Re: muscle pain and Zetia

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Connie, Cholesterol is not a disease... we are born with cholesterol in our bodies. We are not born with statins or drugs from the group known as bile acid sequestrants, to which Zetia (ezetimibe) belongs, sloshing around in our bodies.On January 14th, 2008, the New York Times reported that Zetia was of no value to patients. The drug was supposed to reduce the accretion of the plaques (atherosclerosis) thought to be responsible for cardiac events. If anything, the findings of the study detected an increase in the plaques in the patients taking the drug. Links to articles in the New York Times and the Washington Post:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/business/14cnd-drug.html?emhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011401639.htmlThe following link provides information about Zetia:http://www.drugs.com/zetia.htmlWomen have never been shown to derive ANY benefit from ANY statin therapy and it follows that the benefits to lowering cholesterol levels (in women) are of highly dubious value. In which case, lowering cholesterol levels for women by using Zetia must be similarly useless. It ought to be crystal clear from this news, that your doctor is both dangerously ignorant and criminally negligent.Why do pregnant women have a highly elevated cholesterol level? Why is our brain responsible for utilising about 50% of the body's cholesterol. Why do we feel bad when we lower our cholesterol? Why does our dietary intake of fats and cholesterol not have an effect on the adjustment of our internal cholesterol levels? What happens to the products (heme a, dolichols, ubiquinone/CoQ10 and prenylated proteins) which are also synthesised in mevalonate metabolic pathway along with cholesterol, when we inhibit the synthesis of cholesterol at the beginning of that pathway?Unless your own medical practitioner is both prepared to talk to you about these issues and can give you straight answers to those questions, you are likely to be dealing with a charlatan and a quack... a snake-oil salesman, a criminally negligent medical practitioner... nothing more.We do not die because we have insufficient statins or bile acid sequestrants in our bodies. We die when our cells are programmed to die. You will not extend your life by a single second, beyond the genetically programmed time that your cells start to die. You will very likely shorten that time by messing with your internal bio-chemistry.The take home message is both sad and liberating. We will all die and the medical profession cannot prevent that event. We will survive for the maximum period of time (accidents notwithstanding) if we stop worrying obsessively about the latest health fad from rather too wealthy dolts who claim to be acting in our best interest. If it seems to good to be true, it usually is. Drug companies don't care if you live or you die. They only want your money while you are alive and there will be other customers to replace you, after they have killed you.Enjoy your life, have fun, keep our friends and family close to you, be gentle with yourself and above all... avoid having anything to do with the medical profession and drug companies. Avoid stress and you will most likely live a long and happy life. My cholesterol level is 8.7 and I have never felt better. Kind regards,Jeff On 9 Jan 2009, at 23:00, cls54721 wrote:Thanks for your replies phine and Bobby. I forgot to mention in the first message on this topic, I have been referred to 3 orthopedists and a physiatrist for all this pain and trouble with my elbows and arms. I have had 3 mri's on my right elbow and had 3 cortisone shots there. One ortho told me he had trouble taking Zocor causing muscle pain so he stopped and now he was taking Vytorin. I wonder how he felt after the news about Vytorin last spring. He was probably 10 years younger than I am. And, the podiatrist I see to check my feet, (also because of me being diabetic) this doc said he had trouble with muscle pain while taking Zocor and he just stops taking it for a few weeks, then starts taking it again.Also, had 4 rounds of P/T, which always made things worse. I read on the net somewhere that taking statins makes you exercise intolerant. Just walking about 6 blocks made the top of my thighs sore for weeks. Having diabetes, I am supposed to exercise regularly to help control my blood sugar levels. I wonder if most of these docs don't get labs done regularly, cause many probably have TC levels near 200, especially if they are middle-ged males. Then they could see how we feel taking this crap.Connie> >> > Hello all, Have any of you developed muscle pain while taking > > Zetia? > > > > I was put on Zetia approximately 6 months ago. This doc was an > endo > > I was referred to for hairloss. But he took one look at previous > > labs I brought that were ordered by my gp and said, "you have high > > cholesterol." I said I had to stop 10 mg of Zocor that I had taken > > for about 6 years due to myositis, muscle inflammation. Those lab > > numbers were as follows:> > > > Tri: 127 normal range> > TC: 208 high> > HDL: 49 normal> > LDL: 134 high (According to the lab results paper, the > > desirable range for LDL for patients with CHD or Diabetes is <100 > and > > <70 for diabetic patients with known heart disease.)> > > > I have never had any diagnostic tests that show that I have known > > heart disease. I have had pre-operative tests to monitor my heart > > and always passed these tests. Even my gp wants my LDL below 70. > He > > is the one who originally prescribed the Zocor back in 2001, as > soon > > as my TC went over 200.> > > > I had to stop taking the Zocor 18 months ago when I > > developed "myositis" while doing P/T for tennis elbow. I couldn't > > lift even 10 lb. weights or use the therabands without extreme > buring > > pain in the biceps, also the tennis elbow just got worse, probably > > also from the Zocor. I asked my gp if the sore biceps muscles I > had > > for 4 months after stopping P/T could be due to the Zocor. I had > > seen the commercials for Lipitor that said, "tell your doctor if > you > > develope any unexplained muscle pain or weakness as this could be > > the sign of a serious condition." (Rhabdomyolysis) That's when the > > lightbulb over my head went on. With my gp's permission, I stopped > > the Zocor and the pain started to go away in 3 days.> > > > While taking the Zetia starting in July, I developed lower back and > > neck pain, this was something I had before, but did not associate > it > > with taking statins. After I had my next labs done in October, I > > stopped the Zetia, and the pain in my neck and back started to > > subside.> > > > The endo said taking Zetia should not cause muscle pain like Zocor, > > but the info that he gave me with the Zetia said possible side > > effects include joint pain and muscle aches. I guess the endo > > doesn't read the literature he hands out. Also, on the Zetia.com > > website in states, in bold print:> > > > Unlike some statins, Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart > > disease or heart attacks. > > > > HELLO, WHY AM SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT THEN????????? > > > > I do still have some muscle pains, but not nearly as bad as on any > > kind of cholesterol lowering drugs. I had one doc, a rhuematologist > > tell me "don't forget you are 54 and have diabetes." But if the > pain > > gets better after stopping the drug, I think it's the drug. > > > > Connie> >>

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Connie, I would like to introduce you to 3 valuable websites, where patients

share their

experiences with side effects from drugs consumer to consumer.

Medications.com and askapatient.com are outstanding resources. You will also

find

spacedoc.net very valuable.

Bobby

> > >

> > > Hello all, Have any of you developed muscle pain while taking

> > > Zetia?

> > >

> > > I was put on Zetia approximately 6 months ago. This doc was an

> > endo

> > > I was referred to for hairloss. But he took one look at previous

> > > labs I brought that were ordered by my gp and said, " you have

> high

> > > cholesterol. " I said I had to stop 10 mg of Zocor that I had

> taken

> > > for about 6 years due to myositis, muscle inflammation. Those

> lab

> > > numbers were as follows:

> > >

> > > Tri: 127 normal range

> > > TC: 208 high

> > > HDL: 49 normal

> > > LDL: 134 high (According to the lab results paper, the

> > > desirable range for LDL for patients with CHD or Diabetes is <100

> > and

> > > <70 for diabetic patients with known heart disease.)

> > >

> > > I have never had any diagnostic tests that show that I have known

> > > heart disease. I have had pre-operative tests to monitor my

> heart

> > > and always passed these tests. Even my gp wants my LDL below

> 70.

> > He

> > > is the one who originally prescribed the Zocor back in 2001, as

> > soon

> > > as my TC went over 200.

> > >

> > > I had to stop taking the Zocor 18 months ago when I

> > > developed " myositis " while doing P/T for tennis elbow. I couldn't

> > > lift even 10 lb. weights or use the therabands without extreme

> > buring

> > > pain in the biceps, also the tennis elbow just got worse,

> probably

> > > also from the Zocor. I asked my gp if the sore biceps muscles I

> > had

> > > for 4 months after stopping P/T could be due to the Zocor. I

> had

> > > seen the commercials for Lipitor that said, " tell your doctor if

> > you

> > > develope any unexplained muscle pain or weakness as this could be

> > > the sign of a serious condition. " (Rhabdomyolysis) That's when

> the

> > > lightbulb over my head went on. With my gp's permission, I

> stopped

> > > the Zocor and the pain started to go away in 3 days.

> > >

> > > While taking the Zetia starting in July, I developed lower back

> and

> > > neck pain, this was something I had before, but did not associate

> > it

> > > with taking statins. After I had my next labs done in October, I

> > > stopped the Zetia, and the pain in my neck and back started to

> > > subside.

> > >

> > > The endo said taking Zetia should not cause muscle pain like

> Zocor,

> > > but the info that he gave me with the Zetia said possible side

> > > effects include joint pain and muscle aches. I guess the endo

> > > doesn't read the literature he hands out. Also, on the Zetia.com

> > > website in states, in bold print:

> > >

> > > Unlike some statins, Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart

> > > disease or heart attacks.

> > >

> > > HELLO, WHY AM SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT THEN?????????

> > >

> > > I do still have some muscle pains, but not nearly as bad as on

> any

> > > kind of cholesterol lowering drugs. I had one doc, a

> rhuematologist

> > > tell me " don't forget you are 54 and have diabetes. " But if the

> > pain

> > > gets better after stopping the drug, I think it's the drug.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, I would like to introduce you to 3 valuable websites, where patients

share their

experiences with side effects from drugs consumer to consumer.

Medications.com and askapatient.com are outstanding resources. You will also

find

spacedoc.net very valuable.

Bobby

> > >

> > > Hello all, Have any of you developed muscle pain while taking

> > > Zetia?

> > >

> > > I was put on Zetia approximately 6 months ago. This doc was an

> > endo

> > > I was referred to for hairloss. But he took one look at previous

> > > labs I brought that were ordered by my gp and said, " you have

> high

> > > cholesterol. " I said I had to stop 10 mg of Zocor that I had

> taken

> > > for about 6 years due to myositis, muscle inflammation. Those

> lab

> > > numbers were as follows:

> > >

> > > Tri: 127 normal range

> > > TC: 208 high

> > > HDL: 49 normal

> > > LDL: 134 high (According to the lab results paper, the

> > > desirable range for LDL for patients with CHD or Diabetes is <100

> > and

> > > <70 for diabetic patients with known heart disease.)

> > >

> > > I have never had any diagnostic tests that show that I have known

> > > heart disease. I have had pre-operative tests to monitor my

> heart

> > > and always passed these tests. Even my gp wants my LDL below

> 70.

> > He

> > > is the one who originally prescribed the Zocor back in 2001, as

> > soon

> > > as my TC went over 200.

> > >

> > > I had to stop taking the Zocor 18 months ago when I

> > > developed " myositis " while doing P/T for tennis elbow. I couldn't

> > > lift even 10 lb. weights or use the therabands without extreme

> > buring

> > > pain in the biceps, also the tennis elbow just got worse,

> probably

> > > also from the Zocor. I asked my gp if the sore biceps muscles I

> > had

> > > for 4 months after stopping P/T could be due to the Zocor. I

> had

> > > seen the commercials for Lipitor that said, " tell your doctor if

> > you

> > > develope any unexplained muscle pain or weakness as this could be

> > > the sign of a serious condition. " (Rhabdomyolysis) That's when

> the

> > > lightbulb over my head went on. With my gp's permission, I

> stopped

> > > the Zocor and the pain started to go away in 3 days.

> > >

> > > While taking the Zetia starting in July, I developed lower back

> and

> > > neck pain, this was something I had before, but did not associate

> > it

> > > with taking statins. After I had my next labs done in October, I

> > > stopped the Zetia, and the pain in my neck and back started to

> > > subside.

> > >

> > > The endo said taking Zetia should not cause muscle pain like

> Zocor,

> > > but the info that he gave me with the Zetia said possible side

> > > effects include joint pain and muscle aches. I guess the endo

> > > doesn't read the literature he hands out. Also, on the Zetia.com

> > > website in states, in bold print:

> > >

> > > Unlike some statins, Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart

> > > disease or heart attacks.

> > >

> > > HELLO, WHY AM SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT THEN?????????

> > >

> > > I do still have some muscle pains, but not nearly as bad as on

> any

> > > kind of cholesterol lowering drugs. I had one doc, a

> rhuematologist

> > > tell me " don't forget you are 54 and have diabetes. " But if the

> > pain

> > > gets better after stopping the drug, I think it's the drug.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Connie, a note about LDL cholesterol, the one marketeers call " bad cholesterol "

LDL is a protein that carries cholesterol from your liver to all the tissues in

your body.

LDL is the bus that picks up cholesterol and takes it from your liver to its job

everyday.

Once on the job site, cholesterol goes to work making repairs, giving cells

structural

integrity. Cholesterol is more than a carpenter building strong cell walls, its

also an

electrician maintaining your body's nervous system.

But thats not all. Cholesterol is in the manufacturing business. It makes all

your steroid

hormones. Without cholesterol, there would be no testosterone. Testosterone gets

converted into estradiol. Estradiol gives women their beautiful curves. So guys

reading this

need to thank cholesterol whenever they see a very pretty lady.

Another task of cholesterol is to make Vitamin D. The sun shines on

7-dehyrdocholesterol

in the skin making Vitamin D.

But wait. There is more to cholesterol's resume'. This stuff forms the bile

acids we need

for digestion. I like to get all the benefit from my food I can. Its nice to

know that

cholesterol is there to see i get what I need to digest my food.

Last but not least, Cholesterol is vital to the brain. The brain is the single

organ that

depends most on cholesterol to function properly. ( my friends think I am short

on

cholesterol )

Some people say that LDL cholesterol is a villain and needs to be gotten rid of.

But they all

have something to sell. Statin drugs. They never talk about cholesterol's role

in human

biology. Never.

But I tell you the truth. If we get rid of LDL, and push it low enough, we are

certain to get

the a result. Its called a corps. A cadaver. Because the human body cannot live

without LDL

cholesterol.

> > >

> > > Hello all, Have any of you developed muscle pain while taking

> > > Zetia?

> > >

> > > I was put on Zetia approximately 6 months ago. This doc was an

> > endo

> > > I was referred to for hairloss. But he took one look at previous

> > > labs I brought that were ordered by my gp and said, " you have

> high

> > > cholesterol. " I said I had to stop 10 mg of Zocor that I had

> taken

> > > for about 6 years due to myositis, muscle inflammation. Those

> lab

> > > numbers were as follows:

> > >

> > > Tri: 127 normal range

> > > TC: 208 high

> > > HDL: 49 normal

> > > LDL: 134 high (According to the lab results paper, the

> > > desirable range for LDL for patients with CHD or Diabetes is <100

> > and

> > > <70 for diabetic patients with known heart disease.)

> > >

> > > I have never had any diagnostic tests that show that I have known

> > > heart disease. I have had pre-operative tests to monitor my

> heart

> > > and always passed these tests. Even my gp wants my LDL below

> 70.

> > He

> > > is the one who originally prescribed the Zocor back in 2001, as

> > soon

> > > as my TC went over 200.

> > >

> > > I had to stop taking the Zocor 18 months ago when I

> > > developed " myositis " while doing P/T for tennis elbow. I couldn't

> > > lift even 10 lb. weights or use the therabands without extreme

> > buring

> > > pain in the biceps, also the tennis elbow just got worse,

> probably

> > > also from the Zocor. I asked my gp if the sore biceps muscles I

> > had

> > > for 4 months after stopping P/T could be due to the Zocor. I

> had

> > > seen the commercials for Lipitor that said, " tell your doctor if

> > you

> > > develope any unexplained muscle pain or weakness as this could be

> > > the sign of a serious condition. " (Rhabdomyolysis) That's when

> the

> > > lightbulb over my head went on. With my gp's permission, I

> stopped

> > > the Zocor and the pain started to go away in 3 days.

> > >

> > > While taking the Zetia starting in July, I developed lower back

> and

> > > neck pain, this was something I had before, but did not associate

> > it

> > > with taking statins. After I had my next labs done in October, I

> > > stopped the Zetia, and the pain in my neck and back started to

> > > subside.

> > >

> > > The endo said taking Zetia should not cause muscle pain like

> Zocor,

> > > but the info that he gave me with the Zetia said possible side

> > > effects include joint pain and muscle aches. I guess the endo

> > > doesn't read the literature he hands out. Also, on the Zetia.com

> > > website in states, in bold print:

> > >

> > > Unlike some statins, Zetia has not been shown to prevent heart

> > > disease or heart attacks.

> > >

> > > HELLO, WHY AM SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT THEN?????????

> > >

> > > I do still have some muscle pains, but not nearly as bad as on

> any

> > > kind of cholesterol lowering drugs. I had one doc, a

> rhuematologist

> > > tell me " don't forget you are 54 and have diabetes. " But if the

> > pain

> > > gets better after stopping the drug, I think it's the drug.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> >

>