Re: Toe-walking = Clubfoot

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I'm not clubfooted, but an uncle of mine was. When I was younger, I did walk on my toes a lot, but not exclusively. Today, my toes tend to point a lot when I'm sitting or lying down. As a result, my tendons and calf muscles are rather tight. I've also got twitches all the time in them, which the doctor doesn't think is a problem and could be related to how tight things are.

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I'm not clubfooted, but an uncle of mine was. When I was younger, I did walk on my toes a lot, but not exclusively. Today, my toes tend to point a lot when I'm sitting or lying down. As a result, my tendons and calf muscles are rather tight. I've also got twitches all the time in them, which the doctor doesn't think is a problem and could be related to how tight things are.

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RE Toe-walking, and the taking on of the name "Clubfoot". Awhile back I had read somewhere a place or two something about a connection between early toe-walking and the chances of later developing autism. In my mind I filed it away as a possibility that DNA-encoded proteins being used in the tendons (particularly the Achilles' Tendon) are also perhaps used in the brain. (Perhaps distorting the shapes of structures in the brain not too dissimilarly to the process by which there is distortion of structures in the foot.) Anyway- I was a terrible toe-walker as a child (around 3 or 4 I think) and developed what podiatristis later told me was a kind of "proto-clubfoot". I don't think that was a technical designation. Rather, it was just a way of saying I almost had a clubfoot. At age 50 I still have an unusual gait, or so people tell

me.... and difficulty finding shoes that fit. There are a lot!... of messages in the archives of this group. Very probably this has been discussed before. Still, just thought I'd share why I took the name Clubfoot. Heph Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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Heph wrote: " There are a lot!... of messages in the archives of this

group. Very probably this has been discussed before. Still, just

thought I'd share why I took the name Clubfoot. "

I find the story of how you took our name very interesting. I think

most people take their online name for specific reasons (other than

the registration engine has made a suggestion and they are unable to

think of something better at the time).

Being a Métis, I chose my name based on my culture and my name

therein. Of course, my AS boyfriend has since named me otherwise but

I think I will stay with Raven online and keep the other nickname

offline. ;-)

Raven

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Heph wrote: " There are a lot!... of messages in the archives of this

group. Very probably this has been discussed before. Still, just

thought I'd share why I took the name Clubfoot. "

I find the story of how you took our name very interesting. I think

most people take their online name for specific reasons (other than

the registration engine has made a suggestion and they are unable to

think of something better at the time).

Being a Métis, I chose my name based on my culture and my name

therein. Of course, my AS boyfriend has since named me otherwise but

I think I will stay with Raven online and keep the other nickname

offline. ;-)

Raven

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I chose my name because I am an environmentalist. And the

environment comes first. Thus, environmental1st.

Tom

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Re: Toe-walking = Clubfoot

RE Toe-walking, and the taking on of the name " Clubfoot " .

Awhile back I had read somewhere a place or two something about a

connection between early toe-walking and the chances of later

developing autism. In my mind I filed it away as a possibility that

DNA-encoded proteins being used in the tendons (particularly the

Achilles' Tendon) are also perhaps used in the brain. (Perhaps

distorting the shapes of structures in the brain not too

dissimilarly to the process by which there is distortion of

structures in the foot.)

Anyway- I was a terrible toe-walker as a child (around 3 or 4 I

think) and developed what podiatristis later told me was a kind

of " proto-clubfoot " . I don't think that was a technical designation.

Rather, it was just a way of saying I almost had a clubfoot.

At age 50 I still have an unusual gait, or so people tell me....

and difficulty finding shoes that fit.

There are a lot!... of messages in the archives of this group.

Very probably this has been discussed before. Still, just thought

I'd share why I took the name Clubfoot.

Heph

[Guest guest]

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> " Awhile back I had read somewhere a place or two something about a

connection between early toe-walking and the chances of later

developing autism. "

Really? I see quite a few children doing this.

[Guest guest]

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> " Awhile back I had read somewhere a place or two something about a

connection between early toe-walking and the chances of later

developing autism. "

Really? I see quite a few children doing this.

[Guest guest]

RE Toe-walking: This has been a somewhat frustrating search for me. The searches that sound the most promising turn out to require insitutional access which this here university library doesn't afford. Googling using some of my favorite add-on search terms I get... ..."autism toe walking pdf 2006 review journal", 66,500 hits. http://www.google.com/search?q=autism+toe+walking+pdf+2006+review+journal & hl=en & lr= & start=30 & sa=N The most promising search hit I found, pasting from the google page, is- Journal of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry ...Factors Associated With Age of Diagnosis Among Children With Autism Spectrum ... Hand flapping, toe

walking, and sustained odd play were associated with a ...www.jaacap.com/pt/re/jaacap/fulltext.00004583-200606000-00005.htm;jsessionid=GWNYgXw6JN3x10QKVhJVV0bmkSRv... - Similar pages ... But no access to that is available here. If someone is really interested they might try looking it up in their local university or hospital library. I suspect the difficulty here is that when it comes to diagnostic criteria researchers practice a great deal of "keeping secrets" (!?) ...I suspect they have a strong sense that people will tend to see what they expect to see, biasing the information flow. A very interesting overall article where walking along a straight line is mentioned as one of the tests involved in doing autism research is here (see

links below and pdf attached in case you can't access..). http://www.springerlink.com/content/40723k6354t6j7x2/fulltext.pdf http://www.springerlink.com/content/40723k6354t6j7x2/ The 2D:4D hand digit ratios discussed there on the second column of page 230 (as foetal hormone proxy and approximate measures) are especially interesting in the context of Simon's idea of applying the well established evolutionary biology principle of assortative mating/affiliation to ASD. http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/baron-cohen05/baron-cohen05_index.html I have only glanced over the paper,

so to speak.... My guess is that freshmen phd students might spend most of a day reading a paper of this density! I definitely plan on spending a couple of hours on it sometime this week. The paper is ostensibly about motion and motion detection- So it also relates some to another thread about catching falling objects. And although the paper seems to take the position that on average ASDs are slower, my intuition is that there could be a sub-group that is faster. (Less interference from non-visual etcetera parts of the brain.) Heph mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: >>"Awhile back I had read somewhere a place or two something about a connection between early toe-walking and the chances of later developing autism."Really? I see quite a few children doing this.Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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RE Toe-walking: This has been a somewhat frustrating search for me. The searches that sound the most promising turn out to require insitutional access which this here university library doesn't afford. Googling using some of my favorite add-on search terms I get... ..."autism toe walking pdf 2006 review journal", 66,500 hits. http://www.google.com/search?q=autism+toe+walking+pdf+2006+review+journal & hl=en & lr= & start=30 & sa=N The most promising search hit I found, pasting from the google page, is- Journal of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry ...Factors Associated With Age of Diagnosis Among Children With Autism Spectrum ... Hand flapping, toe

walking, and sustained odd play were associated with a ...www.jaacap.com/pt/re/jaacap/fulltext.00004583-200606000-00005.htm;jsessionid=GWNYgXw6JN3x10QKVhJVV0bmkSRv... - Similar pages ... But no access to that is available here. If someone is really interested they might try looking it up in their local university or hospital library. I suspect the difficulty here is that when it comes to diagnostic criteria researchers practice a great deal of "keeping secrets" (!?) ...I suspect they have a strong sense that people will tend to see what they expect to see, biasing the information flow. A very interesting overall article where walking along a straight line is mentioned as one of the tests involved in doing autism research is here (see

links below and pdf attached in case you can't access..). http://www.springerlink.com/content/40723k6354t6j7x2/fulltext.pdf http://www.springerlink.com/content/40723k6354t6j7x2/ The 2D:4D hand digit ratios discussed there on the second column of page 230 (as foetal hormone proxy and approximate measures) are especially interesting in the context of Simon's idea of applying the well established evolutionary biology principle of assortative mating/affiliation to ASD. http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/baron-cohen05/baron-cohen05_index.html I have only glanced over the paper,

so to speak.... My guess is that freshmen phd students might spend most of a day reading a paper of this density! I definitely plan on spending a couple of hours on it sometime this week. The paper is ostensibly about motion and motion detection- So it also relates some to another thread about catching falling objects. And although the paper seems to take the position that on average ASDs are slower, my intuition is that there could be a sub-group that is faster. (Less interference from non-visual etcetera parts of the brain.) Heph mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: >>"Awhile back I had read somewhere a place or two something about a connection between early toe-walking and the chances of later developing autism."Really? I see quite a few children doing this.Hephaestus Clubfoothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestushttp://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hephaestus.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabeiroi

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