Re: Re: air conditioner - service? CARL

[Guest guest]

My air is in furnace housing with separate

compressor. I can see the coils easily but only

the top of them. The whole air handling system

is very old, like 28 years I believe, a

on Five-in-One. It's like a work horse,

still going. However a/c tray is very very rusty

but it is bright red/orange rust, nothing

brownish or blackish. There is no way to see

behind the cables. Original owner and myself

have it serviced every year. Seems in good

condition. Should I get new coils since they are

rusty or should I look further to see if a

problem exists that is not visible from top. I

bought a germicidal light that they put in there

but not because I noticed a problem but because

that is where they suggested it would be best to

put it. I know there is controversy over whether

they are helpful but I already have it. Not sure

if it has helped or not.

--- " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

> > This sounds logical but I guess it wasn't

> > apparent since a furnace doesn't dump cold

> air

> >

[Guest guest]

I must have been tired when I typed this. I meant

to say that 'there is no way to see behind

COILS', looking for possible mold. I think they

are okay but can only see top of them.

Other thing I mistyped was I asked should I get

new coils since they are rusty...I meant since

pan under them is rusty. Coils are fine but drip

pan is solid with rust.

--- bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

> > rusty

> but it is bright red/orange rust, nothing

> brownish or blackish. There is no way to see

> behind the cables. Original owner and myself

> have it serviced every year. Seems in good

> condition. Should I get new coils since they

> are

> rusty

[Guest guest]

i SPRAY THE HELL OUT OF THE COILS WHERE i CAN GET. i WAS USING WHITE VINEGAR

BUT THIS TIME USED HYDROGEN PEROXIDE. hOPE THAT WORKS TOO.

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I would not spend any money on a drip pan unless it's leaking, or

going to leak or it has visible mold on it.

Germicidal lights may not be very effective in cleansing the air

traveling though the ducts but they might just keep growth off of

your coils if the coils have excellent exposure to the UV rays. Which

will be difficult if at all possible on the back side of the coils.

My experience with coils is that they can grow a colony that produces

toxins that make me sick in about 24 hours. If I were to let this go

for a week I would be totally bed ridden from symptoms caused by mold

growing in the ac coils.

Thus I cleaned my unit every day and rotated between the ceiling unit

on my trailer and the wall unit in the window that seemed to deal the

final blow to the mold on the coils was to let the coils dry for as

long as possible before using them. I don't know why this is but I

experienced this several times and than started implementing the

practice of allowing the units to dry out in between uses. It would be

great if manufactures would put heating units in the coils similar to

what they do in refrigerators that would heat the coils in between

cycles to remove the moisture and break the mold growth cycle before

it can get a hold.

Of course this cleaning every 24 hours is going to be impractical for

most people, I am just stating observations I have made in my own

experiences and not telling others to do what I was doing.

Central units like yours with high filtration might be different but I

am dubious because it only takes a few spores to start an entire

colony.

I think your over doing it with turning your unit way down to the

point where you have to wear a jacket. I would not set the unit below

70 degrees. I personally kept mine at around 78 and kept the humidity

low enough if my trailer to slow the mold growth in my trailer to the

point where it was tolerable inside of it.

[Guest guest]

this is a great subject Ac is becoming more and more dangerous it so bad it burn

my skin, eyes, bad headache, Stomach problems, bad tast in the mouth, cripple

me, the one where I live does that if I put it on. Slum Landlord under HUD this

is what happens the Condo example finds out there's mold one of the owners get a

job at HUD and put those people in. if the people complain eviction by mold they

have their Attorneys and their Judge and legal Aid don't bother to go there.

HUD say 60 days to move no help suffering from HUD Mold having MCS go figure

Example above :-)

Peace

Elvira

Re: [] Re: air conditioner - service? CARL

My air is in furnace housing with separate

compressor. I can see the coils easily but only

the top of them. The whole air handling system

is very old, like 28 years I believe, a

on Five-in-One. It's like a work horse,

still going. However a/c tray is very very rusty

but it is bright red/orange rust, nothing

brownish or blackish. There is no way to see

behind the cables. Original owner and myself

have it serviced every year. Seems in good

condition. Should I get new coils since they are

rusty or should I look further to see if a

problem exists that is not visible from top. I

bought a germicidal light that they put in there

but not because I noticed a problem but because

that is where they suggested it would be best to

put it. I know there is controversy over whether

they are helpful but I already have it. Not sure

if it has helped or not.

--- " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

> > This sounds logical but I guess it wasn't

> > apparent since a furnace doesn't dump cold

> air

> >

[Guest guest]

Catching up on old mail still.

Carl, if freon or other gas is used as

refrigerant in central air, is it an indoor air

contaminant? Which also makes me wonder about

refrigerators and freezers now. Do they use

something like freon and doesn't it contaminate

indoor air?

--- " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

>

> Both window units and " furnace " units use two

> different coils

> connected by a " pipe " of freon (actually a

> different refrigerant is

> now used). One coil cools inside air and the

> other gets rid of the

> heat by heating the outside air.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Go to http://techalive.mtu.edu/meec/module13/AirConditioning.htm and

watch the animation. Freon is no longer used but for the sake of

brevity that's how I'll refer to it. The freon is what is in the

tubing labeled variously as cool gas, hot gas, cool liquid. It can't

be in the air unless the tubing leaks.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Catching up on old mail still.

> Carl, if freon or other gas is used as

> refrigerant in central air, is it an indoor air

> contaminant? Which also makes me wonder about

> refrigerators and freezers now. Do they use

> something like freon and doesn't it contaminate

> indoor air?

>

> --- " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Both window units and " furnace " units use two

> > different coils

> > connected by a " pipe " of freon (actually a

> > different refrigerant is

> > now used). One coil cools inside air and the

> > other gets rid of the

> > heat by heating the outside air.

> >

> >

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have never tried this.. but it seems as if it would work.. (Caveat.. I

vagely remember reading at some recent point about a filter product

for ACs that does this but don't remember its name/source.)

So..what about doing high-quality filtering on the inside air BEFORE

it hits the condenser?

That way, the water can still condense out of it, and it can be

cooled, but hopefully there would not be enough food (i.e. particulate

matter..) for the mold to grow on it..

[Guest guest]

Noone is dragging any previous post with them so I don't remember what you are

responding to and what is really bad is I think it was from me...! If I said

something about filter, I meant to put it on grill of air conditioner so it

would filter incoming air before it hits the coils but equipment will vary as to

how much air restriction they can take without overheating so I doubt you could

clean the air to say MERV 11 standards or 14, perhaps MERV 8.

----- Original Message ----

From: LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

Have never tried this.. but it seems as if it would work.. (Caveat.. I

vagely remember reading at some recent point about a filter product

for ACs that does this but don't remember its name/source. )

So..what about doing high-quality filtering on the inside air BEFORE

it hits the condenser?

That way, the water can still condense out of it, and it can be

cooled, but hopefully there would not be enough food (i.e. particulate

matter..) for the mold to grow on it..