Re: Re: How can I know?

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Replying to the masses.......I came home tonight and my man wasn't here yet and

I saw pics of he and his ex-fiance ( i am current fiance) and his " best friend "

Jillian is naked, raunchy positions...the 3 of them in an ecstacy world.....This

put me in an uncomfortable spot. I know this is irrational, and this is his past

and not a part pf me and us.....however----i made this about me. PLEASE GET ME

OUT OF THIS PLACE.........So, I said, I am going to hang out with the girls

tonight and I way tryig so hard to not personalize this, he said where are you?

You are in a weird place? I said---ok, I am going to tell you what I saw...I

told him and he laughed and said---yeah, that was fun!---oh my heart, I was

trying to not make my feelings his....and just be honest about why my irrational

feelings were affecting my behavior, and this is what he said...he laughed and

said that was fun......Help me to do the work on this....help ME!!!!!!!!

M.

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Dear ,

I was never good in arguing feelings away. Explaining for myself why I had

these feelings didn't help very much, either.

The thoughts I apply your story to are:

He should (only) have fun with ME! (for me it was painful to see her having

fun with her lover.)

He should (only) love ME! (Another thought that came along with her affair

was: she doesn't love me.)

Do you know her? What do you think of her? Make a list.

( I made a list of her, her lover, and those friends of hers who approved of

her having an affair. And about people interfering into committed relationships,

or families with kids.)

I also had the thought that he was abusing her (he told her, that he did not

want a relationship with her) - but that doesn't seem to apply to your

situation.

And I did a work about " she should not do that " - as in: it were much better

for our paths, if she did not leave me. I have this picture of two old people

who look at the sunset together that brings me a lot of comfort - when I am in

the dream.

If you want to do the work via chat or phone, you can contact me privately and

we will make something out.

Blessings,

" M. " schrieb:

Replying to the masses.......I came home tonight and my man wasn't here yet

and I saw pics of he and his ex-fiance ( i am current fiance) and his " best

friend " Jillian is naked, raunchy positions...the 3 of them in an ecstacy

world.....This put me in an uncomfortable spot. I know this is irrational, and

this is his past and not a part pf me and us.....however----i made this about

me. PLEASE GET ME OUT OF THIS PLACE.........So, I said, I am going to hang out

with the girls tonight and I way tryig so hard to not personalize this, he said

where are you? You are in a weird place? I said---ok, I am going to tell you

what I saw...I told him and he laughed and said---yeah, that was fun!---oh my

heart, I was trying to not make my feelings his....and just be honest about why

my irrational feelings were affecting my behavior, and this is what he said...he

laughed and said that was fun......Help me to do the work on this....help

ME!!!!!!!!

M.

Hualalai Academy, First grade

www.hualalai.org

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Your wife has a lover now?

I see that you are such a loving human being.

If you want to go back to your sweet wife, I want that for you too.

Love, T

-- Re: Re: How can I know?

Dear ,

I was never good in arguing feelings away. Explaining for myself why I had

these feelings didn't help very much, either.

The thoughts I apply your story to are:

He should (only) have fun with ME! (for me it was painful to see her

having fun with her lover.)

He should (only) love ME! (Another thought that came along with her affair

was: she doesn't love me.)

Do you know her? What do you think of her? Make a list.

( I made a list of her, her lover, and those friends of hers who approved

of her having an affair. And about people interfering into committed

relationships, or families with kids.)

I also had the thought that he was abusing her (he told her, that he did

not want a relationship with her) - but that doesn't seem to apply to your

situation.

And I did a work about " she should not do that " - as in: it were much

better for our paths, if she did not leave me. I have this picture of two

old people who look at the sunset together that brings me a lot of comfort -

when I am in the dream.

If you want to do the work via chat or phone, you can contact me privately

and we will make something out.

Blessings,

" M. " schrieb:

Replying to the masses.......I came home tonight and my man wasn't here

yet and I saw pics of he and his ex-fiance ( i am current fiance) and his

best friend " Jillian is naked, raunchy positions...the 3 of them in an

ecstacy world.....This put me in an uncomfortable spot. I know this is

irrational, and this is his past and not a part pf me and us....

however----i made this about me. PLEASE GET ME OUT OF THIS PLACE.........So,

I said, I am going to hang out with the girls tonight and I way tryig so

hard to not personalize this, he said where are you? You are in a weird

place? I said---ok, I am going to tell you what I saw...I told him and he

laughed and said---yeah, that was fun!---oh my heart, I was trying to not

make my feelings his....and just be honest about why my irrational feelings

were affecting my behavior, and this is what he said...he laughed and said

that was fun......Help me to do the work on this....help ME!!!!!!!!

M.

Hualalai Academy, First grade

www.hualalai.org

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Hi dear ,

I invite you to write, " He took these pictures and it means that..... " and

then make a list. This is so that you can find your thoughts instead of

trying to keep them away by telling yourself that they are irrational. Once

you have invited " your children " in, you can sit with them and have a

conversation, " Is it true? " , etc.

love,

I hope this helps.

Ric

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>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: Re: How can I know?

>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:50:19 -0800 (PST)

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>Replying to the masses.......I came home tonight and my man wasn't here yet

>and I saw pics of he and his ex-fiance ( i am current fiance) and his " best

>friend " Jillian is naked, raunchy positions...the 3 of them in an ecstacy

>world.....This put me in an uncomfortable spot. I know this is irrational,

>and this is his past and not a part pf me and us.....however----i made this

>about me. PLEASE GET ME OUT OF THIS PLACE.........So, I said, I am going to

>hang out with the girls tonight and I way tryig so hard to not personalize

>this, he said where are you? You are in a weird place? I said---ok, I am

>going to tell you what I saw...I told him and he laughed and said---yeah,

>that was fun!---oh my heart, I was trying to not make my feelings

>his....and just be honest about why my irrational feelings were affecting

>my behavior, and this is what he said...he laughed and said that was

>fun......Help me to do the work on this....help ME!!!!!!!!

>

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> M.

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>Hualalai Academy, First grade

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>www.hualalai.org

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[Guest guest]

Dear

I am the only naked member in this group

please dress up!

First warnings!

T

-- Re: How can I know?

Hi ,

I'm wondering, are you okay with being naked and raunchy?

Are these pics possibly making surface your fears around being open to

your body, sexuality, physical playfulness?

I think kids, when young, love to be naked and unencumbered, joyfully

free as the day they were born.

Do you allow yourself to live in an 'ectasy world'?

BE with the uncomforableness.

Say 'yes' to the feeling, for something lies beneath it that is a gift.

WHEN YOU'RE FALLING, DIVE.

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okay, I just stripped down, and am naked as I am typing this.

please only respond to my post if you're naked.

Hey, how bout we all designate Wednesdays as 'get nekkid in

loving-what-is@...'

XXXstatically yours,

" M. " wrote:

>

> Replying to the masses.......I came home tonight and my man wasn't

here yet and I saw pics of he and his ex-fiance ( i am current fiance)

and his " best friend " Jillian is naked, raunchy positions...the 3 of

them in an ecstacy world.....This put me in an uncomfortable spot. I

know this is irrational, and this is his past and not a part pf me and

us.....however----i made this about me. PLEASE GET ME OUT OF THIS

PLACE.........So, I said, I am going to hang out with the girls

tonight and I way tryig so hard to not personalize this, he said where

are you? You are in a weird place? I said---ok, I am going to tell you

what I saw...I told him and he laughed and said---yeah, that was

fun!---oh my heart, I was trying to not make my feelings his....and

just be honest about why my irrational feelings were affecting my

behavior, and this is what he said...he laughed and said that was

fun......Help me to do the work on this....help ME!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

I was never told to dress up by a guy

However one guy once kicked me out of his bed, cause I couldn't stop

laughing.

Now I know that he was insecure

Non of my business

T

-- Re: How can I know?

Tamar,

T bird-

I usually drive over guys who tell me to dress up.

First/last/ONLY warning.

Zoom zoom-

> Dear

>

> I am the only naked member in this group

> please dress up!

>

> First warnings!

>

> T

[Guest guest]

mrcitrus6 wrote: Hi heather.. another one .. HE laughed

and it means that....

**and remember, after the 'and it means that...' to ask yourself if you can

really know that its true...

**asking yourself what it means is an opportunity to examine your own stories

about your finances laughter, it is all about that, rather than attempting to

find out what was going on in his head when he laughed ~ which is hopeless!

Maybe he enjoys thinking your jealous or was it more of a nervous

laughter???? I dont know...

**we can never 'know' what is going on in another person's head/heart...even

when they tell us directly, the best we can do is examine our stories around

their actions and find our own truth!

love, rh

>

> Hi dear ,

>

> I invite you to write, " He took these pictures and it means

that..... " and

> then make a list. This is so that you can find your thoughts

instead of

> trying to keep them away by telling yourself that they are

irrational. Once

> you have invited " your children " in, you can sit with them and have a

> conversation, " Is it true? " , etc.

>

> love,

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Ric

>

>

> >From: " M. "

> >Reply-To: Loving-what-is

> >To: Loving-what-is

> >Subject: Re: Re: How can I know?

> >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:50:19 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Replying to the masses.......I came home tonight and my man wasn't

here yet

> >and I saw pics of he and his ex-fiance ( i am current fiance) and

his " best

> >friend " Jillian is naked, raunchy positions...the 3 of them in an

ecstacy

> >world.....This put me in an uncomfortable spot. I know this is

irrational,

> >and this is his past and not a part pf me and us.....however----i

made this

> >about me. PLEASE GET ME OUT OF THIS PLACE.........So, I said, I am

going to

> >hang out with the girls tonight and I way tryig so hard to not

personalize

> >this, he said where are you? You are in a weird place? I said---ok,

I am

> >going to tell you what I saw...I told him and he laughed and

said---yeah,

> >that was fun!---oh my heart, I was trying to not make my feelings

> >his....and just be honest about why my irrational feelings were

affecting

> >my behavior, and this is what he said...he laughed and said that was

> >fun......Help me to do the work on this....help ME!!!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > M.

> >

> >Hualalai Academy, First grade

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> >www.hualalai.org

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[Guest guest]

**or, perhaps he is completely comfortable with the pictures and they brought

back pleasant memories for him....

mrcitrus6 wrote: Hi heather.. another one .. HE laughed

and it means that....

Maybe he enjoys thinking your jealous or was it more of a nervous

laughter???? I dont know...

love, rh

>

> Hi dear ,

>

> I invite you to write, " He took these pictures and it means

that..... " and

> then make a list. This is so that you can find your thoughts

instead of

> trying to keep them away by telling yourself that they are

irrational. Once

> you have invited " your children " in, you can sit with them and have a

> conversation, " Is it true? " , etc.

>

> love,

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Ric

>

>

> >From: " M. "

> >Reply-To: Loving-what-is

> >To: Loving-what-is

> >Subject: Re: Re: How can I know?

> >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:50:19 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Replying to the masses.......I came home tonight and my man wasn't

here yet

> >and I saw pics of he and his ex-fiance ( i am current fiance) and

his " best

> >friend " Jillian is naked, raunchy positions...the 3 of them in an

ecstacy

> >world.....This put me in an uncomfortable spot. I know this is

irrational,

> >and this is his past and not a part pf me and us.....however----i

made this

> >about me. PLEASE GET ME OUT OF THIS PLACE.........So, I said, I am

going to

> >hang out with the girls tonight and I way tryig so hard to not

personalize

> >this, he said where are you? You are in a weird place? I said---ok,

I am

> >going to tell you what I saw...I told him and he laughed and

said---yeah,

> >that was fun!---oh my heart, I was trying to not make my feelings

> >his....and just be honest about why my irrational feelings were

affecting

> >my behavior, and this is what he said...he laughed and said that was

> >fun......Help me to do the work on this....help ME!!!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > M.

> >

> >Hualalai Academy, First grade

> >

> >www.hualalai.org

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[Guest guest]

nne,

I dont find it necessary to 'trust' people, other than I trust them to do what

they do. I find that I spend very little time trying to figure out 'why' anyone

else does what they do (laugh, lie, tell the truth, sneer, etc) and instead

watch the stories that I have about it...which I sometimes question if they are

painful enough. I try to listen to people literally...and respond to that.

Whether they are telling me the truth or not isnt my business (have you ever

told someone that you were angry when you were really scared? I have, and this

is all I mean by the statement that we can never really know what is going on,

inside another person, even when the tell us. Ultimately, it is love.).

'Trusting' someone to tell me the truth, for me, means that I expect them to

live up to my expectations. I expect them to tell me what they tell me. Truth

or not, doesnt seem to matter much!

Cheers,

CAtherine

Cheers,

nne wrote:

, you wrote:

**we can never 'know' what is going on in another person's

head/heart...even when they tell us directly

Dear ,

Good one.

I'm pretty sure I 'know' what is going on in another person's

head/heart ESPECIALLY when they tell me directly.

I wonder if you don't trust people to be honest with you?

Love, nne

[Guest guest]

nne,

HHmmmm. I have no arguement with anything that you have said. I also ask

people questions, sometimes. None of this has anything to do (for me)with the

point that I was making originally when I made the comment that, in my

experience I can NEVER really KNOW wht is going on in another person's

heart/head even when they tell me directly what their experience is ( when I'm

'pretty sure' that I' know' what is going on with someone, when I inquire I

find that I really dont know what is going on anywhere....I am ALWAYS responding

to my story). My statement was made to remind myself that the work and inquiry

is about questioning my own stories, rather than finding out what other people's

motives are.

I find intimacy and peace by staying in my own integrity, questioning my

stories, and being a listener without the need to understand or analyze what

other's are saying.

I'm happy for you that you have your own way.

Cheers,

nne wrote:

Hey ,

I find that I am more apt to ask people WHY they do what they do

(laugh) because I'm open to hearing what's up for them. I find peace

and intimacy with my loved one when I do that.

Have i ever told someone that I was angry when I was really scared?

No, I haven't, cause don't experience a difference between anger and

fear. It's the same for me.

Love, nne

> nne,

>

> I dont find it necessary to 'trust' people, other than I trust

them to do what they do. I find that I spend very little time trying

to figure out 'why' anyone else does what they do (laugh, lie, tell

the truth, sneer, etc) and instead watch the stories that I have about

it...which I sometimes question if they are painful enough. I try to

listen to people literally...and respond to that. Whether they are

telling me the truth or not isnt my business (have you ever told

someone that you were angry when you were really scared? I have, and

this is all I mean by the statement that we can never really know what

is going on, inside another person, even when the tell us.

Ultimately, it is love.).

>

> 'Trusting' someone to tell me the truth, for me, means that I

expect them to live up to my expectations. I expect them to tell me

what they tell me. Truth or not, doesnt seem to matter much!

>

> Cheers,

> CAtherine

>

> Cheers,

>

>

> nne wrote:

> , you wrote:

>

> **we can never 'know' what is going on in another person's

> head/heart...even when they tell us directly

>

> Dear ,

>

> Good one.

>

> I'm pretty sure I 'know' what is going on in another person's

> head/heart ESPECIALLY when they tell me directly.

>

> I wonder if you don't trust people to be honest with you?

>

> Love, nne

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I know a number of people who really have loving relationships and they do a

good amount of yelling and verbal jousting...it's not my 'style', yet I see that

they really love each other in spite of my stories....

thanks for sharing roslyn,

catherine

mrcitrus6 wrote:

catherine .. Good point I have no idea what s finacee meant by

his laughter and that would be his business.. my business would be how

i interpret the laughter ... And to question wether that is true. ?

My mother in law yells at my father in law and i laugh and she looks

at me and says oh you think thats funny and i know its rude.. but its

nervous laughter.. I've kind of quit that now.

She can be funny . Theyve been married 65 years and i think shes

yelled at him most of those 65 years .I told her im glad the rest of

us are safe she never yells at anyone else.

They are happily married anyway

rh

> >

> > Hi dear ,

> >

> > I invite you to write, " He took these pictures and it means

> that..... " and

> > then make a list. This is so that you can find your thoughts

> instead of

> > trying to keep them away by telling yourself that they are

> irrational. Once

> > you have invited " your children " in, you can sit with them and have a

> > conversation, " Is it true? " , etc.

> >

> > love,

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > Ric

> >

> >

> > >From: " M. "

> > >Reply-To: Loving-what-is

> > >To: Loving-what-is

> > >Subject: Re: Re: How can I know?

> > >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:50:19 -0800 (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Replying to the masses.......I came home tonight and my man wasn't

> here yet

> > >and I saw pics of he and his ex-fiance ( i am current fiance) and

> his " best

> > >friend " Jillian is naked, raunchy positions...the 3 of them in an

> ecstacy

> > >world.....This put me in an uncomfortable spot. I know this is

> irrational,

> > >and this is his past and not a part pf me and us.....however----i

> made this

> > >about me. PLEASE GET ME OUT OF THIS PLACE.........So, I said, I am

> going to

> > >hang out with the girls tonight and I way tryig so hard to not

> personalize

> > >this, he said where are you? You are in a weird place? I said---ok,

> I am

> > >going to tell you what I saw...I told him and he laughed and

> said---yeah,

> > >that was fun!---oh my heart, I was trying to not make my feelings

> > >his....and just be honest about why my irrational feelings were

> affecting

> > >my behavior, and this is what he said...he laughed and said that was

> > >fun......Help me to do the work on this....help ME!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > M.

> > >

> > >Hualalai Academy, First grade

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> > >www.hualalai.org

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