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In a message dated 7/3/02 6:37:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

gedharrison@... writes:

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> Date: 7/3/02 6:37:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time

> From: gedharrison@... (gedharrison)

> Reply-to: Cosmeticinfo

> To: Cosmeticinfo

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> I think I am getting out of my depth and biting off more than I can

> chew (please forgive the mixed metaphors ....)

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> I made a shampoo loosely based on a recipe from The Herbarie site

> (thanks Angie, it was wonderful!) The surfactant blend I used was

> decylglucoside and cocoamidopropyl betaine (at 30%) and I used

> Carbopol Ultrez 10 instead of the " conditioning thickener "

> recommended. It didn't thicken very much, but I wasn't worried as I

> found the viscosity fine for my purposes.

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> Emboldened by my success I thought I would make a face-wash gel for

> my oily-skinned son. Used ridiculously expensive organic aloe vera

> juice as my base, thickened with Ultrez 10, again solution didn't

> thicken very much. Added betaine surfactant, solution thinned down

> completely.

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> Of course, I've now searched the archives and read the suggested

> websites and realised Ultrez 10 isn't good with surfactants. Rats!

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> But I still have some questions:

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> Could I use salt as a thickener for this gel? Or not, since it would

> be used on the face? Is there anything else that would work and is

> easily available in Europe in less than 1 tonne lots? I hate using

> xanthan gum, so slimy and doesn't make a clear gel .... What about

> guar gum?

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> I then read that carbomers don't thicken properly unless the solution

> is neutralised. If I use a NaOH solution, won't this detract from

> the mildness of my shampoo?

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> Is the Ultrez 10 going to be impossible to use in any product with

> any detergent?

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> Sorry the questions are all so confused - so am I! I think I'll go

> back to making soap!

>

Hi,

I cannot address your questions about the Ultrez, but will try to address

your problems with the surfactants mentioned. I am trying to figure out

exactly which surfactants you used. Did you use the decyl glucoside and

sodium lauroyl lactylate blend? And did you use the cocamidopropyl betaine

and sodium caproyl lactylate blend? Or did you use just decyl glucoside and

cocamidopropyl betaine together? Anyway....salt will not thicken any of

these and the manufacturers don't recommend using carbomers (although I

haven't tried myself). As you say, the Conditioning Thickener-crothix (PEG

150 Pentaerythrityl Tetrastearate) will successfully thicken all of these

combinations. You can achieve a clear shampoo, etc. with the Conditioning

Thickener-crothix. I have just added a new product to my site called

UltraMaize---derived from cornstarch---that will successfully thicken any of

these surfactants. It instantly dissolves in cold water and thickens into a

gel-like consistency. The surfactants and other ingredients are simply added

to the gel to create a shampoo, body wash, facial wash, whatever. No heating

necessary. To me, the product has a consistency somewhere between a carbomer

and gum, with the advantage of being extremely easy to use and is a very

benign substance. You will not achieve a completely clear mix though--it is

slightly cloudy. As to the guar gum, xanthan gum.....I have not had pleasing

results. I don't like the slimey feel of these either. Since the

Conditioning Thickener-crothix that I sell is a Croda product, you could

probably get that in Europe. I think that is your best bet. As far as I

know, I am the only small supplier of the UltraMaize.

And by the way.....it is a good thing to experiment!! How else can you

learn? You wouldn't believe how many strange things I have put together

that didn't work! But I have alot that have worked too! So, I say, go for

it and let us know of your wonderful discoveries!

Angie

The Herbarie...Visit us at:  http://www.theherbarie.com for Body Care

Products and Bulk Ingredients...Botanical Extracts and Proteins, Ultra-Mild

Surfactant Blends, Conditioning Emulsifiers.

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Terrie,

In some very rare instances other tests are required to confirm a diagnosis

of Down Syndrome. The test is called a FISH test or Flourescence in situ

hybridization. Or in other cases of Mosaicism more than just the blood needs to

be

tested...ie skin fibroblasts as opposed to blood lyphosites.

Hope this helps and good luck

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Terri,

my daughter who is now seven , tested negative for downs syndorme for the

first three years of her life... but everything kept coming back to downs

syndrome, they finally did a skin test on her and found that only her skin cells

are

effected.. that is why the blood test kept coming back neg.

the good thing is you got started on therapy!! no matter what the handicap

the threrapy will help catch your grand daughter up and that is what you want

most of all. DEbbi

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Terrie...

I have a neigbor, few doors down, they have a daughter who is now middle

school age, who also has the simian crease (single crease) in her hands, and is

somewhat develomentally delayed...and unfortunately the family has never

gotten a diagnosis on what exactly is wrong with their daughter. But, I also

don't know how much they've pushed for a diagnosis...

I hope you all can find some answers to put your minds at ease!

~ANGEL~

Mom to 11 Mosaic Down Syndrome/Hirschsprung's Disease

Lance 16, Tyler 12, 9

Jaeda 8 & Shayne 2

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Dear ,

After reaches adulthood, you will still reply in the affirmative when

asked " Do you have any children? " It does sound funny, I agree! Also, our

daughter was not diagnosed as Mosaic until she was already an adult, thus she

is an " adult child who ha been diagnosed with MDS. "

Judie

Mom to Christi, 25 (and others)

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ka,

I started developing mouth sores about a year and a half ago - more than the usual once a year sore, you know? I didn't think anything of it - thought maybe it was associated to stomach acid or something like that. Didn't put much stock in it. Now I've found out I have Sjogren's disease. I was attributing a lot of my symptoms to other things. I had dry eyes, mouth sores, extreme exhaustion, EN, muscle achiness, joint pain, cotton mouth and some others that I just attributed to my EN or my medicines or my EN. Turns out, it all works together in this Sjogren's disease. I don't know about the hard bump on your ankle. All the hard bumps I have are from my EN. I do have a soft bump on my ankle that is not painful. It almost feels like a ball of fat. I showed my primary, but he didn't think much of it. Hope this info helps.

Tawnya, "IdioEN '97"

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I am one of those aliens who have weird reactions. I am allergic to the TB tine test. Go figure. LOL Madeline http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lungs_on_Vacation/

To: asthma Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:36:54 PMSubject: Re: (unknown)

I wish I had a dollar for everything that's happened to me that the doctors say "can't"!

In a lot of cases, we know our bodies a whole lot better than the doctors do.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Mike A <mikea98092@mindspri ng.com> wrote:

Don't know why, but the steroid nasal spray gave me terrible asthma attacks. Guess some of us just react differently. Doctor says it can't happen, but it did.

Mike in Seattle

(unknown)

Do you know why the nasal sprays made your asthma worse?

Thanks,

Debbie

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I have dermographism which means I come up in hives if my skin is scratched. Basically, I am allergic to being scratched... It is no where near as bad as it was when it started early on in 2005, but still comes and goes. It flared up badly a few months ago when it was hot and humid.

Jenn

Tha can tek t'lass outta Yorkshire...!

Don't brand me, don't classify me, don't tell me what to wear. I'll be who I want to be, and I'm proud to be me.

Don't know why, but the steroid nasal spray gave me terrible asthma attacks. Guess some of us just react differently. Doctor says it can't happen, but it did.

Mike in Seattle

(unknown)

Do you know why the nasal sprays made your asthma worse?

Thanks,

Debbie

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My sister has that. She is red-headed and very fair skinned. It has gotten better for her as she has gotten older. I don't know if physically it is better or if she has learned how to block it in her mind. Madeline http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lungs_on_Vacation/From: A Hill

To: asthma Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:04:06 AMSubject: Re: (unknown)

I have dermographism which means I come up in hives if my skin is scratched. Basically, I am allergic to being scratched... It is no where near as bad as it was when it started early on in 2005, but still comes and goes. It flared up badly a few months ago when it was hot and humid.

Jenn

Tha can tek t'lass outta Yorkshire... !

Don't brand me, don't classify me, don't tell me what to wear. I'll be who I want to be, and I'm proud to be me.

Don't know why, but the steroid nasal spray gave me terrible asthma attacks. Guess some of us just react differently. Doctor says it can't happen, but it did.

Mike in Seattle

(unknown)

Do you know why the nasal sprays made your asthma worse?

Thanks,

Debbie

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That's probably a good idea, sending you home sooner than later.  With the number of swine flu cases running around, and you can't have the vaccine, you're better off not in the hospital!

Originally the docs had intended to keep me until tomorrow, but as it turns out the hospital is running short of beds and they did not want to put me in the general public rooms.  So, I got sprung a day early.  However, I am ready to go.  In fact I feel much better than I did coming home last week.  We really feel that I wasn't really stable yet from last week, and then I had to stop my meds Monday morning for some testing.  At that point I just started to tumble, and once I start going downhill it is very hard to stop.  So no more stopping meds for a while.  LOL.  I'll check in with you all later. 

 Madeline http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lungs_on_Vacation/

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great your home

gill

To: LovingAsthmaSupport ; Asthma ; lungs_on_vacation Sent: Wed, 11 November, 2009 21:17:50Subject: (unknown)

Originally the docs had intended to keep me until tomorrow, but as it turns out the hospital is running short of beds and they did not want to put me in the general public rooms. So, I got sprung a day early. However, I am ready to go. In fact I feel much better than I did coming home last week. We really feel that I wasn't really stable yet from last week, and then I had to stop my meds Monday morning for some testing. At that point I just started to tumble, and once I start going downhill it is very hard to stop. So no more stopping meds for a while. LOL. I'll check in with you all later. Madeline http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ Lungs_on_ Vacation/