Re: eeeeek! the diagnosis, very horrid!! eeeeeek!

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Wait a sec. Just out of curiosity, what is the title of your new diagnsosi? I was tested as a college junior for why my studies were a problem. I graduated my the skinof my teeth. My first diagnosis was Language Integration Disorder with a mild form of ADD. With what I know now about AS, her label and designations seems more than a bit off.maYa <crna_kuna@...> wrote: the diagnosis.. sh**p! she doesn't want to label me ASS, instead she labels me AvPD! tnx a lot! Not >( I'm not happy with this at all!!

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> " Now she says I have this super weak ego which disintegrates when

> people get angry at me and I border on psychosis because of that and

> I should do therapy. dammit. I need a job and a house and structure

> and certainty and clarity and then I will be less fearful of the

> future and worry less and I'll be happier then, a lot happier!! "

I really dislike how many therapists want to slap on a diagnosis-

they'll look for one in anyone, given the chance. I think therapy is

good in many situations but often it can keep people stuck there and

sometimes make things worse instead of moving forward with practical

help, like you say you want!

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How about waiting until after you have got the scene's backing in some

way, such as from a local group if one is available, for your

aspieness, and for your mental health too,

before going to any doctor just to get the rubber-stamp? You don't

then have to accept any no. Nor can he make you take any therapy.

> the diagnosis.. sh**p! she doesn't want to label me ASS, instead she

> labels me AvPD! tnx a lot! Not >(

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> I'm not happy with this at all!!

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http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/15/perception.htm Here is an article on some of the ways in which PR manipulates everyone. Ever notice the people who watch CNN all the time are manipulative, depressed or live in isolation? maurice <megaknee@...> wrote: How about waiting until after you have got the scene's backing in someway, such as from a local group if one is available, for youraspieness, and for your mental health too,before going to any doctor just to get the rubber-stamp? You don'tthen have to accept any no. Nor can he make you take any therapy. > the diagnosis.. sh**p! she doesn't want to label me ASS, instead she > labels me AvPD! tnx a lot! Not >( > > I'm not happy with this at all!!

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Good article... but it only condemns big business for " PR " ,

" Spin Doctoring " , " Using Smoke and Mirrors " to

manipulate people and control their actions... ALL organizations, special

interest groups use those tactics...

Also if you look at the diagnostic marker for Aspie, AvPD, Schizoid PD,

and a host of others... they are all nearly identical... and all include

the weasel words " Except when 'fill in the blank' is

present. " Aspie is pretty muck the new Dx on the list so many

clinical service providers don't know enough about Aspie to discriminate

between it and a diagnosis that has been around longer...

Ender

At 03:29 PM 5/30/2006, you wrote:

http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/15/perception.htm

Here is an article on some of the ways in which PR manipulates everyone.

Ever notice the people who watch CNN all the time are manipulative,

depressed or live in isolation?

maurice <megaknee@...> wrote:

How about waiting until after you have got the scene's backing in

some

way, such as from a local group if one is available, for your

aspieness, and for your mental health too,

before going to any doctor just to get the rubber-stamp? You

don't

then have to accept any no. Nor can he make you take any

therapy.

> the diagnosis.. sh**p! she doesn't want to label me ASS, instead

she

> labels me AvPD! tnx a lot! Not >(

>

> I'm not happy with this at all!!

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Yes, all organizations use them. Alot of people are not able to understand the concept of PR and that's why there's a balancing effect. Some of the organizations happen to sell an item that is of quality to the human body or emotions. "If the United States had been divided into countries like the Middle East the United States would be war-torn" is the reigning thought-rape of the day I would venture to guess. I'm guessing the United States is united to give the people less power over the economy and the corporations a necessity for the illusion of uniformity. Certain religious interpretations are inherent in the human mind only because of the thought rape from the people in positions of authority. The moment someone has their own thought it is taken and judged by devils (people in authority). Alot of religions say God is a judge. It looks to me that the prisons and jail systems are working partly. Then there's people like Martha who, if they have enough money

can live in a condominium for six or however many months. There are many people who have a compulsion to commit robberies or any other type of crime for that matter and if they do it enough are sent to supermax prisons with only a tennis ball and an exercise bike in an isolated room to go to 15 minutes a day. They aren't rehabilitated and they aren't put in trade programs. Their cells are comprised only of a toilet and a bed, nothing else. For the rest of their lives they'll live like that and not even have the choice of killing themselves. Anarchy sounds like a better option. I'm guessing restlessness is what drives humans to trouble and extinction eventually. Ender <ender@...> wrote: Good article... but it only condemns big business for "PR", "Spin Doctoring", "Using Smoke and Mirrors" to manipulate

people and control their actions... ALL organizations, special interest groups use those tactics...Also if you look at the diagnostic marker for Aspie, AvPD, Schizoid PD, and a host of others... they are all nearly identical... and all include the weasel words "Except when 'fill in the blank' is present." Aspie is pretty muck the new Dx on the list so many clinical service providers don't know enough about Aspie to discriminate between it and a diagnosis that has been around longer...EnderAt 03:29 PM 5/30/2006, you wrote: http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/15/perception.htm Here is an article on some of the ways in which PR manipulates everyone. Ever notice the people who watch CNN all the time are manipulative, depressed or live in isolation? maurice

<megaknee@...> wrote: How about waiting until after you have got the scene's backing in some way, such as from a local group if one is available, for your aspieness, and for your mental health too, before going to any doctor just to get the rubber-stamp? You don't then have to accept any no. Nor can he make you take any therapy. > the diagnosis.. sh**p! she doesn't want to label me ASS, instead she > labels me AvPD! tnx a lot! Not >( > > I'm not happy with this at all!! FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

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In a message dated 5/31/2006 12:35:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, drumthis2001@... writes:

Yes, all organizations use them. Alot of people are not able to understand the concept of PR and that's why there's a balancing effect. Some of the organizations happen to sell an item that is of quality to the human body or emotions. "If the United States had been divided into countries like the Middle East the United States would be war-torn" is the reigning thought-rape of the day I would venture to guess.

Yes, all agencies, entities and people use PR to present the best image possible. That's just the way it is.

I think the second part is overstated, that saying the US would be war torn if divided into small states like the Middle East. Using history as a guide, we probably would be. History shows that the smaller the state, the more likely it is to go to war. Tribal societies tend to be involved in several skirmishes and a few pitched battles every year. Fuedal level kingdoms rather less, and large nations, especially democracies, it can be years between small actions and decades between major conflicts. If you can find it, War Before Civilization has some well researched charts and chapters on the frequency of war related to the size of the society.

Now, I do think it likely that a divided US would have been at war several times. Some historic perspective. The North has opposed virtually every war the US has been involved in, unless said war interfered with their trade and business. They opposed the Mexian American War (and indeed refused to fully fund the military, allowing only enough funding for about half the numbers allotted by law) because it wasn't New England that was under threat from Santa , though if he eventually threatened New Orleans he would have severely hampered their Mississippi dependant trade, in which case they would have howled for war.

The only one they really got behind, sort of, was the Civil War. That had the moral sugar coating of ending slavery, but but it was really an economic war. Southerners, a few percent of them, may have owned the slaves and plantations, but it was the Yankee Traders that brought the slaves to the US, Carribean, Etc. (even going so far as to fly under false flags after the trade was banned in 1815, not unlike how most of them fly under the flags of Liberia and other countries now to avoid stiffer US regulations) and shipped the cotton out of the country and goods back to it. The problem was that Southerners preferred goods made in Europe because they were cheaper and of higher quality in general than what was made in the North. The Yankees knew this and passed many tarriffs, quotas and such that limited or heavily taxed this trade in an effort to force the South to sell its goods to the North cheaply but then pay a still higher price for Northern manufactured goods.

I think this is one reason why slavery was maintained for so long, even though the abolitionist movement was much stronger in the South than in the North. Congress was divided between Free and Slave states with the balance carefully maintained. Given the attempts at economic oppression already attempted and passed by the North when things were evenly balanced, the South, even the majority who did not own slaves, feared what would happen if the Free Staters gained too much lead. Because of this, the South took the line of "Slavery Forever" to oppose the North's attempts to make it a second class "milch cow" for its industry. That term, "milch cow" was actually used by one of the Founding Fathers who was one of the many who feared that the industrial North would try to make a virtual colony of the agricultural South. So this fear existed even before there was an United States.

I could go on, but you can see how the PR regarding the Civil War rather cleanly masks the complex truth behind the causes. Had it not been for slavery they would have had a much harder time with this justification. Another bit of PR: Northern states have threatened secession many more times than Southern states. Mere funding over the Mexican American war nearly got them to leave, the extra taxes, low as they were, were seen as too much of a burden to industry. Various taxes and other laws have had many of the scream about secession even to this day. Only thing is, I guess those tiny but noisy states realized that they couldn't foot it on their own so they never have, at least not yet.

So, would the US be a collection of warring states if not united? Definitely.

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In a message dated 6/1/2006 11:07:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, drumthis2001@... writes:

There's a book by Dr Seuss where some creatures get stars and then the others have to get stars because of self-esteem or something or another. You can act any way you want to with any given psychologist and they'll diagnose you accordingly. Whoever told you PDD and AS outrule each other doesn't know what they're talking about. It's one or the other and they have to go with their intuition.

I remember this one. There is movie called Zulu, the sequel to Zulu Dawn and probably and probably the prequel to Zulu Twilight (movies about the Zulu Wars). Zulu focussed on the Battle of Rorke's Drift the day after the Battle of Isandwalah, which was a disastrous defeat for the British and a Pyrrihic victory for the Zulu because they lost so many men. Rorke's drift was a small, unfortified comissary station with a small field hospital, all told about 150 men, many of them sick. They held out against 5,000 Zulu for about a day before the Zulu left.

This movie featured a lot of close in fighting. Naturally with all the squibs flying and spears and bayonettes slashing, there were some injuries. The Zulu tribesemen (yes, actual Zulu tribesmen were playing the Zulu in the movie) who were hurt were given iodine swabs, because the wounds were not more than scratches and didn't need anything more, which left an orange patch on the skin. The other Zulu saw this and thought it was some kind of badge of honor or the like given to just those men. So many of them raised a fuss about this that the director ordered them medical staff to give a swab to anyone who wanted one, just to get filming back underway, that an the presence of several hundred large men armed with spears would tend to get their way.

That's a real life example of the Dr. Suess story.

You also see it all the time in the form of designer lables, shoes and so on. You aren't "in" if you don't have your Tommy Hilfiger or the right Nike shoes.

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> Wait a sec. Just out of curiosity, what is the title of your new

diagnsosi?

it's not one thing really... it's some hybrid diagnosis of several

(supposedly) corelated problems..

I fell over the " Avoidant Personality Disorder " because I see that

only as an effect of trauma, and I was in search for my deeper hidden

self, not the personality (problem) covering it! At least that is how

I see it.

But I'm still brooding over it..

it's not that I really disagree with the diagnosis, it's just sad how

it works then, cause having AvPD means not being allowed to be

diagnosed with AS/PDD (they outrule eachother in the DSM, but I don't

understand why)

And I just really want my neurological difference acknowledged and

accepted as being an integral innate part of me.