Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 What kind of doctor did he see? Was it a neuro-psych? This is who finally gave us a reliable dx for my son. I would see one if you have not. a - Peoria IL-- "summerrain02790" <summerrain02790@...> wrote: So many things.... maybe it is just me. I just don't know any advice would be great.Tiara <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: Autism and Aspergers Treatment/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Autism and Aspergers Treatment-unsubscribe <*> Your use of is subject to: ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 summerrain02790 wrote: I was wondering how many of you went for second opinion? I personally fought the diagnosis and did take my son to another psychologist. My doctor never would check out my son on anything, not his ADHD, his ODD or the Aspergers. I honestlyl couldnt see my son as autistic, finally dr explained to me the diffrence between the 2, his anology with cars, you can have a type of car but you can have the lowest end of the car to the highest, he said the types but I cant remember<G> like SHO etc. I thought for my son to have it he would have been just staring, not communicating etc, in his own world and never in ours And he felt that just because he doesn't have any friends and that because he was able to express that he wants friends that took him out of the AS "lable". My son wanted to have friends, however, he did not know how to sociably interact with kids his own age, His not having friends made things so much worse, to where even at 7 years old he wanted to kill himself He also said that he did see some rises in his excitability when they did different test and that also ment that he does not have AS because kids with AS have very flat personalities Dont know if my son is not typical, but he has a crismatic personality. What was pointed out to me about my son's aspergers, was the inability to change focus from one thing to the other easisly, not being to look exactly at you, threw you, yes, over your head yes, and he zoned out when spoken to, what made a diffrence with us was me "drawing" him back to me, asking him to look at mama brining his attention back to me, giving him more time to change his focus, I couldnt tell him ok pick up your toys, I had to give him time to adjust and get ready to put his toys away.. me how a nine year old boy gets so litteral and can not get over the fact that it is just pretend. He has always been like that since he was a little boy. So many things.... maybe it is just me. I just don't know any advice would be great. Tiara If you dont feel that the diagonsis was correct get a second opinon. This is my 2 cents Aletha -- signature line Ron and Aletha Moody Happy Tailz Farm Nigerian Dwarf Dairy Goats Mayville MI 1-989-843-6678 www.happytailzfarm.com happytailzfarm@... "Put a little happiness in your barn!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hi Tiara, >I was wondering how many of you went for second opinion? I just got > the results back and he didn't seem too concerned. He said he did > find that my son had some socail-emotional delays and that his > personality does fit into the AS spectrum. And that his laungage is > on the lower end and does also fit. Yet he said that he thinks that > he is going to be just fine and would not lable him AS. It sounds to me as if this doctor does not know what he is talking about and I would definitely seek another opinion. Just because your son is doing well in school does not mean that he is not ASD. Expressing that he wants friends, but not having any is very very typical of AS. ASD is not a personality disorder, it is a social and communication difference. >He also said that he did see some rises in his > excitability when they did different test and that also ment that he > does not have AS because kids with AS have very flat personalities Whatever does he mean by this? Just because someone with ASD doesn't necessarily express their emotions in the expected way, or even many times express them at all, doesn't mean they don't have emotion. This doctor doesn't know ASD at all IMO. All ASD presents differently, but all has the core triad of impairments : impairments in social understanding, social communication and social imagination. These are developmental delays, not absences, and these are what should be looked at. in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 summerrain02790 wrote: I was wondering how many of you went for second opinion? I personally fought the diagnosis and did take my son to another psychologist. My doctor never would check out my son on anything, not his ADHD, his ODD or the Aspergers. I honestlyl couldnt see my son as autistic, finally dr explained to me the diffrence between the 2, his anology with cars, you can have a type of car but you can have the lowest end of the car to the highest, he said the types but I cant remember<G> like SHO etc. I thought for my son to have it he would have been just staring, not communicating etc, in his own world and never in ours And he felt that just because he doesn't have any friends and that because he was able to express that he wants friends that took him out of the AS "lable". My son wanted to have friends, however, he did not know how to sociably interact with kids his own age, His not having friends made things so much worse, to where even at 7 years old he wanted to kill himself He also said that he did see some rises in his excitability when they did different test and that also ment that he does not have AS because kids with AS have very flat personalities Dont know if my son is not typical, but he has a crismatic personality. What was pointed out to me about my son's aspergers, was the inability to change focus from one thing to the other easisly, not being to look exactly at you, threw you, yes, over your head yes, and he zoned out when spoken to, what made a diffrence with us was me "drawing" him back to me, asking him to look at mama brining his attention back to me, giving him more time to change his focus, I couldnt tell him ok pick up your toys, I had to give him time to adjust and get ready to put his toys away.. me how a nine year old boy gets so litteral and can not get over the fact that it is just pretend. He has always been like that since he was a little boy. So many things.... maybe it is just me. I just don't know any advice would be great. Tiara If you dont feel that the diagonsis was correct get a second opinon. This is my 2 cents Aletha -- signature line Ron and Aletha Moody Happy Tailz Farm Nigerian Dwarf Dairy Goats Mayville MI 1-989-843-6678 www.happytailzfarm.com happytailzfarm@... "Put a little happiness in your barn!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Find another Dr who at least has some idea of what he is talking about - this one doesn't. He has never seen the excitement of kids [or adults] with AS talking about their favourite subject. I don't know anyone on the AS spectrum who has a " flat " personality! He seems to be generalising from extreme cases to all of us. -------Original Message------- From: summerrain02790 Date: 02/16/06 06:47:52 I was wondering how many of you went for second opinion? I just got the results back and he didn't seem too concerned. He said he did find that my son had some socail-emotional delays and that his personality does fit into the AS spectrum. And that his laungage is on the lower end and does also fit. Yet he said that he thinks that he is going to be just fine and would not lable him AS. He seemed to blow off all the concerns I have and all the issues we have had in the past because he is doing so well in school. And he felt that just because he doesn't have any friends and that because he was able to express that he wants friends that took him out of the AS " lable " . He also said that he did see some rises in his excitability when they did different test and that also ment that he does not have AS because kids with AS have very flat personalities and even though he is close to haveing what he called " flat " he wouldn't put him in the catagory. He didn't take into concideration that my son loves math and science and building puzzles and that is why he was happy to do it. Now just last night I sat through a movie with him and his sister and all he could do is point out all the misconceptions in the movie. You can breath in outerspace you would die, people can't fly, lizzards don't grow that big, on and on, tell me how a nine year old boy gets so litteral and can not get over the fact that it is just pretend. He has always been like that since he was a little boy. So many things.... maybe it is just me. I just don't know any advice would be great. Tiara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 I say definately get a second opinion. My 8.5 year old with Aspergers is very dynamic. The big things that differentiate him from NT children is that he has had to be taught to understand feelings, emotions, empathy, etc. He also does not always understand how to behave typically and although he wants to have friends his behavior sometimes makes other children want distance! Once we realized it was asperger's we have been able to approach working on those behaviors in more appropriate ways and he has made so much progress! He was also very depressed and asked God to just kill him starting at about 7. Understanding his diagnosis has helped us to add medications that have helped reduce those anxieties and behaviors. LJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 I am so sorry. This happens a lot though. They don't understand that AS kids can have a personality and that they all want friends. It SO irritates me when another doctor rules it out based on these things. It happened to us and I did get 2 more opinions. The people who KNOW what they are doing agreed with me. You need to go find one. The school did nothing for us because he got A's and B's until they had the AS diagnosis. Now he gets all the services he needs (or most) Good Luck and I totally feel your frustration! I call it " living on the edge of normal " -Charlotte Mom to 12 AS/ADD The doctor said no I was wondering how many of you went for second opinion? I just got the results back and he didn't seem too concerned. He said he did find that my son had some socail-emotional delays and that his personality does fit into the AS spectrum. And that his laungage is on the lower end and does also fit. Yet he said that he thinks that he is going to be just fine and would not lable him AS. He seemed to blow off all the concerns I have and all the issues we have had in the past because he is doing so well in school. And he felt that just because he doesn't have any friends and that because he was able to express that he wants friends that took him out of the AS " lable " . He also said that he did see some rises in his excitability when they did different test and that also ment that he does not have AS because kids with AS have very flat personalities and even though he is close to haveing what he called " flat " he wouldn't put him in the catagory. He didn't take into concideration that my son loves math and science and building puzzles and that is why he was happy to do it. Now just last night I sat through a movie with him and his sister and all he could do is point out all the misconceptions in the movie. You can breath in outerspace you would die, people can't fly, lizzards don't grow that big, on and on, tell me how a nine year old boy gets so litteral and can not get over the fact that it is just pretend. He has always been like that since he was a little boy. So many things.... maybe it is just me. I just don't know any advice would be great. Tiara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 I actually got 3 opinions…..all said asperger’s! Beth In Alabama From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of Aletha Moody Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:52 PM To: Autism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: The doctor said no summerrain02790 wrote: I was wondering how many of you went for second opinion? I personally fought the diagnosis and did take my son to another psychologist. My doctor never would check out my son on anything, not his ADHD, his ODD or the Aspergers. I honestlyl couldnt see my son as autistic, finally dr explained to me the diffrence between the 2, his anology with cars, you can have a type of car but you can have the lowest end of the car to the highest, he said the types but I cant remember<G> like SHO etc. I thought for my son to have it he would have been just staring, not communicating etc, in his own world and never in ours And he felt that just because he doesn't have any friends and that because he was able to express that he wants friends that took him out of the AS " lable " . My son wanted to have friends, however, he did not know how to sociably interact with kids his own age, His not having friends made things so much worse, to where even at 7 years old he wanted to kill himself He also said that he did see some rises in his excitability when they did different test and that also ment that he does not have AS because kids with AS have very flat personalities Dont know if my son is not typical, but he has a crismatic personality. What was pointed out to me about my son's aspergers, was the inability to change focus from one thing to the other easisly, not being to look exactly at you, threw you, yes, over your head yes, and he zoned out when spoken to, what made a diffrence with us was me " drawing " him back to me, asking him to look at mama brining his attention back to me, giving him more time to change his focus, I couldnt tell him ok pick up your toys, I had to give him time to adjust and get ready to put his toys away.. me how a nine year old boy gets so litteral and can not get over the fact that it is just pretend. He has always been like that since he was a little boy. So many things.... maybe it is just me. I just don't know any advice would be great.Tiara If you dont feel that the diagonsis was correct get a second opinon. This is my 2 cents Aletha -- Ron and Aletha Moody Happy Tailz Farm Nigerian Dwarf Dairy Goats Mayville MI 1-989-843-6678 www.happytailzfarm.com happytailzfarm@... " Put a little happiness in your barn! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 My son is 12 and got the AS diagnosis from the Psychiatrist and an NLD diagnosis from the neurologist because of the existence of his lack of flat affect along with the desire for friends. He has not got the point spread typical of NLD kids, the only reason he got the NLD diagnosis was his personality. So, he now has a dual AS/NLD diagnosis (which his psych says is common) and is considered a “complex case. His neuropsych said it was the hardest report she has ever written. He did not get the AS/NLD diagnosis until he was 11 but had the ADHD label since age 7.9. I kept fighting because I knew there was something more wrong. I actually left his first therapist who said they would never give him the AS label because it was “to Heavy”. I know in my heart what my son has been like since birth. -Charlotte Mom to 12 AS/ADHD From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of Jim Roan Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:48 PM Autism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: The doctor said no Hi Tiara; I'm a psych and work with children, adolescents, and adults. From your limited description, I would venture to guess you are correct about your suspicions. You want, of course, to eliminate the possibility of a nonverbal learning disability. I HIGHLY recommend you get an opinion fro someone highly knowledgeable about Asperger's and nonverbal learning disability. A correct diagnosis has many benefits, directly and indirectly. Kind Regards, On 2/15/06, summerrain02790 <summerrain02790@...> wrote: I was wondering how many of you went for second opinion? I just got the results back and he didn't seem too concerned. He said he did find that my son had some socail-emotional delays and that his personality does fit into the AS spectrum. And that his laungage is on the lower end and does also fit. Yet he said that he thinks that he is going to be just fine and would not lable him AS. He seemed to blow off all the concerns I have and all the issues we have had in the past because he is doing so well in school. And he felt that just because he doesn't have any friends and that because he was able to express that he wants friends that took him out of the AS " lable " . He also said that he did see some rises in his excitability when they did different test and that also ment that he does not have AS because kids with AS have very flat personalities and even though he is close to haveing what he called " flat " he wouldn't put him in the catagory. He didn't take into concideration that my son loves math and science and building puzzles and that is why he was happy to do it. Now just last night I sat through a movie with him and his sister and all he could do is point out all the misconceptions in the movie. You can breath in outerspace you would die, people can't fly, lizzards don't grow that big, on and on, tell me how a nine year old boy gets so litteral and can not get over the fact that it is just pretend. He has always been like that since he was a little boy. So many things.... maybe it is just me. I just don't know any advice would be great. Tiara ! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group " Autism and Aspergers Treatment " on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Autism and Aspergers Treatment-unsubscribe Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. -- Kindest Regards, Roan 6903 Totem Beach Rd. sville, WA, USA 98271 Home: 001+360-659-5451 Work Voicemail: 001+360-652-4501, ext. 3029 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Aletha, You just described my child too J -Charlotte From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of Aletha Moody Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:26 PM Autism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: The doctor said no summerrain02790 wrote: I was wondering how many of you went for second opinion? I personally fought the diagnosis and did take my son to another psychologist. My doctor never would check out my son on anything, not his ADHD, his ODD or the Aspergers. I honestlyl couldnt see my son as autistic, finally dr explained to me the diffrence between the 2, his anology with cars, you can have a type of car but you can have the lowest end of the car to the highest, he said the types but I cant remember<G> like SHO etc. I thought for my son to have it he would have been just staring, not communicating etc, in his own world and never in ours And he felt that just because he doesn't have any friends and that because he was able to express that he wants friends that took him out of the AS " lable " . My son wanted to have friends, however, he did not know how to sociably interact with kids his own age, His not having friends made things so much worse, to where even at 7 years old he wanted to kill himself He also said that he did see some rises in his excitability when they did different test and that also ment that he does not have AS because kids with AS have very flat personalities Dont know if my son is not typical, but he has a crismatic personality. What was pointed out to me about my son's aspergers, was the inability to change focus from one thing to the other easisly, not being to look exactly at you, threw you, yes, over your head yes, and he zoned out when spoken to, what made a diffrence with us was me " drawing " him back to me, asking him to look at mama brining his attention back to me, giving him more time to change his focus, I couldnt tell him ok pick up your toys, I had to give him time to adjust and get ready to put his toys away.. me how a nine year old boy gets so litteral and can not get over the fact that it is just pretend. He has always been like that since he was a little boy. So many things.... maybe it is just me. I just don't know any advice would be great.Tiara If you dont feel that the diagonsis was correct get a second opinon. This is my 2 cents Aletha -- Ron and Aletha Moody Happy Tailz Farm Nigerian Dwarf Dairy Goats Mayville MI 1-989-843-6678 www.happytailzfarm.com happytailzfarm@... " Put a little happiness in your barn! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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