Re: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. Grim

[Guest guest]

Sounds good in theory BUT to get insurace companies to pay for virtual consulting is something else all together.Do what one of my doctors does, you pay in advance, get an invoice for services rendered along with the diagnostic codes and the download your insurance companies form to get reimbursed for services and mail it in yourself

Pam

 

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

Dear Max,If you don't like this group, don't use it. It's so simple! All of us here, about 600 people, also have a health insurance and also pay our premiums. But if you have read carefully our postings, you could figure out, that it's Dr. Grim who literally very often saves our life, not the doctors who we pay and who are paid by insurance to take care of us. And I personally would be very happy to give any useful data for Dr. Grim's research if it helps him to help all of us. A lot of people here are tremendously grateful to Dr. Grim and to all of us in this group who share their health problems,

knowledge, intuition, and experience, and don't worry too much about their privacy, reputation and money. Sincerely,NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:27 PMSubject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. Grim

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

Wish I had time or $ to do good research but no funding that i know of to sport our kind of data fGathering Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Sounds good in theory BUT to get insurace companies to pay for virtual consulting is something else all together.Do what one of my doctors does, you pay in advance, get an invoice for services rendered along with the diagnostic codes and the download your insurance companies form to get reimbursed for services and mail it in yourself

Pam

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

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The is a new billing code foe seeing a Htn specialist but not on the Internet yet. Therefore if one wants one on one consulting with me for themselves and their team I am available. It ia up to the individual if they are fed up yet. I would have to say that most who do the consulting arrangement seM to be back on track after 1 month or so. But have not collected this info systematically. Perhaps some here will want to give some information menthe costBenefit of using me as a consultant. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Sounds good in theory BUT to get insurace companies to pay for virtual consulting is something else all together.Do what one of my doctors does, you pay in advance, get an invoice for services rendered along with the diagnostic codes and the download your insurance companies form to get reimbursed for services and mail it in yourself

Pam

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

No we all learn from each other but some want more one on one (or team) interaction and we do this outside of our Yahoo group. I do recommend they share some of our communication with the group but many want to stay one on one for more detailed help. And that is what I am ready to do but not for free. The choice is always up to the patient as it is in real life. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Sounds good in theory BUT to get insurace companies to pay for virtual consulting is something else all together.Do what one of my doctors does, you pay in advance, get an invoice for services rendered along with the diagnostic codes and the download your insurance companies form to get reimbursed for services and mail it in yourself

Pam

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

Well said from a new capitalist. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Dear Max,If you don't like this group, don't use it. It's so simple! All of us here, about 600 people, also have a health insurance and also pay our premiums. But if you have read carefully our postings, you could figure out, that it's Dr. Grim who literally very often saves our life, not the doctors who we pay and who are paid by insurance to take care of us. And I personally would be very happy to give any useful data for Dr. Grim's research if it helps him to help all of us. A lot of people here are tremendously grateful to Dr. Grim and to all of us in this group who share their health problems,

knowledge, intuition, and experience, and don't worry too much about their privacy, reputation and money. Sincerely,NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:27 PMSubject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. Grim

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

Make that supporting our kind of "research". We have maxN2 poster presentations At National and International meetings but no time or funding for proper data collection and analysis. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Wish I had time or $ to do good research but no funding that i know of to sport our kind of data fGathering Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Sounds good in theory BUT to get insurace companies to pay for virtual consulting is something else all together.Do what one of my doctors does, you pay in advance, get an invoice for services rendered along with the diagnostic codes and the download your insurance companies form to get reimbursed for services and mail it in yourself

Pam

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the comments and analysis. I wish I could set up a virtual HTN CLINIC which the insurance companies would take part in in saving many years of suffering and expense but they seem to believe that any Dr can manage HTN. Many here would disagremeWith this based on their own years of badly managed HTN that any good medical student should have been able help with. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the comments and analysis. I wish I could set up a virtual HTN CLINIC which the insurance companies would take part in in saving many years of suffering and expense but they seem to believe that any Dr can manage HTN. Many here would disagremeWith this based on their own years of badly managed HTN that any good medical student should have been able help with. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I would vote for the universal health care :-) Does it mean that I am rather a socialist? To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:23 PMSubject: Re: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. Grim

Well said from a new capitalist. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Dear Max,If you don't like this group, don't use it. It's so simple! All of us here, about 600 people, also have a health insurance and also pay our premiums. But if you have read carefully our postings, you could figure out, that it's Dr. Grim who literally very often saves our life, not the doctors who we pay and who are paid by insurance to take care of us. And I personally would be very happy to give any useful data for Dr. Grim's research if it helps him to help all of us. A lot of people here are tremendously grateful to Dr. Grim and to all of us in this group who share their

health problems,

knowledge, intuition, and experience, and don't worry too much about their privacy, reputation and money. Sincerely,NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:27 PMSubject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. Grim

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

At one time I was against much of the welfare programs. life has taught me not

only do we need the programs we have but more are needed. This is just being

civilized.

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> >Dear Max,

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> >If you don't like this group, don't use it. It's so simple! 

> >

> >

> >All of us here, about 600 people, also have a health insurance and also pay

our premiums. But if you have read carefully our postings, you could figure out,

that it's Dr. Grim who literally very often saves our life, not the doctors who

we pay and who are paid by insurance to take care of us.

> >

> >

> >

> >And I personally would be very happy to give any useful data for Dr. Grim's

research if it helps him to help all of us. 

> >

> >

> >A lot of people here are tremendously grateful to Dr. Grim and to all of us

in this group who share their health problems, knowledge, intuition, and 

experience, and don't worry too much about their privacy, reputation and money.

> >

> >

> >

> >Sincerely,

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> >

> >Natalia

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> >To: hyperaldosteronism

> >Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:27 PM

> >Subject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly

by Dr. Grim

> >

> >

> > 

> >While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of

people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for

research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff

for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to

do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so

people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this

free Yahoo junk.

> >

> >I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton

for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical

insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal

identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo

internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the

data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a

better forum solution.

> >

> >Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay

insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price

I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site

so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each

of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and

I will go away.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Dr. Grim, If you could send me a bill for $0.00 I'll submit it to my Ins. so

they can apply it to my deductible of $2500! ( I get my care thru the VA and

the only reason I have ins is to cover my wife's gap ins for Medicare, I am the

retired employee. (Best $130/qtr I ever spent.) And, the VA was able to recoup

over $10,000 last year!

It is a service he offers and you choose whether you want/need it or not. He

has certainly helped me imensely and we have done quite a bit to educate some

doctors at the local VA! He certainly isn't getting rich from his consulting

fees and I wonder how much time and effort it would take to setup what you ask.

Having led the analysts and programmer that did this a few years ago (actually

quite a few now) I can assure you it is not a meanial task!

If I am a " test Rat " for him, great because I feel the best I have in years and

quite frankly I'm not sure how much longer I could have gone on taking 6 BP, 1 K

suppl, 1 dm2 med and 3 depression meds! Not only the physical side but the

mental/emmotional side may have been worse! (I didn't realize I had as much

Brain Fog until I saw how many times I called the triage desk in the last 5

years when I reviewed my records!)

Thanks Dr. Grim and I vote you keep doing what you do - you provide a Great

Service in my book!

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> Dear Max,

>

> If you don't like this group, don't use it. It's so simple! 

>

> All of us here, about 600 people, also have a health insurance and also pay

our premiums. But if you have read carefully our postings, you could figure out,

that it's Dr. Grim who literally very often saves our life, not the doctors who

we pay and who are paid by insurance to take care of us.

>

>

> And I personally would be very happy to give any useful data for Dr. Grim's

research if it helps him to help all of us. 

>

> A lot of people here are tremendously grateful to Dr. Grim and to all of us in

this group who share their health problems, knowledge, intuition, and 

experience, and don't worry too much about their privacy, reputation and money.

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Natalia

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

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> To: hyperaldosteronism

> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:27 PM

> Subject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly

by Dr. Grim

>

>

>  

> While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people

in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for

research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff

for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to

do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so

people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this

free Yahoo junk.

>

> I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton

for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical

insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal

identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo

internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the

data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a

better forum solution.

>

> Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay

insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price

I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site

so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each

of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and

I will go away.

>

[Guest guest]

As far as I am concerned Dr. Grim is more than welcome to my medical data for any research he does and I was delighted that he was available for hire to help me with my case. His fee has already been more than paid for with the drastic reductions in my costs for useless medications, but more than that I might not be here if he hadn't been available to guide my no-nothing doctors. Let's review the choices: Big stroke/dead vs. $500. Mmnnn, what to choose? Obviously I'm being sarcastic here, but Dr. Grim has probably saved my life. What do I care that it's not reimbursable from insurance? Even though I've paid the $500, I am the one who still owes Dr. Grim a debt of gratitude. If that can be repaid in some small measure by my public posting of lab results and personal or statistical information, he is welcome to it. If it can be used to

help someone else, great. Compared to the downward spiral that my life was in pre-Grim, letting others have access to some of my information is nothing.If this was a virtual "legitimate medical clinic" how would most of us have found Dr. Grim's site? Most would probably still be suffering because we wouldn't have been able to access his "clinic". The information connecting our symptoms with PA wouldn't be public enough for us to find and connect it to his expertise.I don't think you are "wrong" for expressing your opinion, I just think you have not completely thought this out. How much do you think it would cost you to fly, and stay, somewhere to have an appointment with a doctor who was an expert in the illness you had? And that would be for one consultation. Think about the costs involved and you will quickly conclude that with Dr. Grim's extraordinary knowledge and a years consultation included,

$500 is peanuts.DianneSubject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. GrimTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 1:27 PM

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

AMEN SISTER

Subject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. GrimTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 1:27 PM

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk. I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better

forum solution.Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

[Guest guest]

You don't even have to wait to see what happens in Wash, I live in a border

state (with Canada) and as a tour bus operator we often took groups north. I

don't remember many/any step-on-guides extolling the virtues of government run

HC!

- 64 yo morb. ob. male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank &

testicle pain. I have decided against an adrenalectomy at this time since

Meds. are working so well. Current BP(last week ave): 123/71

Other Issues/Opportunities: COPD w/ft Oxygen, OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2.

and PTSD

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Mirtazapine 15 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG,

81mg asprin, Metformin 2000MG and Spironolactone 75 MG.

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> >  

> > >Dear Max,

> > >

> > >

> > >If you don't like this group, don't use it. It's so simple! 

> > >

> > >

> > >All of us here, about 600 people, also have a health insurance and also pay

our premiums. But if you have read carefully our postings, you could figure out,

that it's Dr. Grim who literally very often saves our life, not the doctors who

we pay and who are paid by insurance to take care of us.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >And I personally would be very happy to give any useful data for Dr. Grim's

research if it helps him to help all of us. 

> > >

> > >

> > >A lot of people here are tremendously grateful to Dr. Grim and to all of us

in this group who share their health problems, knowledge, intuition, and 

experience, and don't worry too much about their privacy, reputation and money.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >Natalia

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >________________________________

> > >From: Max <pa@>

> > >To: hyperaldosteronism

> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:27 PM

> > >Subject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested

repeatedly by Dr. Grim

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of

people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for

research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff

for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to

do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so

people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this

free Yahoo junk.

> > >

> > >I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a

ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though

medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal

identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo

internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the

data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a

better forum solution.

> > >

> > >Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I

pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The

price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this

site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from

each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my

account and I will go away.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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I prefer the term civilized not socialized but will not comment more. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Thank you. I would vote for the universal health care :-) Does it mean that I am rather a socialist? To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:23 PMSubject: Re: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. Grim

Well said from a new capitalist. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Dear Max,If you don't like this group, don't use it. It's so simple! All of us here, about 600 people, also have a health insurance and also pay our premiums. But if you have read carefully our postings, you could figure out, that it's Dr. Grim who literally very often saves our life, not the doctors who we pay and who are paid by insurance to take care of us. And I personally would be very happy to give any useful data for Dr. Grim's research if it helps him to help all of us. A lot of people here are tremendously grateful to Dr. Grim and to all of us in this group who share their

health problems,

knowledge, intuition, and experience, and don't worry too much about their privacy, reputation and money. Sincerely,NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:27 PMSubject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. Grim

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

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We are not really doing any systematic research here. Wish we could but are not really set up to do even ideal data gathering. We could make a real contribution if we had the resources. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

As far as I am concerned Dr. Grim is more than welcome to my medical data for any research he does and I was delighted that he was available for hire to help me with my case. His fee has already been more than paid for with the drastic reductions in my costs for useless medications, but more than that I might not be here if he hadn't been available to guide my no-nothing doctors. Let's review the choices: Big stroke/dead vs. $500. Mmnnn, what to choose? Obviously I'm being sarcastic here, but Dr. Grim has probably saved my life. What do I care that it's not reimbursable from insurance? Even though I've paid the $500, I am the one who still owes Dr. Grim a debt of gratitude. If that can be repaid in some small measure by my public posting of lab results and personal or statistical information, he is welcome to it. If it can be used to

help someone else, great. Compared to the downward spiral that my life was in pre-Grim, letting others have access to some of my information is nothing.If this was a virtual "legitimate medical clinic" how would most of us have found Dr. Grim's site? Most would probably still be suffering because we wouldn't have been able to access his "clinic". The information connecting our symptoms with PA wouldn't be public enough for us to find and connect it to his expertise.I don't think you are "wrong" for expressing your opinion, I just think you have not completely thought this out. How much do you think it would cost you to fly, and stay, somewhere to have an appointment with a doctor who was an expert in the illness you had? And that would be for one consultation. Think about the costs involved and you will quickly conclude that with Dr. Grim's extraordinary knowledge and a years consultation included,

$500 is peanuts.DianneSubject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested repeatedly by Dr. GrimTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 1:27 PM

While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this free Yahoo junk.

I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a better forum solution.

Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and I will go away.

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Dr Grim could do something like this.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/health/interactive-md-of-boca-raton-offers-videocon\

ferencing-between-892434.html

Membership ranges from $9.99 a month for a single plan to $24.99 a month for a

family plan. Wellness tests and diagnostic consultations are separate costs.

There is a one-time $15 enrollment fee.

Insurance: No health insurance is needed to participate. Depending on health

insurance plan and telemedicine treatment, Aetna and Cigna will reimburse

patients with receipt of service.

> >

> >

> > Subject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested

repeatedly by Dr. Grim

> > To: hyperaldosteronism

> > Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 1:27 PM

> >

> >

> > While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of

people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for

research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff

for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to

do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so

people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this

free Yahoo junk.

> >

> > I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a

ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though

medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal

identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo

internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the

data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a

better forum solution.

> >

> > Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I

pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The

price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this

site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from

each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my

account and I will go away.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

State lawmakers approve insurance mandate for telemedicine

March 8, 2010 — 1:24pm ET | By Neil Versel

The Virginia State Legislature last week unanimously approved legislation that

would make the state the 12th in the nation to mandate insurance coverage for

telemedicine services. The bill, sponsored by state Sen. Wampler Jr.

(R-Bristol), calls on health insurance companies, HMOs and healthcare

subscription plans to provide full coverage for telemedicine services, defined

as interactive audio, video or other electronic media for the purpose of medical

diagnosis, consultation or treatment. Insurers are allowed to perform

utilization review to determine whether telemedicine is appropriate in specific

cases.

" This is one more indication that telemedicine is now fully accepted by

providers, policy makers, consumers and insurers as an important way to increase

access, improve quality and reduce costs in the delivery of healthcare " American

Telemedicine Association CEO D. Linkous says in a press release. The

current ATA president is Dr. Rheuban, medical director of the Office of

Telemedicine at the University of Virginia. In the same statement, Rheuban

thanked the " leaders of the state legislature who have taken the bold step to

improve the lives of the residents of Virginia. "

Once Gov. Bob McDonnell signs the legislation, Virginia will join California,

Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, New Hampshire, Oklahoma,

Oregon and Texas in requiring coverage of telemedicine services, according to

ATA.

> > >

> > > From: Max <pa@>

> > > Subject: Regarding Consulting Fee...requested

repeatedly by Dr. Grim

> > > To: hyperaldosteronism

> > > Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 1:27 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of

people in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for

research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff

for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to

do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so

people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this

free Yahoo junk.

> > >

> > > I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a

ton for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though

medical insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal

identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo

internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the

data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a

better forum solution.

> > >

> > > Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I

pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The

price I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this

site so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from

each of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my

account and I will go away.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have universal government health care.  Being 65, it is the ONLY choice I have.  I've been having a home health care nurse come twice a month to check on my PICC line.  I would be more than happy to have that done in someone's office but there is no service that offers that.  Then, I found out I cannot have it unless it is prescribed by a government (Medicare participating) doctor.  My doctor does not fool with Medicare or any insurance companies.  In fact 42% of Denver physicians will not fool with Medicare.  That certainly limits the selection for Medicare captives.  The common complaint I hear is that " Medicare denies everything " and repeated re-submission is required.  Then, I needed physical therapy after my breast cancer surgery.  I learned that  cannot have physical therapy and home health care at the same time.  Since the physical therapy is imperative, my only choice was to dump the nurse and go it alone on the PICC line.  Then, I just completed a test and was informed that Medicare won't pay for it because it was not ordered by a government physician.  Screwed again.  This is the administration's effort to force all on Medicare into the government model where they can ration health care.  They cannot ration me if I see a private doctor.  How long before private doctors will be illegal?  There is nothing civilized about the trauma Medicare has caused me. Again, I have universal health care and my out-of-pocket is much more than it was when I was allowed to CHOOSE private insurance.  My premium is also $100 higher.  Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim I prefer the term civilized not socialized but will not comment more. I would vote for the universal health care :-) Does it mean that I am rather a socialist? .

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grim is welcome to my records and history, as are you all. Or anyone, researcher or not who reads the posts. That's kinda' the whole point of a group. I learn every time I browse through the posts.

But living life on two Social Security checks makes me very wary of every new expenditure. Since I am under adequate control these days, I wouldn't invest more than my time and records.

[Guest guest]

Question How much do you spend on one visit to your mechanic? Bet not much less

then $500. Why then do we choose to spend less money to get our car fixed then

getting our health back?

If I could get one of the Dr. I see at the VA I go to to work with Dr Grim I

would pay the $500.

>

> Dr. Grim is welcome to my records and history, as are you all. Or

> anyone, researcher or not who reads the posts. That's kinda' the whole point

> of a group. I learn every time I browse through the posts.

> But living life on two Social Security checks makes me very wary of every

> new expenditure. Since I am under adequate control these days, I wouldn't

> invest more than my time and records.

>

[Guest guest]

That should be more money to get our car fixed then getting our health back

> >

> > Dr. Grim is welcome to my records and history, as are you all. Or

> > anyone, researcher or not who reads the posts. That's kinda' the whole point

> > of a group. I learn every time I browse through the posts.

> > But living life on two Social Security checks makes me very wary of every

> > new expenditure. Since I am under adequate control these days, I wouldn't

> > invest more than my time and records.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If one chooses to put there personal name on here then then we indeed can know a

lot about you here. This is your choice to do so. If you do not put this

information on here we do not know who you are and while lab and other

information that is shared are just information to us with no way to know who

you are.

>

> While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people

in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for

research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff

for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to

do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so

people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this

free Yahoo junk.

>

> I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton

for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical

insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal

identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo

internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the

data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a

better forum solution.

>

> Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay

insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price

I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site

so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each

of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and

I will go away.

>

[Guest guest]

Max

Hi I hope you are ok.

First of all we know you have no idea about medical information or anything like

that,if you knew that you would know that all of us giving information is NOT

information that can be used in a research, most information is incomplete, like

my Aldosterone is 500 ! ( 500 what ? grams/l, mg/dl, ng/ml ? ) just with that

data, no one can use the information, that is if we assume the information is

TRUE, and we have no idea if people just lie.

If I'm not mistaken Dr Grimm has a legitimate clinic, he works where he lives,

and I suppose you could go there and arrange for him to be your physician, but

doing stuff over the net is very cheap no ? oh wait it's not cheap it's free ! (

and going to Dr Grimm would cost more than 500$ right ? )

The free Yahoo! junk, I think that if you do not like this free junk you are

more than welcome to make a real forum, pay for monthly hosting, take charge of

adding people, removing them, keeping the website secure from hackers, and keep

people information secure, or as secure as possible,but oh wait that would mean

that we all would need to pay for a system administrator, and those are not

cheap, but I guess your insurance could pay for that, or maybe they do not ? ( I

have no idea I do not live in USA ) -I guess you forgot, not everyone in the

world is from USA ! - big oops there, because people like me get help from far

far away, and in my case it's not cause there are bad doctors where I live, it's

because I have another condition so I can't really go out -

Now you pay insurance premiums to compensate doctors, great !, then go to the

doctors that your insurance approve of, but I guess you are here because they

are not as good as you wish, and they do not have 40-50 years of experience with

your condition, but oh... Dr Grimm does ! he is a specialist of your condition !

and he is giving you advice for free, HE REALLY IS A MEAN PERSON... ( sorry not

for free, you give your golden personal data, for a research that can't be done,

and if it was done not even one serious medical journal would touch it with a 10

foot pole )

Now you post your information online for others to see, but they do the same, I

guess there's a really HUGE group of people where you live with

hyperaldosteronism, that can tell you real patient information about what's like

to have this, how does it feel to take x or y medication how does diet helps,

but again, my bad, hyperaldosteronism is not a very common condition so without

this group and everyone posting their personal information you would " fly

blindly " into your treatment, without any prior knowledge, of how medications

work, when to take them, what to expect, if this or that is normal or abnormal.

( or even educate the Mds that your insurance provide )

About information, just google articles, then read them, most of the time you

have to pay for full article access, and those are not cheap, 40-50$ per

article, but here, in crappy yahoo! we have a full library on hyperaldosteronism

for free !!!! - damn yahoo! -

And about canceling your account, no don't do that, by no means please do not,

we need to be reminded there are ingrate people, in the world that do not

appreciate the work, help, and care that others can give them for free.

You have a nice day. thank you for the reminder.

>

> While I realize you are not asking for a ton of money, you have alot of people

in here freely giving you all kinds of data that you can use for

research...profiles, medical test results, first hand accounts, all golden stuff

for research. I really think if you want compensation then I think you need to

do what is necessary to create a legitimate medical clinic (even if virtual) so

people can use their insurance. Also then get a real forum and get rid of this

free Yahoo junk.

>

> I do not object to paying you though my insurance...which i already pay a ton

for...so, do what is needed to make yourself a billable doctor though medical

insurance. You might also want to think about securing peoples personal

identification and health information that they are freely posting on a yahoo

internet site. You could be exposing yourself to a financial nightmare if the

data gets accessed by a bot or even someone on the inside...another reason for a

better forum solution.

>

> Sorry if that angers anyone. I appreciate what i have learned here, but I pay

insurance premiums to compensate doctors and see this as no different. The price

I pay for some advice here is to broadcast my personal info all over this site

so others can learn from what I am going through the same as I learn from each

of you. If you think I am wrong for saying that, then just cancel my account and

I will go away.

>