, premium, and coinsurance provisions of that

title.

(B) Subject to subsection ©, entitlement of an

individual to benefits under part A and eligibility to enroll under part B of

title XVIII by reasons of this section on the

basis of end stage renal disease—

(1) shall begin with—

(A) the third month after the month

in which a regular course of renal dialysis is initiated, or

(B) the month in which such

individual receives a kidney transplant, or (if earlier) the first month in

which such individual is admitted as an inpatient to an institution which is a

hospital meeting the requirements of section 1861(e) (and

such additional requirements as the Secretary may prescribe under section 1881(B) for such

institutions) in preparation for or anticipation of kidney transplantation, but

only if such transplantation occurs in that month or in either of the next two

months,

whichever first occurs (but no earlier than one year

preceding the month of the filing of an application for benefits under this

section); and

(2) shall end, in the case of an individual who receives

a kidney transplant, with the thirty-sixth month after the month in

which such individual receives such transplant or, in the case of an

individual who has not received a kidney transplant and no longer requires a

regular course of dialysis, with the twelfth month after the month in which

such course of dialysis is terminated.

© Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (B)

(1) in the case of any individual

who participates in a self-care dialysis training program prior to the third

month after the month in which such individual initiates a regular course of

renal dialysis in a renal dialysis facility or provider of services meeting the

requirements of section 1881(B),

entitlement to benefits under part A and eligibility to enroll under part B of

title XVIII shall begin with the month in which such regular course of renal

dialysis is initiated;

(2) in any case in which a kidney

transplant fails (whether during or after the thirty-six-month period specified

in subsection (B)(2)) and as a result the individual who received such

transplant initiates or resumes a regular course of renal dialysis, entitlement

to benefits under part A and eligibility to enroll under part B of title XVIII

shall begin with the month in which such course is initiated or resumed; and

(3) in any case in which a regular

course of renal dialysis is resumed subsequent to the termination of an earlier

course, entitlement to benefits under part A and eligibility to enroll under

part B of title XVIII shall begin with the month in which such regular course

of renal dialysis is resumed.

©[226]

For purposes of this section, each person

whose monthly insurance benefit for any month is terminated or is otherwise not payable solely by

reason of paragraph (1) or (7) of section 225© shall be treated as entitled to such benefit for such

month.

[225]

P.L. 75-162 [as amended by P.L. 93-445].

[226]

As in original. P.L. 103-296, §201(a)(3)(D)(ii), added a second subsection ©.

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

On Behalf Of Austria,

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:24

AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

Fred, that is the exact wording from

the Medicare Manual. End of Coverage Based on ESRD.

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley

Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:08 PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I have never seen any language like that either.

Where is that exact wording??

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators [mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

On Behalf Of Felecia

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:59

AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

Do you know where

I can find those regs.

>>> Austria@... 05/01/2006 1:57 PM >>>

The regs state” The last day of the

36th month after the month the person receives a kidney

transplant.” So if the patient receives a kidney transplant 09/02, the 36

months start 10/02 and end 09/30/05. The patient should be Medicare primary

since patient is Medicare primary at the time patient reinitiated dialysis.

Austria

Specialty Contracting

Methodist Health System

1441 North Beckley

Avenue

Dallas,Texas 75203

Phone:

Fax:

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:24

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I believe the regs state that the 36-month

period ends 36 months from the month of the transplant discharge. It does

not go from the actual date of the discharge.

Fred L. Forsthoffer, MBA

Financial Analyst

Banner Good Samaritan Transplant Services

,

, F-

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of , Stoops

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:51 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I always thought entitlement was 36 months from discharge, so

would need discharge date. If after 13th, which is probably was then is still

in original entitlement period.

susan

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ] On Behalf Of on, :LPH Trnsplnt

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:44

PM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject: RE:

Medicare COB Issue

I've never had this situation but would think a new COB goes

with a new entitlement, and since dialysis came while she was still in the

entitlement period, no new entitlement = no new COB.

on

Financial Counselor

Legacy Transplant Services

1040 NW 22nd Ave Ste 480

Portland OR 97210

toll free

fax

lmorriso@...

" The test of our progress is not whether we

add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide

enough for those who have too little. " FDR

-----Original

Message-----

From:

TxFinancialCoordinators

[mailto:TxFinancialCoordinators ]On Behalf Of Felecia

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:42 AM

To:

TxFinancialCoordinators

Subject:

Medicare COB Issue

Good morning all,

I need some clarification on Medicare coverage.....I have a patient

that received a kidney transplant 9/9/02 and returned to dialysis 9/13/05. The

dialysis social worker states her COB starts over because her transplant was

successful for 3 yrs and a 1 day, however I was under the impression the

patient would have to complete the entire month in order for her to get a new

COB.

Any feed back would be appreciated.

Felecia

Transplant Financial Coordinator

Saint 's Health Care-Transplant Program

Grand Rapids, MI 49503

PH

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