Re: NE Veterinarians that know anything about canine pancreatitis & KT?? His vet

[Guest guest]

My dogs are becoming allergic to the corn and wheat in dog food that has been

genetically altered. For any skin or digestion problems I give aloe vera,

internally and topically.

Pat

NE Veterinarians that know anything about canine pancreatitis &

KT?? His vet

was totally appalled & disgusted that I might be giving my Mini-

schnauzer ANYthing related to Kombucha or any natural treatment that

he hadn't prescribed.

I read that the breed is prone to develop pancreatitis. But I was

only giving him a nickle size piece of the culture (he turns his

nose up to the tea itself) but there was 1 night a couple weeks ago

that he had vomited up the 2 nickle size pieces that I had given him

earlier that day. I took him to the vet the following day because

he continued to vomit even though I had held his dog food ( & KT too,

of course) & he was very lethargic. No temp, heart & lungs checked

out, no other problems apparent. So my VET after (scolding me for

giving him anything that didn't come from him or a retail pet

store!!) had me hold all food for 24 hours & then put him on a

cooked chicken & rice diet which I did for about a week. Well,

consequently he has begun itching again (he's always had skin

problems off & on & has frequently been put on steroids) & I even

found a flea on him that he hasn't had since starting the KT culture

treats. PLUS he is constantly licking his paws which he rarely did

after his treat change. I'm just worried about HOW to introduce the

culture treats again. I hate having to have him on meds all the

times for his skin but don't want to CREATE pancreatitis or liver

problems because of the cultures. Any ADVICE??? I wish I could just

put a couple tablespoons into his water but he ( & my ferret too!)

who have a large dishpan that I keep their water in wont touch the

water when I add the tea to it.

Thanks for any help anyone can give!!

[Guest guest]

I can't see how KT could have any kind of remotely adverse effect on the

pancreas or anything else. From what I've read, pancreatitis is most often

brought on by eating too large of a quantity of fat. That was my experience

with a dachshund about ten years ago.

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[Guest guest]

My opinion is that, again, fear rules. Some vets, if they can find

something to point to, then they will, sometimes being lazy and not

actually finding what is really the problem. Just like Western MDs will do

with humans.

I don't know why the dog vomitted the SCOBY treats when they had been

agreeing with her/him, but I tend to think that the vomitting is not

perhaps related to the SCOBY but to some other imbalance. ????

That's just my opinion only, fwiw.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

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TY !! I think you might be right because his next step was

going to be to do about $200 worth of blood tests. I wonder how

you'd go about finding a " naturopathic Vet " !!! lol!!

I know they're probably around so maybe I'll call a local Natural

pet food store in my area. They might not know anything about KT

either or might hesitate telling me tho cuz I was paying $8.00 for a

little bag of lamb & rice (with glucosamine/condroitin) jerky treats

from there. Those made him sick too. But normally he doesn't vomit

very often. I think that possibly he had a intestinal bug. They did

give him a shot of anti-biotics tho that seemed to help. Thanks! I'm

just going to start off by giving him VERY small pieces of the

culture. I just miss him being able to sit all night & not chew at

his skin or scratch with his back paws!! I'll be glad when I can get

him adjusted again. I'll just go a little slower. He begs for them

so bad when I give him one that that one night I gave him 2. I dont

think that I'd given him 2 before.

>

>

> My opinion is that, again, fear rules. Some vets, if they can

find

> something to point to, then they will, sometimes being lazy and

not

> actually finding what is really the problem. Just like Western

MDs will do

> with humans.

>

> I don't know why the dog vomitted the SCOBY treats when they had

been

> agreeing with her/him, but I tend to think that the vomitting is

not

> perhaps related to the SCOBY but to some other imbalance. ????

>

> That's just my opinion only, fwiw.

>

> --V

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

AND TY to & too!! The more brains contributing to a

question the more comfortable I feel to resume his cultures.

Although this time I'll keep him at a nickle size piece a day!!

After maybe a year I'll increase again gradually. I wouldn't think

that a piece that size would do any harm to any of his internal

organs.

Thanks again everyone!!

> >

> >

> > My opinion is that, again, fear rules. Some vets, if they can

> find

> > something to point to, then they will, sometimes being lazy and

> not

> > actually finding what is really the problem. Just like Western

> MDs will do

> > with humans.

> >

> > I don't know why the dog vomitted the SCOBY treats when they had

> been

> > agreeing with her/him, but I tend to think that the vomitting is

> not

> > perhaps related to the SCOBY but to some other imbalance. ????

> >

> > That's just my opinion only, fwiw.

> >

> > --V

> >

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'd say start slowly and only by tiny increments increase.

Your natural pet food store is an excellent place to inquire about a

naturopathic vet.

Some animals have trouble keeping food down, and it seems to be

psychological as much as anything. If your dog will let you, you could try

using liquid KT externally on the troubled areas. I've started using

vinegary KT as my antiseptic when I get a cut or scrape. All my life I've

had a hard time getting things to start healing (though have always healed

thoroughly once the initial phase was entered). Using the KT as

antiseptic, little cuts are closing right up and going into scab

stage. For someone who always " had " to use neosporin even on little

things, this is such a huge relief.

Anyway I think the KT liquid can help keep secondary infections from

developing in skin ailments, thus allowing healing to proceed.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Kefir is very good for dogs particularly if you think your little guy

has a stomach bug.

Will right the damage antibiotics have done to his gut flora.

Kombush does this too?

My dog likes kombucha but i worry about the caffeine content. I know

there's not much of it but...???

Why not try mixing in a little of K tea with his tucker?

If I feed my dog commercial dog food her gets excema. He does well on a

100% raw natural diet.

Dry pet food and tinned food has had the enzymes destroyed that help

with digestion. Raw food still has all these.

And commercial dog food sometimes contains things that it shouldn't but

i won't go into that here.

Raw is cheap to feed and is easy to vary if you want to spoil him.

Consider finding out about canine acupressure as this can help too

particularly in preventing problems that have occured in the past.

I'm doing this now with a book I just bought from amazon.com

If my vet tried to tell me commercial dog food was the best to feed my

dog I'd go to another vet.

Occassionally dogs vomit up what they've just eaten, they then proceed

to stuff it back down. It helps digestion, gross but this is what its

like to be a dog. Not all dogs do this and for some doing it too much is

a problem that needs help.

I used to cook my dogs food but again they'd get excema unless I added a

broad spectrum vitamin supplement.

All raw is the way to go, its easier to digest and this might be why

your dog is upchucking his tucker.

Eating dried or tinned food makes the body work harder to digest this

'food' too.

Hope this has been a help.

TTFN

Sue (au).

silly_old_gurl wrote:

> TY !! I think you might be right because his next step was

> going to be to do about $200 worth of blood tests. I wonder how

> you'd go about finding a " naturopathic Vet " !!! lol!!

> I know they're probably around so maybe I'll call a local Natural

> pet food store in my area. They might not know anything about KT

> either or might hesitate telling me tho cuz I was paying $8.00 for a

> little bag of lamb & rice (with glucosamine/condroitin) jerky treats

> from there. Those made him sick too. But normally he doesn't vomit

> very often. I think that possibly he had a intestinal bug. They did

> give him a shot of anti-biotics tho that seemed to help. Thanks! I'm

> just going to start off by giving him VERY small pieces of the

> culture. I just miss him being able to sit all night & not chew at

> his skin or scratch with his back paws!! I'll be glad when I can get

> him adjusted again. I'll just go a little slower. He begs for them

> so bad when I give him one that that one night I gave him 2. I dont

> think that I'd given him 2 before.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > My opinion is that, again, fear rules. Some vets, if they can

> find something to point to, then they will, sometimes being lazy and

> not actually finding what is really the problem. Just like Western

> MDs will do with humans.

> >

> > I don't know why the dog vomitted the SCOBY treats when they had

> been agreeing with her/him, but I tend to think that the vomitting is

> not perhaps related to the SCOBY but to some other imbalance. ????

> >

> > That's just my opinion only, fwiw.

> >

> > --V

[Guest guest]

> I read that the breed is prone to develop pancreatitis. But I was

> only giving him a nickle size piece of the culture (he turns his

> nose up to the tea itself)

I mix the tea in with canned dog food and/or some broth or left

over meat scraps from dinner. Although I'm not so sure she likes

the tea, she overrides her dislike to eat the meat and drink the

broth. I've been doing it for a couple months now, and she (almost

8 years old) has much more energy, her ears are perky again and

she's eating less (which is a good thing). She plays again and

overall seem much " younger " than she has for a long time. I'm

anxious for flea season to hit to see if this will take care of it.

I've heard, and it's rung true for us, that licking the paws means

it's bath time. Whenever my chow starts the constant licking, I give

her a bath or take her to the groomers and it stops immediately.

Lizzie

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[Guest guest]

-- Re: NE Veterinarians that know anything about canine

pancreatitis & KT?? His vet

Hi ,

Kefir is very good for dogs particularly if you think your little guy

has a stomach bug.

Will right the damage antibiotics have done to his gut flora.

Kombush does this too?

My dog likes kombucha but i worry about the caffeine content. I know

there's not much of it but...???

Why not try mixing in a little of K tea with his tucker?

If I feed my dog commercial dog food her gets excema. He does well on a

100% raw natural diet.

Dry pet food and tinned food has had the enzymes destroyed that help

with digestion. Raw food still has all these.

And commercial dog food sometimes contains things that it shouldn't but

i won't go into that here.

Raw is cheap to feed and is easy to vary if you want to spoil him.

Consider finding out about canine acupressure as this can help too

particularly in preventing problems that have occured in the past.

I'm doing this now with a book I just bought from amazon.com

If my vet tried to tell me commercial dog food was the best to feed my

dog I'd go to another vet.

Occassionally dogs vomit up what they've just eaten, they then proceed

to stuff it back down. It helps digestion, gross but this is what its

like to be a dog. Not all dogs do this and for some doing it too much is

a problem that needs help.

I used to cook my dogs food but again they'd get excema unless I added a

broad spectrum vitamin supplement.

All raw is the way to go, its easier to digest and this might be why

your dog is upchucking his tucker.

Eating dried or tinned food makes the body work harder to digest this

'food' too.

Hope this has been a help.

TTFN

Sue (au).

Sue, can go into detail what you feed your dog? Also, what book did you

get from Amazon? How is raw cheap to feed? If it is veggies or meat, it is

very expensive in the stores. Please enlighten me? Thanks,