Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 " No one can talk to > him during this period. I just keep away. " This reminds me so much of me. I just started on lexapro and didn't have a clue about ocd until my son started washing his hands too much. When I would get home from work I would have to straighten up - (a useful sort of activity but, i needed to not be interrupted - my son was an only child until he was eleven and he 'knew' that i was not to be interrupted - he could follow me around and talk to me . . . When my daughter was born and reached 2 years old last year I experienced a great deal of anxiety because she was old enough to interrupt but not yet old enough to figure out not to. Now that she's three years old she's learned. Well, anyway, it slowly dawned on me that it was the ocd - not the 'unwinding' or 'transition time' i'd attributed it to. So, yes, your description sounds all ocd to me - but, from my own experience it is profoundly difficult for an adult to take each step closer to first realizing it's ocd . . . then figuring out what your own coping mechanisms have been over your life . . . then deciding if you need help with it or not . . . then what kind of help . . . then actually making an appointment . . . then going . . . then finding the courage to tell a doctor things you've never ever ever told anyone and never planned on telling anyone. . . It seems that after a lifetime of fighting it - and living with it - and integrating it into your personality - and hiding some of the activities and some of the really gross bad thoughts - and questioning whether or not you're crazy or not - and deciding that you're positive you aren't crazy, yet sometimes it sure does look like it - Though I was a flurry of focues activity for a year reading books and studying ocd and finding help for my son - when it came time to address my own problems with it - I balked/dawdles/avoided - a feeling of 'unworthiness' to get help for something I've been fighting on my own all my life - I'm having trouble putting it into words - the words that come to mind aren't quite right, but they are: failure or admitting defeat or embarrassment or exposing an ugly birthmark that you've hidden all your life . . . > > Always wondered why I have 2 kids with OCD? No history in my family > though there is high anxiety on my mother's side. > Well I've noticed my husband of 25 years when he sets the alarm clock, > he re checks and taps it. I questioned him last night and he got angry > which is unlike him. When we go on holidays he takes about an hour to > check that all the doors and windows are locked. No one can talk to > him during this period. I just keep away. > Is this OCD?Also he hs these periods where he has to tidy up. He gets > fed up with me because I am a bit of a hoarder.He even throws out good > stuff if it is cluttering. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 In a message dated 2/10/2006 8:01:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, chevy57andagirl@... writes: OCD is not genetic *******Actually, OCD is highly genetic. Generally if your child has OCD, you can find someone in your family tree with an anxiety disorder or depression. Most specialists believe that a child has a genetic susceptibility to a disorder like OCD, but whether it is expressed or not can depend on many factors. My daughter's OCD came on overnight when she had a brain inflamation at age four - she had never had any caffeine at that point, or much of anything but healthy food (first child - it was so easy with just one!). I think we would all love it if there were such an easy answer - if only we *could* just eliminate caffeine, or sugar, or... or... and the OCD would be gone. But honestly, if it were that simple, wouldn't one of the many brilliant neurologists who have studied OCD for decades have figured that out long ago?? in NV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I have to disagree as well. I even read through most of the references in the letter (I actually cut and paste almost all of the abstracts on one page to see how they supported the theory and it seemed loosely based to me. Also, I'm not sure why #9 was even mentioned because the findings were inconclusive). I'd be happy to put a copy of all the abstracts on this list so anyone interested could read them and make their own judgement, but it's a bit long and I wouldn't want to bog this list out with any more than I already do (which is way too much!). But if anyone would like to look at them they can email me directly and I'll send them. I guess that's my OCD. I'm a little obsessive about research. I need a life!!! Tess --- Price <firecooklmp@...> wrote: > I respectfully disagree with the assertion that it > is not genetic, and following are some links to > reputable medical sources which assert that it is > very possible. > P. > > According to the Journal of the American Medical > Association (JAMA) patient site, there very well may > be a genetic component. > > http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/16/2040 > > And the Mayo Clinic also says that cause is > unknown, but is theorized that it includes a genetic > component. > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obsessive-compulsive-disorder/DS00189/DSECTION=\ 3 > > And the OC Foundation says " No specific genes for > OCD have yet been identified, but research suggests > that genes do play a role in the development of the > disorder in some cases. " > http://www.ocfoundation.org/ocf1010a.htm > > Blue Casey <chevy57andagirl@...> wrote: > OCD is not genetic. Look into what your children > and husband are eating. Too much sugar or caffeine > can cause OCD. > > Kerrie Barbour <barbournet@...> wrote: > Always wondered why I have 2 kids with OCD? No > history in my family > though there is high anxiety on my mother's side. > Well I've noticed my husband of 25 years when he > sets the alarm clock, > he re checks and taps it. I questioned him last > night and he got angry > which is unlike him. When we go on holidays he takes > about an hour to > check that all the doors and windows are locked. No > one can talk to > him during this period. I just keep away. > Is this OCD?Also he hs these periods where he has to > tidy up. He gets > fed up with me because I am a bit of a hoarder.He > even throws out good > stuff if it is cluttering. > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > feature may be accessed at: > / > . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar > Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan > Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, > Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription > issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis > Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , > louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 comtesse_de_provence@... wrote: Or perhaps a Master's in Library Science (MLS) like me, and a job in a library! P. I guess that's my OCD. I'm a little obsessive about research. I need a life!!! Tess --- Price <firecooklmp@...> wrote: > I respectfully disagree with the assertion that it > is not genetic, and following are some links to > reputable medical sources which assert that it is > very possible. > P. > > According to the Journal of the American Medical > Association (JAMA) patient site, there very well may > be a genetic component. > > http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/16/2040 > > And the Mayo Clinic also says that cause is > unknown, but is theorized that it includes a genetic > component. > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obsessive-compulsive-disorder/DS00189/DSECTION=\ 3 > > And the OC Foundation says " No specific genes for > OCD have yet been identified, but research suggests > that genes do play a role in the development of the > disorder in some cases. " > http://www.ocfoundation.org/ocf1010a.htm > > Blue Casey <chevy57andagirl@...> wrote: > OCD is not genetic. Look into what your children > and husband are eating. Too much sugar or caffeine > can cause OCD. > > Kerrie Barbour <barbournet@...> wrote: > Always wondered why I have 2 kids with OCD? No > history in my family > though there is high anxiety on my mother's side. > Well I've noticed my husband of 25 years when he > sets the alarm clock, > he re checks and taps it. I questioned him last > night and he got angry > which is unlike him. When we go on holidays he takes > about an hour to > check that all the doors and windows are locked. No > one can talk to > him during this period. I just keep away. > Is this OCD?Also he hs these periods where he has to > tidy up. He gets > fed up with me because I am a bit of a hoarder.He > even throws out good > stuff if it is cluttering. > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > feature may be accessed at: > / > . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar > Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan > Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, > Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription > issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis > Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , > louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I would like a copy please. I am new at this and everything seems very overwhelming. It could be this or it could be that, etc. Thanks. Kim comtesse_de_provence@... wrote: I have to disagree as well. I even read through most of the references in the letter (I actually cut and paste almost all of the abstracts on one page to see how they supported the theory and it seemed loosely based to me. Also, I'm not sure why #9 was even mentioned because the findings were inconclusive). I'd be happy to put a copy of all the abstracts on this list so anyone interested could read them and make their own judgement, but it's a bit long and I wouldn't want to bog this list out with any more than I already do (which is way too much!). But if anyone would like to look at them they can email me directly and I'll send them. I guess that's my OCD. I'm a little obsessive about research. I need a life!!! Tess --- Price <firecooklmp@...> wrote: > I respectfully disagree with the assertion that it > is not genetic, and following are some links to > reputable medical sources which assert that it is > very possible. > P. > > According to the Journal of the American Medical > Association (JAMA) patient site, there very well may > be a genetic component. > > http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/16/2040 > > And the Mayo Clinic also says that cause is > unknown, but is theorized that it includes a genetic > component. > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obsessive-compulsive-disorder/DS00189/DSECTION=\ 3 > > And the OC Foundation says " No specific genes for > OCD have yet been identified, but research suggests > that genes do play a role in the development of the > disorder in some cases. " > http://www.ocfoundation.org/ocf1010a.htm > > Blue Casey <chevy57andagirl@...> wrote: > OCD is not genetic. Look into what your children > and husband are eating. Too much sugar or caffeine > can cause OCD. > > Kerrie Barbour <barbournet@...> wrote: > Always wondered why I have 2 kids with OCD? No > history in my family > though there is high anxiety on my mother's side. > Well I've noticed my husband of 25 years when he > sets the alarm clock, > he re checks and taps it. I questioned him last > night and he got angry > which is unlike him. When we go on holidays he takes > about an hour to > check that all the doors and windows are locked. No > one can talk to > him during this period. I just keep away. > Is this OCD?Also he hs these periods where he has to > tidy up. He gets > fed up with me because I am a bit of a hoarder.He > even throws out good > stuff if it is cluttering. > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > feature may be accessed at: > / > . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar > Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan > Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, > Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription > issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis > Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , > louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I agree with . Hopkins University is currently involved in research looking at genetics. They have been working on it for 9 years, I believe, and have some pretty good leads, from the way it sounded. We were going to be in it, but my husband decided he didn't want someone having his blood (DNA) in storage. If anyone is interested (they are looking for 3 generations in each family right now - whether diagnosed or not), in being in the study, let me know, and I'll post contact info. -- In , Price <firecooklmp@...> wrote: > > I respectfully disagree with the assertion that it is not genetic, and following are some links to reputable medical sources which assert that it is very possible. > P. > > According to the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) patient site, there very well may be a genetic component. > http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/16/2040 > > And the Mayo Clinic also says that cause is unknown, but is theorized that it includes a genetic component. > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obsessive-compulsive- disorder/DS00189/DSECTION=3 > > And the OC Foundation says " No specific genes for OCD have yet been identified, but research suggests that genes do play a role in the development of the disorder in some cases. " > http://www.ocfoundation.org/ocf1010a.htm > > Blue Casey <chevy57andagirl@...> wrote: > OCD is not genetic. Look into what your children and husband are eating. Too much sugar or caffeine can cause OCD. > > Kerrie Barbour <barbournet@...> wrote: Always wondered why I have 2 kids with OCD? No history in my family > though there is high anxiety on my mother's side. > Well I've noticed my husband of 25 years when he sets the alarm clock, > he re checks and taps it. I questioned him last night and he got angry > which is unlike him. When we go on holidays he takes about an hour to > check that all the doors and windows are locked. No one can talk to > him during this period. I just keep away. > Is this OCD?Also he hs these periods where he has to tidy up. He gets > fed up with me because I am a bit of a hoarder.He even throws out good > stuff if it is cluttering. > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at: / . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 How do you explain things like Alzheimer's or Huntington's, which are known to be genetic but don't normally " kick in " until the person is an adult, and often an older adult at that? P. Blue Casey <chevy57andagirl@...> wrote: People may agree to disagree about many things, but one thing is very logical: the brain isn't normal for, let's say 15 years, then suddenly develop OCD, ADHDH, schizophrenia or another mental disorder. The genes cannot spontaneously alter themselves without a change in the physical state. Is anyone in this group educated in biology? Have a great day. Price <firecooklmp@...> wrote: comtesse_de_provence@... wrote: Or perhaps a Master's in Library Science (MLS) like me, and a job in a library! P. I guess that's my OCD. I'm a little obsessive about research. I need a life!!! Tess --- Price <firecooklmp@...> wrote: > I respectfully disagree with the assertion that it > is not genetic, and following are some links to > reputable medical sources which assert that it is > very possible. > P. > > According to the Journal of the American Medical > Association (JAMA) patient site, there very well may > be a genetic component. > > http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/292/16/2040 > > And the Mayo Clinic also says that cause is > unknown, but is theorized that it includes a genetic > component. > > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obsessive-compulsive-disorder/DS00189/DSECTION=\ 3 > > And the OC Foundation says " No specific genes for > OCD have yet been identified, but research suggests > that genes do play a role in the development of the > disorder in some cases. " > http://www.ocfoundation.org/ocf1010a.htm > > Blue Casey <chevy57andagirl@...> wrote: > OCD is not genetic. Look into what your children > and husband are eating. Too much sugar or caffeine > can cause OCD. > > Kerrie Barbour <barbournet@...> wrote: > Always wondered why I have 2 kids with OCD? No > history in my family > though there is high anxiety on my mother's side. > Well I've noticed my husband of 25 years when he > sets the alarm clock, > he re checks and taps it. I questioned him last > night and he got angry > which is unlike him. When we go on holidays he takes > about an hour to > check that all the doors and windows are locked. No > one can talk to > him during this period. I just keep away. > Is this OCD?Also he hs these periods where he has to > tidy up. He gets > fed up with me because I am a bit of a hoarder.He > even throws out good > stuff if it is cluttering. > > > > > > Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat > feature may be accessed at: > / > . > Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar > Chansky, Ph.D.( http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan > Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., ( > http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list > moderators are Birkhan, Castle, > Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy Mac, > Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription > issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis > Harkins, list owner, at louisharkins@... , > louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 One more post on this...I believe that OCD is like a scratch-n-sniff. It is there, in the brain, until something scratches it and then it starts to really stink! As I said in an earlier post, several people in my immediate and extended family have or had OCD and other various " cousin " disorders. My youngest daughter, I swear, came out of the womb with it. She knew from day one if I was not holding her and would cry until I took her back from whoever had her. She had trouble sleeping and would spend hours awake, staring at me. When she started to crawl, she would not leave my side at all and she was constantly developing new fears. Now, I know there are some who would like to blame parenting but at the time, my other daughter had not had her onset of OCD and my house was full of other children who played and acted quite normal. We knew from the start that was not normal and were not surprised when she was diagnosed with OCD at seven. My other daughter, Hannah, was diagnosed at eleven but looking back, we realized that she did have small tendencies as young as three. She always wanted her pillow put on the bed so that the character was the right side up and she would be bothered if we changed the way we drove home from a familiar place. Her onset came following an emergency appendectomy which brings me to my next point. Both of my kids seem to be deeply afffected by physical traumas and I have witnessed time and time again a surge in their OCD symptoms within a month (consistently) of any surgeries, severe illnesses, or traumatic event. When I mentioned this to the doctor, he commented that our brain chemicals can change and do change. That is one reason teenagers are so delightful. A trauma can cause a change in the brain chemicals which in turn can affect other chemicals which can bring on OCD. The reason everyone doesn't develop OCD following a tragedy is because some of us are predisposed to it. The scratch-n-sniff theory. I was also told that even things like untreated asthma can bring on OCD because of the chemical changes brought on by asthma attacks. I also know that there is one person in my house who does not have OCD and he consumes so much caffeine, I don't know how he goes to sleep at night! Kelley in NV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Kelley, You wrote: " When I mentioned this to the doctor, he commented that our brain chemicals can change and do change. That is one reason teenagers are so delightful. " That's so funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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