Re: Blob or Fetus or Baby - a definition WAS: Embryo Testing

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ravenmagic2003 wrote:

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> What constitutes a baby?

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> Well, whenever a woman or a couple find out they are pregnant, I have

> yet to hear anyone say that they are carrying or expecting a blob of

> tissue or that they are carrying or expecting a fetus. Whether the

> event pleases them or displeases them, they say they are carrying or

> expecting a BABY.

Well about 99% of the time the statement is they are expecting a baby.

" Carrying a baby " is mostly reserved for after the birth. Expecting and

having are very different things so I don't believe you even came close

to answering the question. She is carrying a fetus, they are expecting a

baby.

Ace

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Ace wrote: " " Carrying a baby " is mostly reserved for after the

birth. Expecting and having are very different things so I don't

believe you even came close to answering the question. She is

carrying a fetus, they are expecting a baby. "

You are a man so perhaps this is why you do not know better. I have

been a woman all my life and I have been pregnant. I have also had

many in-depth discussions with other women -- friends, colleagues

and acquaintances as well as strangers -- and the women who are

pregnant all say they are " carrying " a baby.

In fact, many people speak about whether the pregnant woman

is " carrying high " or " carrying low " among other things that speak

loudly to the fact that " carrying a baby " is not mostly reserved for

AFTER the birth. The phrase is used with regards to the pregnancy.

So, Ace, it is you who has not even come close to understanding that

the definition I provided earlier is accurate and exact. Sorry to

disapoint you. ;-)

Raven

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Ace, I don't know about you, but I have had a child and I carried my child for all 8 months, yes he was 1 month early, I threw up the whole time from day one, I can tell you the minute I conseved, so yes I carried my baby for 8 months, would you like a graphic day by day description, I could provide one and may be give you some kind of insite to the experience. I previously carried a baby and lost it, had a d and c afterwards, fairly close to having an abortion, but not quite. It was the worst experince of my life, I could also relay that in detail but I will spare you the experience. It was a baby, not a blob of tissue, not a thing a baby, and yes mothers happen to carry the children. I wish men like you could spend one day in a pregnant womans body to get the full experience, before you expound on it. thank you Bethacsnag@...

wrote: ravenmagic2003 wrote:> > > What constitutes a baby?> > Well, whenever a woman or a couple find out they are pregnant, I have> yet to hear anyone say that they are carrying or expecting a blob of> tissue or that they are carrying or expecting a fetus. Whether the> event pleases them or displeases them, they say they are carrying or> expecting a BABY.Well about 99% of the time the statement is they are expecting a baby. "Carrying a baby" is mostly reserved for after the birth. Expecting and having are very

different things so I don't believe you even came close to answering the question. She is carrying a fetus, they are expecting a baby.Ace

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> " Ace,

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> I don't know about you, but I have had a child and I carried my

child for all 8 months, yes he was 1 month early, I threw up the

whole time from day one, I can tell you the minute I conseved, so yes

I carried my baby for 8 months, would you like a graphic day by day

description, I could provide one and may be give you some kind of

insite to the experience. "

When I was pregnant, I knew it was a boy from early on, at about 2

months in utero. I could 'feel' him and could discern his

personality. Everyone, including my husband said they thought I was

going to have a girl but I knew it was a boy. I lost him at 5 months

so I can't prove what his personality was like but I feel very

strongly about it, just as I did that he was a boy. Never did I think

he was a blob of tissue but a human.

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> " Ace,

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> I don't know about you, but I have had a child and I carried my

child for all 8 months, yes he was 1 month early, I threw up the

whole time from day one, I can tell you the minute I conseved, so yes

I carried my baby for 8 months, would you like a graphic day by day

description, I could provide one and may be give you some kind of

insite to the experience. "

When I was pregnant, I knew it was a boy from early on, at about 2

months in utero. I could 'feel' him and could discern his

personality. Everyone, including my husband said they thought I was

going to have a girl but I knew it was a boy. I lost him at 5 months

so I can't prove what his personality was like but I feel very

strongly about it, just as I did that he was a boy. Never did I think

he was a blob of tissue but a human.

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Thank you , Its nice to know I wasn't the only one really bothered by Ace's statement. Thank you so much for the support and feeling the same way. Bethmikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: >>"Ace,> > I don't know about you, but I have had a child and I carried my child for all 8 months, yes he was 1 month early, I threw up

the whole time from day one, I can tell you the minute I conseved, so yes I carried my baby for 8 months, would you like a graphic day by day description, I could provide one and may be give you some kind of insite to the experience."When I was pregnant, I knew it was a boy from early on, at about 2 months in utero. I could 'feel' him and could discern his personality. Everyone, including my husband said they thought I was going to have a girl but I knew it was a boy. I lost him at 5 months so I can't prove what his personality was like but I feel very strongly about it, just as I did that he was a boy. Never did I think he was a blob of tissue but a human.

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Thank you , Its nice to know I wasn't the only one really bothered by Ace's statement. Thank you so much for the support and feeling the same way. Bethmikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: >>"Ace,> > I don't know about you, but I have had a child and I carried my child for all 8 months, yes he was 1 month early, I threw up

the whole time from day one, I can tell you the minute I conseved, so yes I carried my baby for 8 months, would you like a graphic day by day description, I could provide one and may be give you some kind of insite to the experience."When I was pregnant, I knew it was a boy from early on, at about 2 months in utero. I could 'feel' him and could discern his personality. Everyone, including my husband said they thought I was going to have a girl but I knew it was a boy. I lost him at 5 months so I can't prove what his personality was like but I feel very strongly about it, just as I did that he was a boy. Never did I think he was a blob of tissue but a human.

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On 22 Jun 2006 mikecarrie01 wrote:

> so I can't prove what his personality was like but I feel very

> strongly about it, just as I did that he was a boy. Never did I think

> he was a blob of tissue but a human.

It would be surprising if people didn't typically have those

feelings. If humans didn't have those feelings, they would have

no incentive to keep their babies instead of just tossing them

into the river, or into the next cave or the like.

So it was necessary that we have instincts to care for our young

which begin prior to childbirth.

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On 22 Jun 2006 mikecarrie01 wrote:

> so I can't prove what his personality was like but I feel very

> strongly about it, just as I did that he was a boy. Never did I think

> he was a blob of tissue but a human.

It would be surprising if people didn't typically have those

feelings. If humans didn't have those feelings, they would have

no incentive to keep their babies instead of just tossing them

into the river, or into the next cave or the like.

So it was necessary that we have instincts to care for our young

which begin prior to childbirth.

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> " Thank you , Its nice to know I wasn't the only one really

bothered by Ace's statement. Thank you so much for the support and

feeling the same way. "

You're welcome, Beth. I'm glad I gave you support. As women,

obviously we should have a nurturing instinct, especially for our own

children, no matter how old they are. If we are carrying them we

would likely have this feeling when they are in the womb as well. If

men don't feel it until after the child is born, it is understandable

to a degree. There should be an intellectual understanding, though. I

know many women who find themselves pregnant are in desperate

situations and I feel for them, being a woman myself and knowing how

I would feel in their situation, but I've also seen where women are

depressed and feel really badly about an abortion they had. Feeling

really guilty, seeing children and thinking, my child would be this

age now, etc. I've seen where it's really messed some women up.

That's really sad. They don't feel callous about the 'fetus' that

they got rid of, but pained.

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Again, my post was not intended to become an ethical discussion of abortion. It was meant to inform the group about the progress of genetic screening, particularly since in the past several members have expressed concern over this. That technology does seem to be advancing rapidly. Abortion came up simply because that would be the only "solution" to an imperfect embryo, until viral reprogramming becomes available, and that is another whole troubling line of thought.