Re: Medieval Torture WAS RE. Jack Wild

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I was highly fascinated by anything medieval in my early 20s and read a

thick brick of a book about it, written by some female scholar. Some of the

things they considered normal punishment in those days really turned my

stomach! :-o

(And it was definitely NON-consensual!)

Inger

Medieval Torture WAS RE. Jack Wild

I probably shouldn't have posted this, but when I did a quick search

to find the name for stocks I found all the medieval torture devices

which reminded me of self-mortification, the Spanish inquisition,

things of that nature. Not making a comparison to todays BDSM

exactly, simply noting the amazing amount of time/thought that went

into the discipline of yore.

Jill

> >

> > Jill:

> > " When I start to get depressed, I sing Hakuna Matata, or Python's

> Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, and I can't help but smile. "

> >

> > I bet you would smile even more if you had seen this Swedish

> reality show called Riket, set in the 17th century (complete with

> costumes and all) where the semi-finalists were put into this long

> medieval wood thingy that locks your head and arms

> http://www.commersen.se/riddare/tid/varld2.html (don't know the

> english name for it) to see which of them would last longest and

make

> it to the finals.

> >

> > After an hour or two when they were getting very tired, all of a

> sudden they all started singing " always look on the bri-ight si-ide

> of life... " and bobbing their heads and hands in sync! :-D

> >

> > That image was just too hilarious and now I think of that one

> instead of the original when I hear that song.

> >

> > Inger

> >

>

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Re:

> > ... this long

> > medieval wood thingy that locks your head and arms

> > http://www.commersen.se/riddare/tid/varld2.html (don't know the

> > english name for it)

The " pillory " (pronounced " PILL-uh-ree. " )

There also existed a version for the legs - called the " stocks. "

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

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My last address was on 6107 Pillory Drive... the neighbors were

torturous in their expectations that they could demand that I keep up

the yard exactly how they wanted it, so they would have an easier time

trespassing through it to get to the park behind me, all the while

littering all over the place. I even had several that tried to start

a physical fight with me when I confronted them. If I could have

figured out where to get it and how to cultivate it properly

(preferably so I didn't need to mow the grass at all), I would have

planted poison ivy in my yard so they remembered that it isn't kind to

abuse the rights of privacy, etc. of people simply because their yard

makes it easier to be lazy.

Barring the poison ivy solution, I had been investigating where to get

a good source of fresh horse or cow manure to spread liberally through

the yard to fertilize it: for whatever reason, I have almost zero

sense of smell, and because of allergies, I almost never opened the

windows anyway And in the summer it was too hot and humid most of

the time to not have the AC going anyway, and leaving doors open

wasn't wise, either, from either a security standpoint or a bug

standpoint.

>

> Re:

>

> > > ... this long

> > > medieval wood thingy that locks your head and arms

> > > http://www.commersen.se/riddare/tid/varld2.html (don't know the

> > > english name for it)

>

> The " pillory " (pronounced " PILL-uh-ree. " )

> There also existed a version for the legs - called the " stocks. "

>

>

> Yours for better letters,

> Kate Gladstone

> Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

> handwritingrepair@...

> http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

> 325 South Manning Boulevard

> Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

> telephone 518/482-6763

> AND REMEMBER ...

> you can order books through my site!

> (Amazon.com link -

> I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

>

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Thanks, Kate! Never heard the word before. I love expanding my vocabulary.

Inger

Re: Medieval Torture WAS RE. Jack Wild

Re:

> > ... this long

> > medieval wood thingy that locks your head and arms

> > http://www.commersen.se/riddare/tid/varld2.html (don't know the

> > english name for it)

The " pillory " (pronounced " PILL-uh-ree. " )

There also existed a version for the legs - called the " stocks. "

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

handwritingrepair@...

http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

AND REMEMBER ...

you can order books through my site!

(Amazon.com link -

I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

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Yeah the stuff was pretty horific, what striked me as shocking was

how much the public of the time was so much into it. It was like

hangings and such were public entertainment - and we complain about

TV now.

I suppose humans are just a bloodthirsty lot, certainly when you view

it as a group mentality thing - blood and gore etc is still classed

as entertainment - was in the past and still is now :-(

>

> I was highly fascinated by anything medieval in my early 20s and

read a

> thick brick of a book about it, written by some female scholar.

Some of the

> things they considered normal punishment in those days really

turned my

> stomach! :-o

>

> (And it was definitely NON-consensual!)

>

> Inger

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In a message dated 3/24/2006 8:09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jillipep@... writes:

I probably shouldn't have posted this, but when I did a quick search to find the name for stocks I found all the medieval torture devices which reminded me of self-mortification, the Spanish inquisition, things of that nature. Not making a comparison to todays BDSM exactly, simply noting the amazing amount of time/thought that went into the discipline of yore.Jill

I was going to comment on that previous post. Medieval tortures used some of the same principles as BDSM, or vice versa, but they were meant to inflict pain or even death as the reason to be.

Some of them were actually pretty terrifying, those from around the world as well as those from Europe. Places that lacked technical ability made up with it with sheer cruelty as best they could. No culture was left out.

Related to another post, just reading is quite different from seeing this stuff done. Now, I've never tried any of these wide variety of things on a person, but I have done visual exercises as if I were as an experiment. In theory from the reading it seems that some people might deserve some of the treatment, but actually visualizing it like that, that gives you a whole different perspecitve. At least I know that in theory or in anger I might think about doing horrible tings to a person, but in reality I know that I could not. Kill someone in a fight almost certainly, but do that some of that stuff, no way.

If you really want to get an idea of just what went on, try to find a copy of Pleasures of the Torture Chamber and there is one on execution methods too. I've got both around here somewhere, which I bought years ago as research for my writing. However, after reading and visualizing some of that, I refrained from having a character captured character subjected to a round in the torture chamber.

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Fantastic, thanks for that, Kate!

BTW, I went to your site---very impressive. Wow. I've always had

a fascination with handwriting, thanks to my lefthanded difficulties

(but you know all about us Southpaws and our problems, so no need to

go into all that). You must be helping a great many people with your

work.

:-)

Jill

>

> Re:

>

> > > ... this long

> > > medieval wood thingy that locks your head and arms

> > > http://www.commersen.se/riddare/tid/varld2.html (don't know the

> > > english name for it)

>

> The " pillory " (pronounced " PILL-uh-ree. " )

> There also existed a version for the legs - called the " stocks. "

>

>

> Yours for better letters,

> Kate Gladstone

> Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

> handwritingrepair@...

> http://learn.to/handwrite,

http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

> 325 South Manning Boulevard

> Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

> telephone 518/482-6763

> AND REMEMBER ...

> you can order books through my site!

> (Amazon.com link -

> I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

>

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Re:

> Fantastic, thanks for that, Kate!

> BTW, I went to your site---very impressive. Wow. I've always had

> a fascination with handwriting, thanks to my lefthanded difficulties

> (but you know all about us Southpaws and our problems, so no need to

> go into all that). You must be helping a great many people with your

> work.

Thanks! - one of these days, if you ask, I'll tell you about some of

the weirder incidents that have involved NT people interfering with

this work, or trying to: e.g., a few years ago I met a very NT

dyslexia-specialist who opposed what I do because (said she) " you

enable people with disabilities to appear to write better than they

could actually be writing with their disabilities. "

(I had worked briefly with a dyslexic teen-aged girl that the

tutor had previously worked with over years. When the tutor saw the

teen in the act of writing something in her new handwriting, the tutor

said: " Oh, come on, dear. You *know* you can't possibly be writing

anywhere near that nicely! " - or words to that effect - and tried to

make the girl go back to her old handwriting which [said the tutor]

" is admittedly nowhere near as legible or fast, but is the best that a

person with dyslexia can learn or produce. " I didn't see this happen,

but the mom saw it happen - and both the girl and her mom told me

about it, and noted that the tutor had said this *while* actually

seeing the girl write. They fired the tutor, of course, but the tutor

continues a financially successful career with other families.)

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

handwritingrepair@...

http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

AND REMEMBER ...

you can order books through my site!

(Amazon.com link -

I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

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Re:

> Fantastic, thanks for that, Kate!

> BTW, I went to your site---very impressive. Wow. I've always had

> a fascination with handwriting, thanks to my lefthanded difficulties

> (but you know all about us Southpaws and our problems, so no need to

> go into all that). You must be helping a great many people with your

> work.

Thanks! - one of these days, if you ask, I'll tell you about some of

the weirder incidents that have involved NT people interfering with

this work, or trying to: e.g., a few years ago I met a very NT

dyslexia-specialist who opposed what I do because (said she) " you

enable people with disabilities to appear to write better than they

could actually be writing with their disabilities. "

(I had worked briefly with a dyslexic teen-aged girl that the

tutor had previously worked with over years. When the tutor saw the

teen in the act of writing something in her new handwriting, the tutor

said: " Oh, come on, dear. You *know* you can't possibly be writing

anywhere near that nicely! " - or words to that effect - and tried to

make the girl go back to her old handwriting which [said the tutor]

" is admittedly nowhere near as legible or fast, but is the best that a

person with dyslexia can learn or produce. " I didn't see this happen,

but the mom saw it happen - and both the girl and her mom told me

about it, and noted that the tutor had said this *while* actually

seeing the girl write. They fired the tutor, of course, but the tutor

continues a financially successful career with other families.)

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

handwritingrepair@...

http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

AND REMEMBER ...

you can order books through my site!

(Amazon.com link -

I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

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In a message dated 3/26/2006 3:12:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, jillipep@... writes:

Thank you for the information. Right now, I think it's enough for me to know the small amount I already know! Humans are terribly (emphasis on terribly) creative, aren't we? :-(I doubt that I would be able to write about torture, myself. Glad youdecided against it. Jill

I would not have described it in detail so as not to put myself at legal risk, you never know these days. I have played adventures in different game where if the characters were captured they would face torture. Luckily I managed to keep my characters out of that situation, even though some others on the team weren't so lucky, which necessitated a rescue mission by the free characters.

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>

> I was going to comment on that previous post.

Glad I posted the second post. :-)

> Related to another post, just reading is quite different from

seeing this

> stuff done.

What you have written describes how I feel about the written word

being a way of placing distance between myself and visuals.

> If you really want to get an idea of just what went on, try to find

a copy

> of Pleasures of the Torture Chamber and there is one on execution

methods too.

> I've got both around here somewhere, which I bought years ago as

research for

> my writing. However, after reading and visualizing some of that, I

refrained

> from having a character captured character subjected to a round in

the

> torture chamber.

Thank you for the information. Right now, I think it's enough for me

to know the small amount I already know! Humans are terribly

(emphasis on terribly) creative, aren't we? :-(

I doubt that I would be able to write about torture, myself. Glad you

decided against it.

Jill