Re: more on 'NATURALS' was: Anita/Stan, was: just started virastop

[Guest guest]

You're most welcome Natasa :-) My comments are interspersed.

> VS - does it have a strong taste?

Not really, but once you start getting into the larger doses it does

of course get harder to dose. Right now my son is taking 18 a day.

I never thought we'd get that high. There is another sort of

industrial strength VS that I wish I'd known about before I bought

all the regular strength. I believe it is twice as strong, but I

don't know how it might taste.

> Lauricidin - does it have a strong taste?

You're not supposed to chew Lauricidin. If you do, yuck! My son

swallows them no problem though. Because you start so low, with

maybe three pellets a day (and they are very small) you child will

likely get used to swallowing them if you can hide them in something

like a thick yogurt or pudding. My son swallows about 90 a day

right now. I am amazed that my son now does understand when he's

getting a " yucky " and will put up with it. If you'd have asked me 6

months ago if this would have been possible I would have laughed or

cried, depending on the day. The good thing is if this stuff starts

working, then the dosing can get easier.

> Astragalus - does it have a strong taste?

I use a liquid. It does have alcohol in it, but I had to consider

ease of dosing. It kind of has an earthy taste to it, easy to hide

in the Sambucol.

> Candex - does it have a strong taste?

Not really. Easy to mix into the fresh cheese I use. The good

thing is you don't have to go very high with the Candex. Most

people would start with just a part of a capsule and see how it goes

from there.

>

> sorry to be such a pain, but I loved the sound of those and would

like

> to judge my chances of getting ds to take them before I go on

buying

> things only to have to put them back into the (already full)

cupboard

>

Oh, I hear you! My husband and I end up taking all the leftovers.

It's done us some good. :-)

>

> We started LDN two months ago and are seeing good things. We

wanted to

> start that first for exactly the reasons you mention.

Excellent news. I read your post at LDN :-).

>

Unfortunately, I've not used or talked to anyone who has used any of

these things you mention, other than the lysine. Again, had

an interesting post on lysine at enzymes and autism not too long

ago, as to why it might work for the herpes virus. I do remember

that Dr. JM was pretty big on some mushroom supps. I'd have to

check her book.

I keep thinking that there must be a group for some other

medical problem where these things are discussed regularly. It

would be great if we could access the knowledge of some other group

of people not in the autism world.

Or, we're just have to blaze the trail. I did try the VS on myself

and do seem to have some viral issues. When I get organized, I

might order some of the other stuff and take some to see what

happens. It's just that I'm the picture of health compared to my

son, so even these experiments don't tell me much. If I do run

across anything helpful in regard to any of these, I'll share it

here :-)

Take care,

Anita

>

> Best wishes,

> Natasa

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Kim,

> > > >

> > > > Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the good

news is

> > > > that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

> > > >

> > > > My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you escalate

the VS.

> > > > SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in the

step

> > > > pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting the

> > > > impression from my experience here with my son that although

VS

> > on

> > > > its own might be enough for people with fairly strong

balanced

> > > > immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for those

who

> > > > don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those two

as

> > > > preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for the

> > kill;

> > > > however, ASD kids might need the help of something like OLE

to

> > > > complete that kill efficiently.

> > > >

> > > > Does that make sense?

> > > >

> > > > Hang in there. :-)

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> > > > immediately

> > > > > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a good

> > > > > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> > > > >

> > > > > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or

continue

> > > > with

> > > > > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE this

> > weekend.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> > > > >

> > > > > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our last

> > > > shot/hope

> > > > > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers,

socially,

> > and

> > > > in

> > > > > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please? Thanks......Kim

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You're most welcome Natasa :-) My comments are interspersed.

> VS - does it have a strong taste?

Not really, but once you start getting into the larger doses it does

of course get harder to dose. Right now my son is taking 18 a day.

I never thought we'd get that high. There is another sort of

industrial strength VS that I wish I'd known about before I bought

all the regular strength. I believe it is twice as strong, but I

don't know how it might taste.

> Lauricidin - does it have a strong taste?

You're not supposed to chew Lauricidin. If you do, yuck! My son

swallows them no problem though. Because you start so low, with

maybe three pellets a day (and they are very small) you child will

likely get used to swallowing them if you can hide them in something

like a thick yogurt or pudding. My son swallows about 90 a day

right now. I am amazed that my son now does understand when he's

getting a " yucky " and will put up with it. If you'd have asked me 6

months ago if this would have been possible I would have laughed or

cried, depending on the day. The good thing is if this stuff starts

working, then the dosing can get easier.

> Astragalus - does it have a strong taste?

I use a liquid. It does have alcohol in it, but I had to consider

ease of dosing. It kind of has an earthy taste to it, easy to hide

in the Sambucol.

> Candex - does it have a strong taste?

Not really. Easy to mix into the fresh cheese I use. The good

thing is you don't have to go very high with the Candex. Most

people would start with just a part of a capsule and see how it goes

from there.

>

> sorry to be such a pain, but I loved the sound of those and would

like

> to judge my chances of getting ds to take them before I go on

buying

> things only to have to put them back into the (already full)

cupboard

>

Oh, I hear you! My husband and I end up taking all the leftovers.

It's done us some good. :-)

>

> We started LDN two months ago and are seeing good things. We

wanted to

> start that first for exactly the reasons you mention.

Excellent news. I read your post at LDN :-).

>

Unfortunately, I've not used or talked to anyone who has used any of

these things you mention, other than the lysine. Again, had

an interesting post on lysine at enzymes and autism not too long

ago, as to why it might work for the herpes virus. I do remember

that Dr. JM was pretty big on some mushroom supps. I'd have to

check her book.

I keep thinking that there must be a group for some other

medical problem where these things are discussed regularly. It

would be great if we could access the knowledge of some other group

of people not in the autism world.

Or, we're just have to blaze the trail. I did try the VS on myself

and do seem to have some viral issues. When I get organized, I

might order some of the other stuff and take some to see what

happens. It's just that I'm the picture of health compared to my

son, so even these experiments don't tell me much. If I do run

across anything helpful in regard to any of these, I'll share it

here :-)

Take care,

Anita

>

> Best wishes,

> Natasa

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Kim,

> > > >

> > > > Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the good

news is

> > > > that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

> > > >

> > > > My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you escalate

the VS.

> > > > SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in the

step

> > > > pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting the

> > > > impression from my experience here with my son that although

VS

> > on

> > > > its own might be enough for people with fairly strong

balanced

> > > > immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for those

who

> > > > don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those two

as

> > > > preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for the

> > kill;

> > > > however, ASD kids might need the help of something like OLE

to

> > > > complete that kill efficiently.

> > > >

> > > > Does that make sense?

> > > >

> > > > Hang in there. :-)

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> > > > immediately

> > > > > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a good

> > > > > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> > > > >

> > > > > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or

continue

> > > > with

> > > > > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE this

> > weekend.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> > > > >

> > > > > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our last

> > > > shot/hope

> > > > > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers,

socially,

> > and

> > > > in

> > > > > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please? Thanks......Kim

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> - I wonder if anyone here has used or considered using AlliTru? (it

is a

> patented allicin/garlic extract by VRP, sounds great but ££$$$!)

I use garlic, fresh pressed, but my son swallows capsules, so I put the

pressed garlic in empty capsules before giving it to him.

I had noticed for years that garlic was doing something to my son. It

has so many properties that I thought it was either because of yeast,

parasites, inflammation, or high sulfur. I end up thinking it is beause

of the anti-viral properties. I got some rashes out just with garlic.

Rashes that look very similar to what people see with Virasop/OLE.

I now use garlic/VS/OLE and I might add Valtrex in a few weeks.

[Guest guest]

> - I wonder if anyone here has used or considered using AlliTru? (it

is a

> patented allicin/garlic extract by VRP, sounds great but ££$$$!)

I use garlic, fresh pressed, but my son swallows capsules, so I put the

pressed garlic in empty capsules before giving it to him.

I had noticed for years that garlic was doing something to my son. It

has so many properties that I thought it was either because of yeast,

parasites, inflammation, or high sulfur. I end up thinking it is beause

of the anti-viral properties. I got some rashes out just with garlic.

Rashes that look very similar to what people see with Virasop/OLE.

I now use garlic/VS/OLE and I might add Valtrex in a few weeks.

[Guest guest]

We also used to give crushed garlic, hid it in cherry tomatos, worked

well for a couple of months until ds figured out something was in there

Also saw some viral signs, rosy cheeks, more agressive, yeast

problems etc. Now we have to wait a couple of years until he can swallow

capsules

Natasa

> > - I wonder if anyone here has used or considered using AlliTru? (it

> is a

> > patented allicin/garlic extract by VRP, sounds great but ££$$$!)

>

> I use garlic, fresh pressed, but my son swallows capsules, so I put

the

> pressed garlic in empty capsules before giving it to him.

>

> I had noticed for years that garlic was doing something to my son. It

> has so many properties that I thought it was either because of yeast,

> parasites, inflammation, or high sulfur. I end up thinking it is

beause

> of the anti-viral properties. I got some rashes out just with garlic.

> Rashes that look very similar to what people see with Virasop/OLE.

>

> I now use garlic/VS/OLE and I might add Valtrex in a few weeks.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We also used to give crushed garlic, hid it in cherry tomatos, worked

well for a couple of months until ds figured out something was in there

Also saw some viral signs, rosy cheeks, more agressive, yeast

problems etc. Now we have to wait a couple of years until he can swallow

capsules

Natasa

> > - I wonder if anyone here has used or considered using AlliTru? (it

> is a

> > patented allicin/garlic extract by VRP, sounds great but ££$$$!)

>

> I use garlic, fresh pressed, but my son swallows capsules, so I put

the

> pressed garlic in empty capsules before giving it to him.

>

> I had noticed for years that garlic was doing something to my son. It

> has so many properties that I thought it was either because of yeast,

> parasites, inflammation, or high sulfur. I end up thinking it is

beause

> of the anti-viral properties. I got some rashes out just with garlic.

> Rashes that look very similar to what people see with Virasop/OLE.

>

> I now use garlic/VS/OLE and I might add Valtrex in a few weeks.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita, Can you give the name of the industrial strength VS?

Thanks, Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > Kim,

> > > > >

> > > > > Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the good

> news is

> > > > > that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you escalate

> the VS.

> > > > > SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in

the

> step

> > > > > pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting the

> > > > > impression from my experience here with my son that

although

> VS

> > > on

> > > > > its own might be enough for people with fairly strong

> balanced

> > > > > immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for

those

> who

> > > > > don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those

two

> as

> > > > > preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for

the

> > > kill;

> > > > > however, ASD kids might need the help of something like

OLE

> to

> > > > > complete that kill efficiently.

> > > > >

> > > > > Does that make sense?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hang in there. :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> > > > > immediately

> > > > > > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a

good

> > > > > > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or

> continue

> > > > > with

> > > > > > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE this

> > > weekend.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our

last

> > > > > shot/hope

> > > > > > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers,

> socially,

> > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our

answer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please? Thanks......Kim

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita, Can you give the name of the industrial strength VS?

Thanks, Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > Kim,

> > > > >

> > > > > Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the good

> news is

> > > > > that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you escalate

> the VS.

> > > > > SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in

the

> step

> > > > > pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting the

> > > > > impression from my experience here with my son that

although

> VS

> > > on

> > > > > its own might be enough for people with fairly strong

> balanced

> > > > > immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for

those

> who

> > > > > don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those

two

> as

> > > > > preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for

the

> > > kill;

> > > > > however, ASD kids might need the help of something like

OLE

> to

> > > > > complete that kill efficiently.

> > > > >

> > > > > Does that make sense?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hang in there. :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> > > > > immediately

> > > > > > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a

good

> > > > > > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or

> continue

> > > > > with

> > > > > > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE this

> > > weekend.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our

last

> > > > > shot/hope

> > > > > > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers,

> socially,

> > > and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our

answer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please? Thanks......Kim

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here it is Pam:

http://www.theramedix.net/prod_prx.php

You can also phone Enzymedica. This is what de Felice said to

do in her write-up about the VS studies. If you phoned them it

might actually be closer to the VS we're using now, except, of

course, stronger. I don't understand enzymes well enough to know

the difference between the two products, if there is a difference.

If you do happen to use either of these, I would be very happy to

hear about what happens.

Thanks,

Anita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kim,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the

good

> > news is

> > > > > > that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you

escalate

> > the VS.

> > > > > > SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in

> the

> > step

> > > > > > pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting

the

> > > > > > impression from my experience here with my son that

> although

> > VS

> > > > on

> > > > > > its own might be enough for people with fairly strong

> > balanced

> > > > > > immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for

> those

> > who

> > > > > > don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those

> two

> > as

> > > > > > preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for

> the

> > > > kill;

> > > > > > however, ASD kids might need the help of something like

> OLE

> > to

> > > > > > complete that kill efficiently.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does that make sense?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hang in there. :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anita

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> > > > > > immediately

> > > > > > > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a

> good

> > > > > > > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or

> > continue

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE

this

> > > > weekend.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our

> last

> > > > > > shot/hope

> > > > > > > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers,

> > socially,

> > > > and

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our

> answer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please? Thanks......Kim

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here it is Pam:

http://www.theramedix.net/prod_prx.php

You can also phone Enzymedica. This is what de Felice said to

do in her write-up about the VS studies. If you phoned them it

might actually be closer to the VS we're using now, except, of

course, stronger. I don't understand enzymes well enough to know

the difference between the two products, if there is a difference.

If you do happen to use either of these, I would be very happy to

hear about what happens.

Thanks,

Anita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kim,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Boy, your son's having a rough time of it. But, the

good

> > news is

> > > > > > that the antivirals seem to be very important to him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My opinion would be to add in the OLE before you

escalate

> > the VS.

> > > > > > SLOWLY. And then continue to boost first VS then OLE in

> the

> > step

> > > > > > pattern, based on how your son is doing. I am getting

the

> > > > > > impression from my experience here with my son that

> although

> > VS

> > > > on

> > > > > > its own might be enough for people with fairly strong

> > balanced

> > > > > > immune systems, other antivirals will be necessary for

> those

> > who

> > > > > > don't have that. Same goes for Lauricidin. I see those

> two

> > as

> > > > > > preparing the viruses for the immune system to go in for

> the

> > > > kill;

> > > > > > however, ASD kids might need the help of something like

> OLE

> > to

> > > > > > complete that kill efficiently.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does that make sense?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hang in there. :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anita

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And others: What can I read into the fact that our son

> > > > > > immediately

> > > > > > > became worse with just one virastop a day? IS this a

> good

> > > > > > > sign...meaning the healing regression?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Should I be adding in the OLE right from the start, or

> > continue

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > virastop? A big part of me wants to add in the OLE

this

> > > > weekend.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any thoughts? Any words of encouragement?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our son is 6 years old, and the viral treatment is our

> last

> > > > > > shot/hope

> > > > > > > for recovery. He is SO VERY far behind his peers,

> > socially,

> > > > and

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > all areas. I was really hoping that this was our

> answer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please? Thanks......Kim

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>