Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 West’s book, “The Good News about Sex and Marriage,” does a wonderful job, IMO, in explaining Church teaching on sexual morality and the logic behind it. Perhaps you could get them a copy of that book and suggest they read and discuss it as a couple. Diane Royal From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Katy Barbieri Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:37 PM To: nfpprofessionals Subject: ART help I am currently working with an Catholic infertile couple who is also seeing a fertility specialist. They are very seriously considering doing in vitro fertilitzation if they are not successful in conceiving. I am wondering if there are any words of wisdom out there to help me communicate with them regarding IVF. I have given them a document I found from the USCCB and briefly discussed Catholic teaching. They are practicing Catholics and seem fairly grounded in their faith. Thank you. Katy Barbieri RN, FCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Is it a NaPro infertility specialist? I would suggest they go there first, and emphasize that a NaPro doctor will be able to do more for them than a traditional “fertility specialist”. ART help I am currently working with an Catholic infertile couple who is also seeing a fertility specialist. They are very seriously considering doing in vitro fertilitzation if they are not successful in conceiving. I am wondering if there are any words of wisdom out there to help me communicate with them regarding IVF. I have given them a document I found from the USCCB and briefly discussed Catholic teaching. They are practicing Catholics and seem fairly grounded in their faith. Thank you. Katy Barbieri RN, FCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Donum vitae and Evangelium vitae are good places to start looking. Hanna Klaus, M.D. Natural Family Planning Center of Wash. D.C. and Teen STAR Program 8514 Bradmoor Drive Bethesda, MD 20817-3810 Tel. , ® hannaklaus@..., hklaus@... http://www.teenstarprogram.org ART help I am currently working with an Catholic infertile couple who is also seeing a fertility specialist. They are very seriously considering doing in vitro fertilization if they are not successful in conceiving. I am wondering if there are any words of wisdom out there to help me communicate with them regarding IVF. I have given them a document I found from the USCCB and briefly discussed Catholic teaching. They are practicing Catholics and seem fairly grounded in their faith. Thank you. Katy Barbie RN, CPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Our Family Life director, Steve Bozza, has written a very good manual for couples dealing with infertility: "Begotten, Not Made: Pastoral Care for Couples Experiencing Infertility." The 3 main sections of the manual are - - Issues of the heart - Issues of love and life - Making decisions It is available from the Family Life Institute: www.familylifeinstitute.org. Go to the "Products" section. Also, the couple can call Steve (he is at a conference this week, but will be in on Monday); he may be able to help them sort through the issues. His phone # is . Ann Chezik Office of Family Life/Respect Life Diocese of Camden (NJ) -----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ]On Behalf Of Katy BarbieriSent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:37 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: ART help I am currently working with an Catholic infertile couple who is also seeing a fertility specialist. They are very seriously considering doing in vitro fertilitzation if they are not successful in conceiving. I am wondering if there are any words of wisdom out there to help me communicate with them regarding IVF. I have given them a document I found from the USCCB and briefly discussed Catholic teaching. They are practicing Catholics and seem fairly grounded in their faith. Thank you. Katy Barbieri RN, FCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Katy, I moderate a discussion list for Catholic women going through infertility... many of the women on the group are seeing Creighton physicians or working with their own fertility specialists within the teachings of the church. If the woman is interested in support, information & discussion on reproductive issues, & prayers for the future, she is welcome to join. The group is Catholic-Fertility through yahoogroups. Maybe it would help her to hear from other women who are actually following the teachings of the church. -----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Katy BarbieriSent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:37 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: ART help I am currently working with an Catholic infertile couple who is also seeing a fertility specialist. They are very seriously considering doing in vitro fertilitzation if they are not successful in conceiving. I am wondering if there are any words of wisdom out there to help me communicate with them regarding IVF. I have given them a document I found from the USCCB and briefly discussed Catholic teaching. They are practicing Catholics and seem fairly grounded in their faith. Thank you. Katy Barbieri RN, FCP .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I am currently working with an Catholic infertile couple who is also seeing a fertility specialist. They are very seriously considering doing in vitro fertilitzation if they are not successful in conceiving. I am wondering if there are any words of wisdom out there to help me communicate with them regarding IVF. I have given them a document I found from the USCCB and briefly discussed Catholic teaching. They are practicing Catholics and seem fairly grounded in their faith. Thank you. Katy Barbieri RN, FCP The issue with most fertility specialists, I am sorry to say, is that IVF is offered as the "best chance of conceiving" without ever making a proper diagnosis as to why the couple is infertile. While it is true that some causes of fertility cannot be remedied without resorting to immoral acts, most are correctable. The exceptions are irreversible damage or congenital absence of the uterus/tubes, and lack of sperm or eggs. Leaving the theology to more qualified members of the list, we, as NFP experts, are in a unique position to help infertile couples by demonstrating whether ovulatory dysfunction is part of the picture. A couple which does not conceive within 3 fertile cycles has a problem which demands diagnosis. The conventional approach requires 12 months of "failure." I am prepared to offer urinary ovarian monitoring to anyone on the list who is having difficulty discerning what is going on hormonally with clients. Daily serum monitoring is not only invasive to the point that rising cortisol levels interfere with ovulation, but is also prohibitively expensive. Urinary metabolites are 1000 times more concentrated than saliva or serum. Since this documents the actual ovarian production over the course of the cycle, and not a "spot check" as peak-plus levels are, there is diagnostic significance. The cost is $150 for 28 assays, prorated for fewer, or additional tests. Urine samples are Fed-Exed in weekly batches and results are available via email on an Excel spreadsheet. One does not have to be a Billings Method advocate. The science is available for all. If interested, please email me off-list, or contact my office at (405)733-4985 and ask for my nurses. W. , M.D.,FACOG Oklahoma City, OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 I have been asked by several of you for more information on the Ovarian Hormone Monitoring service. Because Brown's Ovarian Hormone Monitor quantitatively measures the actual ovarian production of hormones on a daily basis over the course of a "cycle," it is valuable in diagnosing anovulation, poor follicular development and deficient luteal phases as well as correlating the physical signs and symptoms of fertility/infertility for those women who are having difficulty achieving or avoiding pregnancy. As a diagnostician, I get clues not only from the charts but the actual hormonal pattern. For instance, PCOS, endometriosis and hypothyroidism result in high estradiol states. High prolactin levels, low body mass, and premature ovarian failure, for instance, result in low estradiol states. ly, monitoring correlates perfectly with correct charting, but the OHM is a great tool for those who don't have "enlightened" physicians available, or for nervous clients who are just learning NFP. It also has proven research value. M , M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Thanks, Father. So did the move go smoothly? went to Lake Texoma with friends from work this weekend. If you are up for dinner out, I don't have plans and would be happy to meet you somewhere. I was hoping the Sooner Catholic article might stir some interest in infertility. Perhaps they are waiting for the meeting at the Diocesan center on July 25. Posting the offer on the npf listserv has generated some interest, however. I am putting my house back together after the floor refinishing and the kitchen remodel. I still have a few boxes to unpack and a lot of bills to pay! Hope to see you soon, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Dear : Nice going! Hope all is well. Fr. M --Natural Family Planning Outreach 3366 NW Expressway Bldg. D, Suite 630 Oklahoma City, OK 73112 Director: Rev. McCaffrey, STD Assistant Directors: Rev. Hogan, PhD Rev. Habiger, OSB, PhD nfpoutreach@... www.nfpoutreach.org -------------- Original message from obdoc2000@...: -------------- I have been asked by several of you for more information on the Ovarian Hormone Monitoring service. Because Brown's Ovarian Hormone Monitor quantitatively measures the actual ovarian production of hormones on a daily basis over the course of a "cycle," it is valuable in diagnosing anovulation, poor follicular development and deficient luteal phases as well as correlating the physical signs and symptoms of fertility/infertility for those women who are having difficulty achieving or avoiding pregnancy. As a diagnostician, I get clues not only from the charts but the actual hormonal pattern. For instance, PCOS, endometriosis and hypothyroidism result in high estradiol states. High prolactin levels, low body mass, and premature ovarian failure, for instance, result in low estradiol states. ly, monitoring correlates perfectly with correct charting, but the OHM is a great tool for those who don't have "enlightened" physicians available, or for nervous clients who are just learning NFP. It also has proven research value. M , M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Dear : The "Sooner" interview was great. Stella would like to put it on our website. Hope it will be possible, but there are always complications, as you know. Will pass on this weekend. Perhaps during the week, if you can fit it in. Thanks for the wonderful work you are doing in Our Lord's service. Fr. M --Natural Family Planning Outreach 3366 NW Expressway Bldg. D, Suite 630 Oklahoma City, OK 73112 Director: Rev. McCaffrey, STD Assistant Directors: Rev. Hogan, PhD Rev. Habiger, OSB, PhD nfpoutreach@... www.nfpoutreach.org -------------- Original message from obdoc2000@...: -------------- Thanks, Father. So did the move go smoothly? went to Lake Texoma with friends from work this weekend. If you are up for dinner out, I don't have plans and would be happy to meet you somewhere. I was hoping the Sooner Catholic article might stir some interest in infertility. Perhaps they are waiting for the meeting at the Diocesan center on July 25. Posting the offer on the npf listserv has generated some interest, however. I am putting my house back together after the floor refinishing and the kitchen remodel. I still have a few boxes to unpack and a lot of bills to pay! Hope to see you soon, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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