Re: Re: OK i am confused (WARNING - some sexual stuff)

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In a message dated 3/21/2006 2:38:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, leif@... writes:

Yep, I think that is the consensus here. Tom, and Raven cannotstand kinky tendencies.

Kinky might be alright, but does have limits. Torturing someone like in those stories, no, that's just horrid. Spanking, while its not something I would do, isn't so bad. But whipping someone, beating them, cutting them, suffocating them, strangling them? That just has no redeeming value at all.

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In a message dated 3/21/2006 2:52:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, leif@... writes:

You still don't understand. The submissive partner in a BDSMrelationship *enjoys* pain. The dominant partner administerspain to varying degrees to the submissive partner. The two willusually agree to how much pain should be delivered before theystart. There are even professional dominatrixes that *get paid*to beat up masochistic males.

So suppose someone wanted to kill people and found some that were willing to die for that person's pleasure. Wait a minute, we had Jack Kevorkian doing that over here and put him in prison. Germany had a man kill another man, who the murdered claimed was willing, and ate him too. That man got off with a light sentence if I recall correctly.

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In a message dated 3/21/2006 2:52:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, leif@... writes:

You still don't understand. The submissive partner in a BDSMrelationship *enjoys* pain. The dominant partner administerspain to varying degrees to the submissive partner. The two willusually agree to how much pain should be delivered before theystart. There are even professional dominatrixes that *get paid*to beat up masochistic males.

So suppose someone wanted to kill people and found some that were willing to die for that person's pleasure. Wait a minute, we had Jack Kevorkian doing that over here and put him in prison. Germany had a man kill another man, who the murdered claimed was willing, and ate him too. That man got off with a light sentence if I recall correctly.

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In a message dated 3/21/2006 3:36:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, ravenmagic2003@... writes:

I believe that those who participate in BDSM have convinced themselves that they are willing partners.

I think the "willing" suffer from self-esteem and personality issues. Those who do the inflicting have sadistic tendencies and enjoy seeing the pain and humiliation they inflict on others.

We put a person in jail for treating a dog like these people treat each other, even if the dog sat still for it and seemed to enjoy the "attention".

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In a message dated 3/21/2006 3:36:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, ravenmagic2003@... writes:

I believe that those who participate in BDSM have convinced themselves that they are willing partners.

I think the "willing" suffer from self-esteem and personality issues. Those who do the inflicting have sadistic tendencies and enjoy seeing the pain and humiliation they inflict on others.

We put a person in jail for treating a dog like these people treat each other, even if the dog sat still for it and seemed to enjoy the "attention".

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In a message dated 3/21/2006 3:41:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, nathaninfortuna@... writes:

I fail to see the relevency, some people have class the others have a different kind of class. Though the story I read was just disgusting..

I don't think it's a different kind of class. Some people have class and some don't.

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> Mmmmmmmm so now I am confused - having kinky tendencies is wrong?

Yep, I think that is the consensus here. Tom, and Raven cannot

stand kinky tendencies.

> Not sure how far I want to discuss this, but say in a loving

> relationship the guy wanted to be spanked a bit - not real hard just a

> bit of fooling around - would that be deemed bad/wrong. I could think

> of other examples.

Yes, I'd be interested in what the people condeming BDSM

have to say about men that abuse their partners? This is

not consensual either, but most governments don't

seem to put down very much energy to punish those

men. In some countries a man is even assumed to

beat up his wife. I suppose that is all right, because

it isn't kinky and it is in the best interest of male

genes.

Leif

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Raven:

> I cannot speak for Tom or for . I can only speak for myself.

> I can tell you that it is violence and debasement and humiliation and

> degradation that I cannot stand. That is not the same thing as kinky

> tendencies.

You still don't understand. The submissive partner in a BDSM

relationship *enjoys* pain. The dominant partner administers

pain to varying degrees to the submissive partner. The two will

usually agree to how much pain should be delivered before they

start. There are even professional dominatrixes that *get paid*

to beat up masochistic males.

I can also tell you that humiliation is also part of this equation.

The submissive part *enjoys* being humiliated, whether you

believe it or not.

In short, this is very different from men beating up their

wives because they need to control them.

Leif

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Raven:

> I understand completely what you are saying, Leif. What you do not

> understand is that violence cannot be justified and excused with a

> claim that those involved are 'willing' participants to this

> debauchery.

I think this is where we disagree. You put 'willing' in quotes, indicating

that you probably do not believe that anybody could willingly engage in

such things, but you are wrong. There are people that are willingly

engaging. If you don't believe me, just put BDSM in your

search engine, and I'm sure you will find stories that can confirm what

I write.

Leif

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I fail to see the relevency, some people have class the others have a different kind of class. Though the story I read was just disgusting..Whats this about wife beating, some males are psychopathic abusers, some women do the same to guys and let's perhaps mention the abuse of those who are disabled for even less relevecy to divert the topic further.Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote: : > Mmmmmmmm so now I am confused - having kinky tendencies is wrong? Yep, I think that is the consensus here. Tom, and Raven cannot stand kinky tendencies. > Not sure how far I want to discuss this, but say in a loving > relationship the guy wanted to be spanked a bit - not real hard just a > bit of fooling around - would that be deemed bad/wrong. I could think > of other

examples. Yes, I'd be interested in what the people condeming BDSM have to say about men that abuse their partners? This is not consensual either, but most governments don't seem to put down very much energy to punish those men. In some countries a man is even assumed to beat up his wife. I suppose that is all right, because it isn't kinky and it is in the best interest of male genes. LeifNew Songhttp://www.aspergershosting.com/audio/Onwah.wma

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A.P & A.F.F are essentially the same, however bonnie having these sex stories and tasteless items shows a personality that I could not feel comfortable working with. Aside from this, their politic is anti-establishment, while quality of life politic must work with establishment. It's essentially a conflict of interests while avoiding the core divisional item in the community of cure vs. non-cure. The psychopathology of how the cure concept effects an individual is relevant to quality of life just as much as the methodologies in which the marketed cure concept is undertaken. There are though, methods in which disagreements despite displayed fetishisms can be excepted and still work towards a quality of life disconjoined unity in part. Bonnie does not at all like you Tom, she thinks you own that review site and claims to have contacted concerning you. It is all

nonsense. Yet these stories are really not for the common audiences, really it works against the point of view just as the Satanist view within the representation of an anti-cure mentality does as well. In some respect anti-cure could be seen as opposing quality of life just as a cure in some "treatment" methodologies has been proven to end life, let alone improve the quality of it. environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: Oh yeah! The original topic! Anyone want to join an autism coalition? Count me in! (Unless AFF or AP are in it.) Tom Administrator I fail to see the relevency, some people have class the others have a different

kind of class. Though the story I read was just disgusting.. Whats this about wife beating, some males are psychopathic abusers, some women do the same to guys and let's perhaps mention the abuse of those who are disabled for even less relevecy to divert the topic further. New

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