Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Why do you say that Doug? Rich > > I have a feeling that shamar kumar works for bullworker enterprises - mumbai india. This is a place for exchange of ideas. > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Hi Doug, I dont work for bullworker india. I live in new york.The reason I asked the best exercise for each muscle group is I got good results with static contraction training. I added more than an inch on arms and chest within few weeks and I am still adding inches to my body using this. I know it doesn’t work for everyone I came to know rbelloff tore his tendons using this method. Even though pete sisco claims it is different than isometrics but it is definitely isometrics. Moreover the price he asks for SCT machine is insane which is basically an isometric machine, which has a strain gauge, attached to it that shows number of pounds of isometric pressure exerted. I do SCT by going to the gym and holding weights statically since I think it is stupid to buy a SCT machine for such a high price. I definitely gained some muscle mass using bullworker but not like SCT I am doing now. The only difference between the SCT training and bullworker training is I do one exercise per muscle group for SCT and multiple exercise per muscle group using bullworker. I want to test bullworker how it does well in gaining muscle mass if I do only one exercise per muscle group. This is the reason I called for “Best exercise for each muscle group” hoping you guys can throw some light on selecting the exercise. doug helliwell wrote: I have a feeling that shamar kumar works for bullworker enterprises - mumbai india. This is a place for exchange of ideas. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Interesting. In your case, the fact that you have gained muscle using SCT may be tied to doing less, rather than more exercise. So, I do understand your wanting to find the " best exercise " for each muscle group. Let me give some thought to this question from this new perspective. PS-I agree with the cost of Sisco's exercise unit, it is absurdly priced. > I have a feeling that shamar kumar works for bullworker enterprises - mumbai india. This is a place for exchange of ideas. > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Shravan kumar wrote: > I do SCT by going to the gym and holding weights statically > since I think it is stupid to buy a SCT machine for such a > high price. I definitely gained some muscle mass using > bullworker but not like SCT I am doing now. Shravan, could you elaborate on how you do this training? Are you using hand weights, barbells, or both? Or a bench press machine? /Jelks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Jelks, You need a power rack with safety stops and weight plates in your gym to do this exercise. For each muscle group do the following exercise as described below. Chest – Bench press – Hold weight few inches blow lockout position Back – Barbell Row -- Hold weight few inches above start position Triceps – Close grip Bench press -- Hold weight few inches below end position Biceps – Bicep curl -- Hold weight few inches below end position Shoulders – Military press -- Hold weight few inches below end position Lower Back – Dead lift -- Hold weight few inches below end position Legs – Squat -- Hold weight few inches below end position Do only one exercise per muscle group. Weight should be heavy enough so you can hold only for 7 seconds. Should increase the hold time in subsequent training sessions. Once you reach 15 seconds add more weight to hold only 7 seconds. This is basically isometrics. Number of days rest between the sessions is calculated based on a cumbersome logic mystrengthcoach.com software (monthly subscription required) does for you. I developed a software program by myself that does the same calculation and tell me the next training date. I am thinking of using this software to work with bullworker and want to see how the result is. Jelks Cabaniss wrote: Shravan kumar wrote:> I do SCT by going to the gym and holding weights statically> since I think it is stupid to buy a SCT machine for such a> high price. I definitely gained some muscle mass using> bullworker but not like SCT I am doing now.Shravan, could you elaborate on how you do this training? Are youusing hand weights, barbells, or both? Or a bench press machine? /Jelks Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 My problem with this approach is as follows: 1-You need a gym with the appropriate equipment to do it. Not all gyms have the right stuff. 2-It is a risky type of training as it subjects the user to very heavy poundages at near failure conditions. 3-It lacks any real scientific validation. In my months of using SCT I did gain some small amount of muscle mass but DID NOT get stronger in any part of the range except at the ends where I was working. In my experience, the claim that SCT makes you stronger throughout the muscle range is NOT TRUE. The muscle mass gains are likely due to the longer holding times in SCT rather than the ROM recommended. All in all, I see no advantages to SCT over regular isometric training and many disadvantages. Then there is that injury potential. > > I do SCT by going to the gym and holding weights statically > > since I think it is stupid to buy a SCT machine for such a > > high price. I definitely gained some muscle mass using > > bullworker but not like SCT I am doing now. > > Shravan, could you elaborate on how you do this training? Are you > using hand weights, barbells, or both? Or a bench press machine? > > /Jelks > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Groups are talking. We & acute;re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I doubt strong range concept with SCT. For the past few weeks I am experimenting holding weight at weak range still I am gaining muscles at the same rate. For example with bicep curl the end position (knuckles near shoulder) is the strongest range where you can hold the maximum weight instead I am now holding weight at hands half bend position where your shoulders to knuckle looks like L. Still I gain muscles. So it is very clear SCT works on isometrics principle or pete/little build it based on isometrics principle. There are only two differences now I find. 1. Isometrics calls for 70% intensity SCT demands 100% 2. Rest period between workouts is dynamic in SCT based on the information on the numbers you make on last workout for isometrics it is constant (every day). I now want to do SCT with bullworker since BW allows you to measure the intensity of your workout. The reason you got injured is may be you are not using the power rack or tried to experiment with much more weight you can handle. Again I am not for SCT for the sole reason of the money you have to spend to get fit and healthy. > > > I do SCT by going to the gym and holding weights statically > > > since I think it is stupid to buy a SCT machine for such a > > > high price. I definitely gained some muscle mass using > > > bullworker but not like SCT I am doing now. > > > > Shravan, could you elaborate on how you do this training? Are you > > using hand weights, barbells, or both? Or a bench press machine? > > > > /Jelks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Groups are talking. We & acute;re listening. Check out the handy > changes to Yahoo! Groups. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 " Shravan kumar " wrote: > You need a power rack with safety stops and weight plates in > your gym to do this exercise. For each muscle group do the > following exercise as described below. Thanks Shravan -- I don't go to a gym, so I wouldn't be able to do those exercises. They have, however, given me a few ideas about how to possibly supplement BW training with weight-based isometrics. /Jelks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 peter sisco has the training equipment for this kind of training. It is a very very intesnse way of training. principles are very sound. less time to train tooshravan kumar wrote: I doubt strong range concept with SCT. For the past few weeks I am experimenting holding weight at weak range still I am gaining muscles at the same rate. For example with bicep curl the end position (knuckles near shoulder) is the strongest range where you can hold the maximum weight instead I am now holding weight at hands half bend position where your shoulders to knuckle looks like L. Still I gain muscles. So it is very clear SCT works on isometrics principle or pete/little build it based on isometrics principle. There are only two differences now I find.1. Isometrics calls for 70% intensity SCT demands 100%2. Rest period between workouts is dynamic in SCT based on the information on the numbers you make on last workout for isometrics it is constant (every day).I now want to do SCT with bullworker since BW allows you to measure the intensity of your workout. The reason you got injured is may be you are not using the power rack or tried to experiment with much more weight you can handle. Again I am not for SCT for the sole reason of the money you have to spend to get fit and healthy.> > > I do SCT by going to the gym and holding weights statically> > > since I think it is stupid to buy a SCT machine for such a> > > high price. I definitely gained some muscle mass using> > > bullworker but not like SCT I am doing now.> > > > Shravan, could you elaborate on how you do this training? Are you> > using hand weights, barbells, or both? Or a bench press machine? > > > > /Jelks> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Groups are talking. We & acute;re listening. Check out the handy > changes to Yahoo! Groups.> >> See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2006 Report Share Posted August 7, 2006 Sisco ALWAYS has something to sell. However, if you use an isometric contraction on an immovable object, you are working your muscle about as hard as you can. I see no way that Sisco's contraption can make the muscle work harder. His machine does have a strain meter on it. However, in many ways, the gauge on our BW have a strain meter of their own. Moreover, in the past, I have used a scale weight type device to measure force exerted. Cost me about $30. My point is that the principles of isometric contraction did not change because Pete Sisco says they have. > > > > I do SCT by going to the gym and holding weights statically > > > > since I think it is stupid to buy a SCT machine for such a > > > > high price. I definitely gained some muscle mass using > > > > bullworker but not like SCT I am doing now. > > > > > > Shravan, could you elaborate on how you do this training? Are you > > > using hand weights, barbells, or both? Or a bench press machine? > > > > > > /Jelks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Groups are talking. We & acute;re listening. Check out the handy > > changes to Yahoo! Groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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