Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Jab snub put baby at risk

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Sun is similar to Nat Enq (which is run by ex UK tabloid hacks). Sun is part of Murdoch empire, eg The Times group which is the main attacker of Wakefield and MMR critics, eg Deer.

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[Norton AntiSpam] Jab snub put baby at risk

This looks a little "desperate" to me....Is The Sun kind of like The National Enquirer?http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006280606,00.html

Jab snub put baby at risk

Mistake ... Bernadette with her four children, who all caught measles after she refused vaccination

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By ROBIN PERRIEA YOUNG mum feared her baby would die after all four of her kids were struck down with measles because she snubbed the MMR jab. Bernadette Lynch’s two sons and two daughters each caught the potentially dangerous disease within three days.

And yesterday the youngest, one-year-old Poppy, was still on a hospital heart monitor.

Distraught Bernadette, 24, said: “I feel terrible that this has come about because I didn’t have them vaccinated. It was the biggest mistake I ever made.”

The mum decided not to have her children injected with the triple vaccine because of fears it might trigger autism.

Two weeks ago daughter Keira, two, fell ill with measles.

Two days later sons Mickey, four, and Cameron, seven, contracted the disease, and the following day little Poppy succumbed.

Bernadette had to rush back to hospital yesterday after Poppy developed complications.

Bernadette, of Middlesbrough, said: “There were 15 doctors and nurses surrounding her and she was gasping for breath.”

Last night, doctors were confident she would be fine.

First victim Keira was put in isolation at Cook University Hospital, Middlesbrough, with only her parents, who are separated, allowed to visit.

Scare ... Poppy in hospital where she is on heart monitor

Doctors, who had seen only two cases of measles in 20 years, were baffled at first.

Then tests confirmed the youngster had the illness — a diagnosis subsequently repeated for her brothers and sister.

Fears over MMR have triggered the biggest measles outbreak since the vaccine was introduced more than 20 years ago.

There have been nine cases in the North East this year. Last year there were none.

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Two issues here, will all 4 kids recover and go on to lead pretty healthy lives, and, why can't/won't they make vaccines that are safe ? I acquired measles as a kid, so did many of the kids I knew. I don't recall anyone being severely impaired as a result. It is a dangerous disease, but if there are so many potentially harmful issues with the current vaccine constituents and protocols, why do the authorities worldwide refuse to alter them to at a minimum give the impression that they really care about their harmful effects ? Take care n max walker <max.walker@...> wrote: yeh [Norton AntiSpam] Jab snub put baby at risk This looks a little "desperate" to me....Is The Sun kind of like The National Enquirer?http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006280606,00.html Jab snub put baby at risk Mistake ... Bernadette with her four children, who all caught measles after she refused vaccination MORE HEALTH STORIES • Pub is better than gym• NHS £14billion mega-byte• Chief admits to NHS risk• £100k 'fib' on Gatso FULL NEWS INDEX By ROBIN PERRIEA YOUNG mum feared her baby would die after all four of her kids were struck down with measles because she snubbed the MMR jab. Bernadette Lynch’s two sons and two daughters each caught the potentially dangerous disease within three days. And yesterday the youngest, one-year-old Poppy, was still on a hospital heart monitor. Distraught Bernadette, 24, said: “I feel terrible that this has come about because I didn’t have them vaccinated. It was the biggest mistake I ever made.” The mum decided not to have her children injected with the triple vaccine because of fears it might trigger autism. Two weeks ago daughter Keira, two, fell ill with measles. Two

days later sons Mickey, four, and Cameron, seven, contracted the disease, and the following day little Poppy succumbed. Bernadette had to rush back to hospital yesterday after Poppy developed complications. Bernadette, of Middlesbrough, said: “There were 15 doctors and nurses surrounding her and she was gasping for breath.” Last night, doctors were confident she would be fine. First victim Keira was put in isolation at Cook University Hospital, Middlesbrough, with only her parents, who are separated, allowed to visit. Scare ... Poppy in hospital where she is on heart

monitor Doctors, who had seen only two cases of measles in 20 years, were baffled at first. Then tests confirmed the youngster had the illness — a diagnosis subsequently repeated for her brothers and sister. Fears over MMR have triggered the biggest measles outbreak since the vaccine was introduced more than 20 years ago. There have been nine cases in the North East this year. Last year there were none. Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

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[Norton AntiSpam] Jab snub put baby at risk

This looks a little "desperate" to me....Is The Sun kind of like The National Enquirer?http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006280606,00.html

Jab snub put baby at risk

Mistake ... Bernadette with her four children, who all caught measles after she refused vaccination

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By ROBIN PERRIEA YOUNG mum feared her baby would die after all four of her kids were struck down with measles because she snubbed the MMR jab. Bernadette Lynch’s two sons and two daughters each caught the potentially dangerous disease within three days.

And yesterday the youngest, one-year-old Poppy, was still on a hospital heart monitor.

Distraught Bernadette, 24, said: “I feel terrible that this has come about because I didn’t have them vaccinated. It was the biggest mistake I ever made.”

The mum decided not to have her children injected with the triple vaccine because of fears it might trigger autism.

Two weeks ago daughter Keira, two, fell ill with measles.

Two days later sons Mickey, four, and Cameron, seven, contracted the disease, and the following day little Poppy succumbed.

Bernadette had to rush back to hospital yesterday after Poppy developed complications.

Bernadette, of Middlesbrough, said: “There were 15 doctors and nurses surrounding her and she was gasping for breath.”

Last night, doctors were confident she would be fine.

First victim Keira was put in isolation at Cook University Hospital, Middlesbrough, with only her parents, who are separated, allowed to visit.

Scare ... Poppy in hospital where she is on heart monitor

Doctors, who had seen only two cases of measles in 20 years, were baffled at first.

Then tests confirmed the youngster had the illness — a diagnosis subsequently repeated for her brothers and sister.

Fears over MMR have triggered the biggest measles outbreak since the vaccine was introduced more than 20 years ago.

There have been nine cases in the North East this year. Last year there were none.

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n wrote:

" It is a dangerous disease, but if there are so many potentially

harmful issues with the current vaccine constituents and protocols,

why do the authorities worldwide refuse to alter them to at a

minimum give the impression that they really care about their

harmful effects " ?

- Exactly. They just keep adding new vaccines and proclaiming that

mercury is safe in vaccinations (ie flu), no issues with live

viruses injected when the immune system is not strong, etc. It is

the inability of the powers to be to recognize real serious and

lifelong adverse events to vaccinations that make them unworthy of

my trust. A little common sense goes along way here.

Sue M.

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so the band plays on..which begs another question.why is it soo damn difficult to get the powers that be to pause, take stock, rethink, strategise and implement a benevolent policy of vaccine protocols ? Instead of those who just continue to bat heads with the vaccine promoters, what do we have to do to remove the adversarial nature of this debate ? We are making some headway, but the price is so polarizing that it's retarding progress. Too many new victims are created while this pissing contest continues. Take care n celiacdaughter <suemisiaszek@...> wrote: n wrote:"It is a dangerous disease, but if there are so many potentially harmful issues with the current vaccine constituents and protocols, why do the authorities worldwide refuse to alter them to at a minimum give the impression that they really care about their harmful effects"?- Exactly. They just keep adding new vaccines and proclaiming that mercury is safe in vaccinations (ie flu), no issues with live viruses injected when the immune system is not strong, etc. It is the inability of the powers to be to recognize real serious and lifelong adverse events to vaccinations that make them unworthy of my trust. A little common sense goes along way here. Sue M. > > ---------------------------------> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > >

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Go to informed consent.

Issue removed, at least with respect to the benevolence of the protocol.

Look at what is happening in GB.

There is informed consent there. There is informed consent virtually everywhere in Europe and Japan.

If people don't want a particular product or procedure, they won't accept it under informed consent.

They force an alternative.

Here, because of the government mandates, the powers that be will not give up their monopoly. Rather than allow people to chose, they impose. And then lie and dissemble and jerk everyone around and act completely irresponsibly.

That's why thimerosal-free vaccines aren't enough.

You have to actually stop the mandates.

The government in this regard has to act like the post office (competing with fed ex, ups, etc.)- They must try and develop a service and a way of interacting with the public which convinces the public that doing something is beneficial- rather than having people recoil from them because they know the mandated vaccine protocol poisoned their kids and refuse to deal with it appropriately.

The have to stop acting dishonestly/disingenuously and like medical thugs.

The first step would be to outlaw medical mandates of any kind unless a bona fide emergency occurs (notwithstanding what a corrupt scam that could turn out to be);

The second step is to research therapy for the damaged kids and provide programs and compensation to try to deal with the mess.

A failure by our government officials to sort out this mess appropriately (ie. by first two steps as described above) will only result in more and more people doing more and more outrageous things to trash those who refuse to deal with the mess. A lot of people are completely pissed off and they will not simply be rolled. The get even more pissed when the powers that be arrogantly lie and use their monopoly positions to corruptly avoid any reform or corrective measure.

This issue is not going away- it will just cause more and more damage to the institutions which refuse to act forthrightly and honestly. Which is unfortunate because we desperately need these institutions to act in the best interest of public health.

They can't put the genie back into the bottle- it's out and just growing stronger and stronger. They can only try to fix it.

The government agencies must start to act like the corporations who have had problems in the recent past and try to fix the problems immediately. No more BS, dissembling and circumlocution.

It amazes me that they have learned nothing from the same debacles which have occurred recently and have been handled completely differently by companies facing competition. As soon as a screwup occurs- in the private sector they fixed it- immediately- or suffer permanent damage to the goodwill of the business- including being forced out of business.

That is happening to the government agencies- it appears that they just don't get how much damage is occurring from their continued dishonesty.

That's because they are a monopoly and they act incredibly arrogantly as a consequence.

It's a huge mistake.

The answer:

Step up- get it done. It's long overdue.

Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Jab snub put baby at risk

so the band plays on..which begs another question.why is it soo damn difficult to get the powers that be to pause, take stock, rethink, strategise and implement a benevolent policy of vaccine protocols ? Instead of those who just continue to bat heads with the vaccine promoters, what do we have to do to remove the adversarial nature of this debate ? We are making some headway, but the price is so polarizing that it's retarding progress. Too many new victims are created while this pissing contest continues.

Take care

n celiacdaughter <suemisiaszek@...> wrote:

n wrote:"It is a dangerous disease, but if there are so many potentially harmful issues with the current vaccine constituents and protocols, why do the authorities worldwide refuse to alter them to at a minimum give the impression that they really care about their harmful effects"?- Exactly. They just keep adding new vaccines and proclaiming that mercury is safe in vaccinations (ie flu), no issues with live viruses injected when the immune system is not strong, etc. It is the inability of the powers to be to recognize real serious and lifelong adverse events to vaccinations that make them unworthy of my trust. A little common sense goes along way here. Sue M. > > ---------------------------------> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > > > ---------------------------------> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.>

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> Two issues here, will all 4 kids recover and go on to lead pretty

healthy lives, and, why can't/won't they make vaccines that are safe ?

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> I acquired measles as a kid, so did many of the kids I knew. I

don't recall anyone being severely impaired as a result.

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> It is a dangerous disease, but if there are so many potentially

harmful issues with the current vaccine constituents and protocols,

why do the authorities worldwide refuse to alter them to at a minimum

give the impression that they really care about their harmful effects ?

> Take care

> n

As long as vaccines are believed to be the answer to everything, as

far as I can see it, no money is spent working on cures anymore. No

one looks into how to cure a disease, they only want to try to prevent

it, which in my opinion really just creates new diseases.

~ Karin

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From the reactions of the press I pity a poor kid with acne in the UK.

[Norton AntiSpam] Jab snub put baby at risk

This looks a little "desperate" to me....Is The Sun kind of like The National Enquirer?http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006280606,00.html

Jab snub put baby at risk

Mistake ... Bernadette with her four children, who all caught measles after she refused vaccination

MORE HEALTH STORIES

• Pub is better than gym• NHS £14billion mega-byte• Chief admits to NHS risk• £100k 'fib' on Gatso

FULL NEWS INDEX

By ROBIN PERRIEA YOUNG mum feared her baby would die after all four of her kids were struck down with measles because she snubbed the MMR jab. Bernadette Lynch’s two sons and two daughters each caught the potentially dangerous disease within three days.

And yesterday the youngest, one-year-old Poppy, was still on a hospital heart monitor.

Distraught Bernadette, 24, said: “I feel terrible that this has come about because I didn’t have them vaccinated. It was the biggest mistake I ever made.”

The mum decided not to have her children injected with the triple vaccine because of fears it might trigger autism.

Two weeks ago daughter Keira, two, fell ill with measles.

Two days later sons Mickey, four, and Cameron, seven, contracted the disease, and the following day little Poppy succumbed.

Bernadette had to rush back to hospital yesterday after Poppy developed complications.

Bernadette, of Middlesbrough, said: “There were 15 doctors and nurses surrounding her and she was gasping for breath.”

Last night, doctors were confident she would be fine.

First victim Keira was put in isolation at Cook University Hospital, Middlesbrough, with only her parents, who are separated, allowed to visit.

Scare ... Poppy in hospital where she is on heart monitor

Doctors, who had seen only two cases of measles in 20 years, were baffled at first.

Then tests confirmed the youngster had the illness — a diagnosis subsequently repeated for her brothers and sister.

Fears over MMR have triggered the biggest measles outbreak since the vaccine was introduced more than 20 years ago.

There have been nine cases in the North East this year. Last year there were none.

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Yes I agree but my ? is why don't they realize that continuing to agree that medicine should primarily treat stmptoms instead of aetiologies of ailments etc.only retards real progress at thorough investigation into causes. I know that it's much quiker and cheaper to synthesize and manufacture shortterm treatments like cough cold remedies etc.but surely by now powers that be must realize that the money is spent unwisely there and should rerally be thumped into intensive research. I am personally convinced that given the human genome profile so many diseases, syndromes etc.are so close to one another.maybe just a base or two, molecule or two etc.away from eachother that intensive research and clarification of aetiology of one will provie info for a domino effect for treating others. Looking at autism and it's various forms and degrees convinces me that this must be

true. there are definitely common factors in all and supplemental ones which create the varying degrees and peccadillos of its manifestation. When we find the main root causes the ancilliary ones will be easy to treat but this needs honest ethical untainted research.......now that's the kicker Take care nkebmw <kbarasa@...> wrote: >> Two issues here, will all 4 kids

recover and go on to lead prettyhealthy lives, and, why can't/won't they make vaccines that are safe ? > > I acquired measles as a kid, so did many of the kids I knew. Idon't recall anyone being severely impaired as a result. > > It is a dangerous disease, but if there are so many potentiallyharmful issues with the current vaccine constituents and protocols,why do the authorities worldwide refuse to alter them to at a minimumgive the impression that they really care about their harmful effects ?> Take care> n As long as vaccines are believed to be the answer to everything, asfar as I can see it, no money is spent working on cures anymore. Noone looks into how to cure a disease, they only want to try to preventit, which in my opinion really just creates new diseases.~ Karin

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The reason they treat symptoms is due to the fact they make trillions treating symptoms with drugs. If the truth got out, ie they can cure infections with vitamin C, cure cancer without drugs, cure heart disease with vitamins or herbs, cure and prevent alzheimer's--then that would be the end of 98% of their income.

john

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Yes I agree but my ? is why don't they realize that continuing to agree that medicine should primarily treat stmptoms instead of aetiologies of ailments etc.only retards real progress at thorough investigation into causes. I know that it's much quiker and cheaper to synthesize and manufacture shortterm treatments like cough cold remedies etc.but surely by now powers that be must realize that the money is spent unwisely there and should rerally be thumped into intensive research.

I am personally convinced that given the human genome profile so many diseases, syndromes etc.are so close to one another.maybe just a base or two, molecule or two etc.away from eachother that intensive research and clarification of aetiology of one will provie info for a domino effect for treating others.

Looking at autism and it's various forms and degrees convinces me that this must be true. there are definitely common factors in all and supplemental ones which create the varying degrees and peccadillos of its manifestation. When we find the main root causes the ancilliary ones will be easy to treat but this needs honest ethical untainted research.......now that's the kicker

Take care

nkebmw <kbarasa@...> wrote:

>> Two issues here, will all 4 kids recover and go on to lead prettyhealthy lives, and, why can't/won't they make vaccines that are safe ? > > I acquired measles as a kid, so did many of the kids I knew. Idon't recall anyone being severely impaired as a result. > > It is a dangerous disease, but if there are so many potentiallyharmful issues with the current vaccine constituents and protocols,why do the authorities worldwide refuse to alter them to at a minimumgive the impression that they really care about their harmful effects ?> Take care> n As long as vaccines are believed to be the answer to everything, asfar as I can see it, no money is spent working on cures anymore. Noone looks into how to cure a disease, they only want to try to preventit, which in my opinion really just creates new diseases.~ Karin

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