RE: help requested - need to prepare to tell doc NO MORE SHOTS

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Why not talk to the DAN doctor about the shots? Let that Dr. control the issue.

help requested - need to prepare to tell doc NO MORE SHOTS

Hi-

I'd appreciate some help. My son has an upcoming well-check, and I am anticipating a confrontation when we tell the doctor we aren't doing any more shots.

I don't want to get into an argument - I don't want to pay for his time if it means arguing with me.

I would like to help educate the good doctor somewhat, but I don't want to waste my time, either.

I dont' know if he will want me to sign some type of "I'm refusing shots for my kids, aren't I a bad mom" kind of document or not.

I'd love to ask, "and just how are you compensated differently according to how many of your patients are vaccinated", but I don't see a way to do that without putting him on the defensive big time. (which may be appropriate but perhaps counter productive for our well check visit)

I'm looking forward to the visit somewhat because it was just January when he told us our kid was most likely PDD and would always be 'not quite right' (my words, his gist). He also spend a good 15 minutes telling us that GFCF was worthless. Well, of course we didn't listen. We went GFCF in early March after seeing a DAN! doctor, who also upped the dosages on the supplements I had already started. In late April, we had a complete neuro-psych evaluation. Our son now tests out in the normal range in everything she tested ( I suspect he is still behind according to his OT, though). So, I'm looking forward to watching the doctor eat crow....

Thanks in advance for any suggestions on handling this visit. I also need to figure out how to get shot waivers in place as our son starts kindergarten in the fall.

Thanks,

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I can't really offer advice on what to tell them. I just told my son's doctor at

his 5 year check up in April that we just weren't going to do anymore

vaccinations. It went REAL well. I was like you can kinda dreading the whole

argument. But it went real well. Of course I do work for this office so they

really didn't argue. They know my stance on this.

I was also told that the GFCF diet wouldn't do any good by my doctor at the

Marcus Center in Atlanta. After we get the tests back from the Great Plains

clinic that I attended last weekend and we get more on the road to healing I

told my husband that I would like to set up a " follow up " appointment with that

doctor just to say " Hey, this is what a child on the GFCF diet looks like! "

My doctor at his well child visit absolutly couldn't believe the difference in

Tyler. The nurse (whose son has Aspergers) was also shocked. I told her that he

wouldn't be getting any vaccine so she wouldn't be drawing them up while the

doctor was in the room. She said " You know, people will ask me if I think

vaccines had anything to do with my son's Aspergers. I tell them that I don't

know enough about it. I can't say yes, but I can't say no either. " I suggested

she read Evidence of Harm. She was really interested in what we were doing for

Tyler and she was asking about the GPL clinic that we were going to. She said

" in a personal interest. " I hope she studies up on it now that she has seen

Tyler. Her son is in high school but I don't think it is ever too late to help.

Sorry I didn't have a suggestion on how to tell them. I just went in with a no

holds barred attitude and they didn't argue. I told them that I would not be

swayed on this issue.

H.

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The DAN doctor we are seeing is so completely overwhelmed with how busy their new offices are that I don't think I could. The DAN doctor does not want to replace the pediatrician. We might not be able to afford that, even if he did offer to replace the pediatrician. Our insurance pays for our pediatrician, fifteen dollar copay. Our DAN doctor doesn't take insurance, and our first visit was over five hundred dollars. Hopefully the insurance will reimburse us a lot of that, but we're not counting on it.H <stratpat@...> wrote: Why not talk to the DAN doctor about the shots? Let that Dr. control the issue. help requested - need to prepare to tell doc NO MORE SHOTS Hi- I'd appreciate some help. My son has an upcoming well-check, and I am anticipating a confrontation when we tell the doctor we aren't doing any more shots. I don't want to get into an argument - I don't want to pay for his time if it means arguing

with me. I would like to help educate the good doctor somewhat, but I don't want to waste my time, either. I dont' know if he will want me to sign some type of "I'm refusing shots for my kids, aren't I a bad mom" kind of document or not. I'd love to ask, "and just how are you compensated differently according to how many of your patients are vaccinated", but I don't see a way to do that without putting him on the defensive big time. (which may be appropriate but perhaps counter productive for our well check visit) I'm looking forward to the visit somewhat because it was just January when he told us our kid was most likely PDD and would always be 'not quite right' (my words, his gist). He also spend a good 15 minutes telling us that GFCF was worthless. Well, of course we didn't listen. We went GFCF in early March after seeing a

DAN! doctor, who also upped the dosages on the supplements I had already started. In late April, we had a complete neuro-psych evaluation. Our son now tests out in the normal range in everything she tested ( I suspect he is still behind according to his OT, though). So, I'm looking forward to watching the doctor eat crow.... Thanks in advance for any suggestions on handling this visit. I also need to figure out how to get shot waivers in place as our son starts kindergarten in the fall. Thanks, New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

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Shouldn't the fact that the DAN doctor is so busy tell the dumbfounded pediatrician that something may be up?

If he won't back off- you probably should find another pediatrician.

help requested - need to prepare to tell doc NO MORE SHOTS

Hi-

I'd appreciate some help. My son has an upcoming well-check, and I am anticipating a confrontation when we tell the doctor we aren't doing any more shots.

I don't want to get into an argument - I don't want to pay for his time if it means arguing with me.

I would like to help educate the good doctor somewhat, but I don't want to waste my time, either.

I dont' know if he will want me to sign some type of "I'm refusing shots for my kids, aren't I a bad mom" kind of document or not.

I'd love to ask, "and just how are you compensated differently according to how many of your patients are vaccinated", but I don't see a way to do that without putting him on the defensive big time. (which may be appropriate but perhaps counter productive for our well check visit)

I'm looking forward to the visit somewhat because it was just January when he told us our kid was most likely PDD and would always be 'not quite right' (my words, his gist). He also spend a good 15 minutes telling us that GFCF was worthless. Well, of course we didn't listen. We went GFCF in early March after seeing a DAN! doctor, who also upped the dosages on the supplements I had already started. In late April, we had a complete neuro-psych evaluation. Our son now tests out in the normal range in everything she tested ( I suspect he is still behind according to his OT, though). So, I'm looking forward to watching the doctor eat crow....

Thanks in advance for any suggestions on handling this visit. I also need to figure out how to get shot waivers in place as our son starts kindergarten in the fall.

Thanks,

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Henry wrote:

" Shouldn't the fact that the DAN doctor is so busy tell the

dumbfounded pediatrician that something may be up " ?

- Well of course it SHOULD Henry. Unfortunately we have to remember

that these are some of the same pediatricians who think that

injecting infants with mercury is/was good medicine (not exactly the

most critical thinkers out there). Instead of looking at the issue

with an open mind, I imagine many of these peds would look at it

more as " what's up with all these stupid parents wasting money on

quacks " ...

Sue M.

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just hand him a form to sign stating that if your son has ANY adverse reactions to the vaccines, you will hold him personally financially responsible. that should shut him up.a b <anothersillyuserid@...> wrote: Hi- I'd appreciate some help. My son has an upcoming well-check, and I am anticipating a confrontation when we tell the doctor we aren't doing any more shots. don't want to get into an argument - I don't want to pay for his time if it means arguing with me. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from

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Hi ,

Which state are you in? Most states allow you to claim religious

exemptions. They aren't based on your actual religion, they are

based on your beliefs.

I am in IL, and I wrote one for my NT daughter when she started

kindergarten. And I wrote one for my vaccine injured son, Nick,

last year when he started kindergarten, and this year I am writing

one for my vaccine injured son, . The school district never

gave me a problem.

As far as the pediatrician goes, ours didn't give me a hard time

about not getting boosters, and didn't have me sign a waiver.

However, if he did, I would have left that ped.

As far as what to tell the ped., just tell him the truth, your son

was injured from vaccines, and he is getting better now with

biomed/chelation (whatever you are doing), and there is NO WAY you

are going to give him any more of the poison that injured him in the

first place.

PS if you need help writing a religious exemption you can e-mail me.

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> Hi-

>

> I'd appreciate some help. My son has an upcoming well-check,

and I am anticipating a confrontation when we tell the doctor we

aren't doing any more shots.

>

> I don't want to get into an argument - I don't want to pay for

his time if it means arguing with me.

>

> I would like to help educate the good doctor somewhat, but I

don't want to waste my time, either.

>

> I dont' know if he will want me to sign some type of " I'm

refusing shots for my kids, aren't I a bad mom " kind of document or

not.

>

> I'd love to ask, " and just how are you compensated differently

according to how many of your patients are vaccinated " , but I don't

see a way to do that without putting him on the defensive big time.

(which may be appropriate but perhaps counter productive for our

well check visit)

>

> I'm looking forward to the visit somewhat because it was just

January when he told us our kid was most likely PDD and would always

be 'not quite right' (my words, his gist). He also spend a good 15

minutes telling us that GFCF was worthless. Well, of course we

didn't listen. We went GFCF in early March after seeing a DAN!

doctor, who also upped the dosages on the supplements I had already

started. In late April, we had a complete neuro-psych evaluation.

Our son now tests out in the normal range in everything she tested (

I suspect he is still behind according to his OT, though). So, I'm

looking forward to watching the doctor eat crow....

>

> Thanks in advance for any suggestions on handling this visit. I

also need to figure out how to get shot waivers in place as our son

starts kindergarten in the fall.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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Unfortunately going prepared with articles

for them is sometimes the only way to go. I used to sit for the lecture

but I could have recited it by the time I realize I couldn’t keep wasting

time. I go in now and say right off the bat, I understand your position

and realize it’s where you get your information, but I get my information

in an abundance too, it just happens to be the opposite of your info. So

let’s agree to disagree and just get to the actual appointment. My

pedi doesn’t even ask me anymore. But of course he saw my son

regress into autism just as I did and gives me more leeway than his other

parents. Good luck,

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of a b

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:28 PM

EOHarm

Subject: help requested -

need to prepare to tell doc NO MORE SHOTS

Hi-

I'd appreciate some help. My son has an upcoming well-check, and

I am anticipating a confrontation when we tell the doctor we aren't doing any

more shots.

I don't want to get into an argument - I don't want to pay for his time

if it means arguing with me.

I would like to help educate the good doctor somewhat, but I don't want

to waste my time, either.

I dont' know if he will want me to sign some type of " I'm refusing

shots for my kids, aren't I a bad mom " kind of document or not.

I'd love to ask, " and just how are you compensated differently

according to how many of your patients are vaccinated " , but I don't see a

way to do that without putting him on the defensive big time. (which may

be appropriate but perhaps counter productive for our well check visit)

I'm looking forward to the visit somewhat because it was just January

when he told us our kid was most likely PDD and would always be 'not quite

right' (my words, his gist). He also spend a good 15 minutes telling us

that GFCF was worthless. Well, of course we didn't listen. We went

GFCF in early March after seeing a DAN! doctor, who also upped the dosages on

the supplements I had already started. In late April, we had a complete

neuro-psych evaluation. Our son now tests out in the normal range in

everything she tested ( I suspect he is still behind according to his OT,

though). So, I'm looking forward to watching the doctor eat crow....

Thanks in advance for any suggestions on handling this visit. I

also need to figure out how to get shot waivers in place as our son starts

kindergarten in the fall.

Thanks,

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Dr. Stoller's letter in Pediatrics, May 5th [You should print and take this to your child’spediatrician!] http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/eletters/117/4/1028 Published in PEDIATRICS – The Journal of the

American Academy of Pediatrics Post-publication Peer Reviews to: ARTICLES: T. Shattuck The Contribution of Diagnostic Substitution to the Growing Administrative Prevalence of Autism in US Special EducationPediatrics 2006; 117: 1028-1037 [Abstract] [Full text] [PDF] P3Rs: Submit a response to this article P3Rs published: The obfuscation of the iatrogenic Autism epidemic P Stoller (5 May 2006) The obfuscation of the iatrogenic Autism epidemic 5 May 2006 P Stoller, pediatrician International Hyperbaric Medical Assoc Send letter to journal: Re: The obfuscation of the iatrogenic Autism epidemic E-mail P Stoller UW-Madison researcher Shattuck concludes that special education figures being used are "faulty and do not substantiate such a claim" (that there is an autism epidemic). Shattuck seems to be saying that all the reported autistic children have always been here, they were just called something else. As a pediatrician, who has been in practice for over two decades, I find it more than a little insulting as well as disturbing to have someone say that these children were always there. As a scientist, I find the current approach to the autism epidemic – “The Emperor’s New Clothes” approach - to be deeply disturbing. For years the vaccine division at the CDC and others have said the reason for

the dramatic increase in autism is due to "better diagnosing" and "greater awareness." They have encouraged those like Shattuck to manufacture uncertainty. Nevertheless, with eighty percent of autistic Americans under the age of 18, we will see, clothes and all, a dramatic impact on Social Security in coming years as these children become dependent adults. There are no studies that have found the previously undiagnosed or misdiagnosed autistic individuals among older Americans. They simply aren't there. We need to address the real reason for the alarming autism rate. No more secrets or truth-spinning. This is not a faux epidemiological epidemic, nor an infectious epidemic, nor a genetic epidemic (as there are no genetic epidemics). That leaves an epidemic linked to some sort of exposure. Now, the increase of

autism has been linked to the increase in mercury exposure through fish and industrial sources, amalgam and additionally, through increased parenteral exposure to ethylmercurithiosalicate. No controlled, randomized study regarding the safety of amalgam or ethylmercurithiosalicate exists. A recent study, using infant Macaca fascicularis primates exposed to injected ethylmercury or those exposed to equal amounts of ingested methylmercury, showed that ethylmercuy was retained twice as much inorganic mercury in their brains in comparison to the methylmercury exposed primates.(Burbacher T, et al. Comparison of blood and brain mercury levels in infant monkeys exposed to methylmercury or vaccines containing thimerosal. Environmental Health Perspectives, 2005 Aug:113(8):1015-21.)These primates were exposed to mercury

levels at a rate equal to what children in the United States received via standard childhood vaccines from 1991- 2003. Cysteine and glutathione synthesis are crucial for mercury detoxification, and are reduced in autistic children, possibly due to epigenetic polymorphisms. (Deth, R.C.: Truth revealed: New scientific discoveries regarding mercury in medicine and autism. Congressional Testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives. Subcommittee on human rights and wellness, Sept. 8. 2004, Waly M et al: Activation of methionine synthase by insulin-like growth factor1 and dopamine: a target for neurodevelopmental toxins and

thimerosal. Mol. Psychiatry 9, 358-370 2004). Therefore, autistic children have 20% lower levels of cysteine and 54% lower levels of glutathione, which adversely affect their ability to detoxify and excrete metals like mercury. (, S.J. et al.: Metabolic biomarkers of increased oxidative stress and impaired methylation capacity in children with autism. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 80, 1611-1617 2004).This leads to a higher concentration of free mercury in blood, which then transfers into tissues and increases the half-life of mercury in the body, as compared to children with normal levels of cysteine and glutathione. As was shown by Bradstreet et al (Bradstreet, J et al.: A case control study of mercury burden in children with autistic spectrum

disorders. J. Am. Phys. Surg. 8, 76-79 2003) in a study involving 221 autistic children, vaccinated autistic children showed about 6 fold elevation of urinary mercury than normal controls after appropriate mobilization with the chelating agent DMSA. Delayed detoxification of mercury severely impairs methylation reactions (required for the correct expression of DNA, RNA, and neurotransmitters), which further adversely affects growth factor derived development of the brain and attention abilities. Phospholipid methylation, which is crucial for attention, is impaired in autistic and attention deficit hyperactivity disorders. Ethyl mercury levels, seen ten days after vaccination (Pichichero et al: Mercury concentrations and metabolism in infants receiving vaccines containing thiomersal: a descriptive study.

Lancet 360, 1737-1741 2002) with ethylmercurithiosalicate doses lower than what infants received during the 1990s, produced greater than 50% inhibition of methylation. In vitro studies have shown that ethylmercurithiosalicate was more than 100-fold more potent than inorganic mercury in inhibiting such essential methylation reactions. Inorganic mercury was found to be 10 fold more potent than lead in inhibition of neuronal microtubule. (Stoiber, T et al.: Disturbed microtubule function and induction of micronuclei by chelate complexes of mercury(II). Mutat. Res. 563, 97-106 2004; Thier, R et al.: Interaction of metal salts with cytoskeletal motor protein systems. Toxicol. Lett. 140141, 75-81 2003). Inorganic mercury also leads to growth inhibition and denudation of neuronal growth cones. (Leong, C.C. et al:

Retrograde degeneration of neurite membrane structural integrity of nerve growth cones following in vitro exposure to mercury. Neuroreport 12, 733-737). It was also shown that concentrations of ethylmercurithiosalicate, which can occur after vaccination, induce membrane and DNA damage and initiate apoptosis in human neurons. (Baskin, D.S. et al: Thimerosal induces DNA breaks, caspase3 activation, membrane damage, and cell death in cultured human neurons and fibroblasts. Toxicol. Sci. 74, 361-368 2003). It has been estimated that about 15% of the population may show enhanced susceptibility to mercury exposure.

Levels of ethyl mercury found 8 days after vaccination leads to 50% inhibition of methionine synthase (MS). Compounding this toxic sequelae of ethylmercurithiosalicate, neurons are unable to synthesize cysteine, the rate limiting amino acid for glutathione synthesis. Thus, neurons are most sensitive to mercury toxicity since glutathione is the major intracellular agent in mercury and heavy metal detoxification. It is known that ethylmercurithiosalicate and inorganic mercury depletes intracellular glutathione levels, which subsequently leads to oxidative stress, neuronal cytotoxicity and death. In vitro studies suggest that the neurotoxicity of ethylmercurithiosalicate is enhanced through neomycin and aluminium hydroxide (ingredients in vaccines) and testosterone, while estrogen decreases the toxic effects. Estrogen

has been shown to decrease the toxicity of inorganic mercury which may explain the 4 to 1 ratio of boys to girls in autism. Lead may play a synergistic pathogenetic role in neurodevelopment disorders and autism. Combination of lead and mercury resulted in an increase of toxicity in vitro. In a first analysis of the VSD datasets, Verstraeten et al had described a 7.6 to 11.4 fold increase of autism risk in children at one month, with the highest mercury exposure levels compared to children with no exposure. In four subsequent separate generations of the analysis, which involve the exclusion of children with no ethylmercurithiosalicate exposure and less than two polio vaccines, the statistical significance disappeared. Ethylmercurithiosalicate was tested only once, by Eli Lilly on 22 adult patients suffering from meningitis. There was no chance for follow- up to observe long-term effects, as all of the patients in this "study" died. Even if follow-up had been possible, damage to the developing brains of very young children would have remained an unknown. Eli Lilly said it was safe and the medical community accepted it. After the creation of the FDA, its use was simply continued. The federal government has never tested the type of mercury in vaccines for toxicity. This is an unconscionable oversight failure at best, at worse it is an example that we have left consensus reality to be created by the liars, thieves, cheats, killers, and the PR junk scientists they employ. So, here we have a real problem, autism affecting 1 in 166 or even more – where is the public funding? Where is the public outcry? Where is the response from academia? There isn’t any! But in the case of bird flu, with no real evidence that the H5N1 virus is a health problem for humans that do not have the most intimate contact with birds combined with a compromised immune system, billions of dollars have been allocated to clothe this “Emperor.” We have troubling glimpses, in the press, of the brand-new bird-flu containment plan the White House is laying out as detailed in an April 16 Washington Post piece by Ceci Connolly, “U.S.

Plan For Flu Pandemic Revealed Multi-Agency Proposal Awaits Bush's Approval.” “...Experts project that the next pandemic -- depending on severity and countermeasures -- could kill 210,000 to 1.9 million Americans…National Guard troops could be dispatched to cities facing possible ‘insurrection,’ said W. Runge, chief medical officer at the Department of Homeland Security. ...The federal government -- as well as private businesses -- should expect as much as 40 percent of its workforce to be out during a pandemic, said Bruce Gellin, director of the National Vaccine Program Office at HHS. Some will be sick or dead; others could be depressed or caring for a loved one or staying at home to prevent spread of the virus. ‘The problem is, you never know which 40 percent will be out,’ he said.” Putting down

INSURRECTIONS, no more Bills Of Rights for the duration of the "pandemic." Chaos! Madness! Protect government workers first and foremost. All based on ZERO scientific evidence, all this is swinging into gear. April 15, two days before the above Washington Post article, an article in the Tacoma Tribune by M.A. Otto. It reports on a public-health conference in downtown Tacoma, with featured speaker, Gerberding, the head of the CDC. “ ‘There is no evidence it will be the next pandemic,’ Dr. Gerberding, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, said of avian flu. There is ‘no evidence it is evolving in a direction

that is becoming more transmissible to people.’” “Gerberding's comments on bird flu contrast earlier statements from the federal government that tended to emphasize worse-case scenarios.” So, there is no evidence of a pandemic, but thank you for the $7 billion anyway? We are living in a time where an incredible overplay and lies and self-aggrandizing behavior and non-science is the norm. Autism is a real problem, not a potential problem. We have tolerated the junk science that has covered up the true cause of this epidemic at a considerable cost to science, the public, and our very way of life in this country. Is it

stretch to realize that by putting our heads in the sand about the autism epidemic we have made it possible for the groundwork to be put in place for Marshal Law? Not something easy to contemplate? Then ask why haven’t pediatricians come forward to demand the end of the use of ethylmercurithiosalicate once and for all, and to advocate for the treatment of these children before it is too late? Conflict of Interest: None declared