Re: Newsweek article The Trouble With Boys

[Guest guest]

It's sure making the Geiers' testosterone/mercury hypothesis seem all the more

plausible!

http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

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> This article makes me think, is this phenomenon they're describing in

> reality the manifestation of injecting a whole generation of children

> with toxic levels of mercury?...

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> " By almost every benchmark, boys across the nation and in every

> demographic group are falling behind. In elementary school, boys are

> two times more likely than girls to be diagnosed with learning

> disabilities and twice as likely to be placed in special-education

> classes. High-school boys are losing ground to girls on standardized

> writing tests. The number of boys who said they didn't like school rose

> 71 percent between 1980 and 2001, according to a University of Michigan

> study. "

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> The Trouble With Boys

> They're kinetic, maddening and failing at school. Now educators are

> trying new ways to help them succeed.

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[Guest guest]

If the below comment were true, how do account for the fact that females are not

exhibiting the manifestation of injecting a whole generation of children with

toxic levels of mercury?

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> This article makes me think, is this phenomenon they're describing in

> reality the manifestation of injecting a whole generation of children

> with toxic levels of mercury?...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you familiar with what the Geiers and Boyd Haley are saying about the

synergistic

toxicity of thimerosal and testosterone?

Boyd Haley: http://www.autismmedia.org/media2.html

Geiers: http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

Five times as many boys are regressing into autism than girls. As Boyd Haley has

demonstrated in the lab, estrogen has a protective effect on neurons (grown in

culture)

when thimerosal was introduced (in nano-molar amounts). When the test was

repeated

with testosterone instead of estrogen...the introduction of thimerosal quickly

destroyed

the neurons.

The Geiers have discovered a bonding between mercury and testosterone...that

forms long

chains which then form " sheets " that are trapped in the fatty tissues of the

body (brain &

vital organs) making it very difficult to extricate the mercury from the body...

and

hindering the benefits of chelation treatements.

When girls are injured and regress into autism... they are often profoundly more

autistic

than the typical autistic boy... probably because of the sheer acuteness of the

mercury

exposure overwhelming the protective effects of estrogen. And nearly every

autistic child

tested for excess testosterone... shows levels far above normal. The same goes

for girls.

My own daughter's testosterone levels are more than 300% above normal for a girl

her

age. And her mercury is very high as well... It adds up.

Nanstiel

FAIR Autism Media

http://www.autismmedia.org/

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> If the below comment were true, how do account for the fact that females are

not

exhibiting the manifestation of injecting a whole generation of children with

toxic levels of

mercury?

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> >

> > This article makes me think, is this phenomenon they're describing in

> > reality the manifestation of injecting a whole generation of children

> > with toxic levels of mercury?...

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[Guest guest]

It's a very important question that deserve a LOT of study. The data is just too

compelling

to ignore.

http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

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> and do all the females who are affected have high testosterone levels?

[Guest guest]

Without trying to put blame on parents ('cause we all know about

that!) I do think there is something to be said for a society who only

has 25% of homes having both parents in the home. Don't get me wrong,

I'm not accusing any divorced/single parents here as being responsible

in any way for autism or neurological/biological injury. But, when the

US Census report says only 25% of families have both parents in the

home, that certainly has to have an impact on all our kids trying to

grow up. What is the statistic, like over 90% of men in prison had no

dads? I know when my father died when I was 11, I went from being

classified as gifted to several years later having a significant drop

in my standardized testing, IQ testing, and grades. It was because I

was struggling with not having my dad. These things do make a

difference, I think the trick is to find out how to scientifically

find how to measure/test what causes what.

Debi

[Guest guest]

I have wondered about this because my mother has an allergy to

thimerosal. She is Rh- and got the shots when preg with me in 1971. I

had MANY symptoms of autism growing up, except for language, had lots

of that. Now my first girl is NT, my second has autism, and my third

has mild language delay. I had amalgams with all of them, but got a

flu shot the first weeks of gestation, a rubella booster at 6 wks

postpartum while breastfeeding, and Allie born in 1999 got the full

dose mercury injections, by nine mos of age regressed with a hepB.

Dinah, my youngest, has had no vaccines, but I still have the metal

amalgams and don't forget the flu vaccine and rubella booster I got

just 3 years prior. If Dr. Geier's theory is correct, it could be the

only thing preventing my girls from being as profoundly autistic is

the estrogen factor, but even estrogen can't stop it if enough mercury

gets in as it did with my Allie Kat.

Debi

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> If the below comment were true, how do account for the fact that

females are not exhibiting the manifestation of injecting a whole

generation of children with toxic levels of mercury?

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[Guest guest]

The number of parents in the home has nothing to do with the onset of autism or

its

treatment...beyond how much nurturing and support a child receives. However

nurturing

roles can be played by grandparents, older siblings, etc.

However I too lament in the degradation of the traditional " nuclear family " in

this country.

From what I can see, it started in the 60's and 70's when it became more common

that

both parents were entering into full-time careers.

Now, it's hard enough for a family to survive financially and live a

middle-classed lifestyle

without two full-time incomes. But what precipitated it? Did the economy mold

itself

around the two-income lifestyle... eventually making two incomes necessary... or

did

inflation dictate that mothers needed to enter the workforce?

Either way, I'd like to see the return of the " stay-at-home " mom or dad and less

emphasis

in society on the entertainment industry as a mainstay of family activities.

Kids should be

learning about life and love from their PARENTS or primary caregivers...not

hollywood.

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> Without trying to put blame on parents ('cause we all know about

> that!) I do think there is something to be said for a society who only

> has 25% of homes having both parents in the home. Don't get me wrong,

> I'm not accusing any divorced/single parents here as being responsible

> in any way for autism or neurological/biological injury. But, when the

> US Census report says only 25% of families have both parents in the

> home, that certainly has to have an impact on all our kids trying to

> grow up. What is the statistic, like over 90% of men in prison had no

> dads? I know when my father died when I was 11, I went from being

> classified as gifted to several years later having a significant drop

> in my standardized testing, IQ testing, and grades. It was because I

> was struggling with not having my dad. These things do make a

> difference, I think the trick is to find out how to scientifically

> find how to measure/test what causes what.

>

> Debi

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that parenting has NOTHING to do with autism/treatments and

parenting has NOTHING to do with actual neurological problems like

mercury poisoning. But, there are lots of diagnoses with neurological

roots given to boys who misbehave. My point is that a neuro-biological

diagnosis without neuro-biological markers isn't always a correct

diagnosis, especially when we get into the very subtle issues, like

ADD/HD. There are those with definite ADD/HD and those with behavior

issues that are simply nurturing issues, and some with a combination.

I only hesitate to call these similar behaviors something unless we

know for sure that it is what we say it is. Pretty scary to see a

child put on medication when diet or natural supps could be the root

" fix " just as it's scary to see a child on meds when it's lack of

nurturing that is the real reason for behaviors being displayed.

In fact, I watched my NT first grader get complaints from her teacher

that she was never completing projects, always figiting, etc. I know

she was DYING to tell me she had ADHD. Then the teacher went on to say

that in first grade they went to the playground 2 days a week, that

most in her class were having behavior problems, etc. So she was

expecting 6-7 year old kids to be glued to a desk with no sensory

input, then label them all with " issues " . We need to do a self-check

with what's an appropriate expectation before we assume they aren't

capable or misbehaving.

Debi

Debi

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> The number of parents in the home has nothing to do with the onset

of autism or its

> treatment...beyond how much nurturing and support a child receives.

However nurturing

> roles can be played by grandparents, older siblings, etc.

>

> However I too lament in the degradation of the traditional " nuclear

family " in this country.

> From what I can see, it started in the 60's and 70's when it became

more common that

> both parents were entering into full-time careers.

>

> Now, it's hard enough for a family to survive financially and live a

middle-classed lifestyle

> without two full-time incomes. But what precipitated it? Did the

economy mold itself

> around the two-income lifestyle... eventually making two incomes

necessary... or did

> inflation dictate that mothers needed to enter the workforce?

>

> Either way, I'd like to see the return of the " stay-at-home " mom or

dad and less emphasis

> in society on the entertainment industry as a mainstay of family

activities. Kids should be

> learning about life and love from their PARENTS or primary

caregivers...not hollywood.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> In fact, I watched my NT first grader get complaints from her teacher

> that she was never completing projects, always figiting, etc. I know

> she was DYING to tell me she had ADHD. Then the teacher went on to say

> that in first grade they went to the playground 2 days a week, that

> most in her class were having behavior problems, etc. So she was

> expecting 6-7 year old kids to be glued to a desk with no sensory

> input, then label them all with " issues " . We need to do a self-check

> with what's an appropriate expectation before we assume they aren't

> capable or misbehaving.

Debi,

I am just encountering this now. What a reliefe to hear this from

you. My NT son has just turned 8. He has been home schooled for 3

years. We have travelled and worked on both sides of the 49th during

this time. He is considered by all a very well behaved, polite, above

intelligent child.

After putting him in school this year (cannot home school and do ABA

for our ASD son) I have been given the party line in school. " He asks

too many questions, he fidgets etc. " To add to this his teacher is new

in the system and believes in what I call the " Fantasy Classroom " .

He has no problems at home, none with friends, adutls etc. NONE. He

brings me coffee in the morning, crushes his brothers vitamins, does

extra homework.... Yet, yesterday, the teacher tried to get me to go

to the doctor and get him put Ridalyn. I could not believe it, ok lets

drug the little sucker.

When did teachers start diagnosing children? When did we need to start

turning our little boys into cookie cutter automitons? When did

society start thinking that the nature of a little boy - gregarious,

happy, active, sensitive etc. was a bad thing? When I was growing up

these were good signs of a healthy, well adjusted child. Now they want

to give them a derivative of cocaine - a long term, untested, addictive

drug.

Sorry for the long post, I am just floored.

[Guest guest]

I know with Allie's sensory integration I've seen a lot of stuff about

learning in general. Boys are kinestic learners from young ages (I

mean there's an exception to every rule, but generally) and if a boy

can't be outdoors running, chasing, wrestling, climbing, getting all

that sensory input that our kids with autism need, how are they

expected to behave in a classroom? And, if a child does have

biological problems, poor nutrition, evironmental insult, etc, then

how much MORE important are sensory strategies to help their minds and

nervous systems overcome the negative impacts from biological warfare

on their bodies. I really think it's a catch 22, you have to have the

sensory input to function, and to function need the sensory input. If

there are other things at play like environment, it's gonna be that

much worse. The fact is, girls don't typically require the same

sensory inputs. Having 3 girls and no boys, I once asked a friend with

both which is easier. Her response was, " Little girls want to sit and

have tea parties, little boys want to get sticks and break everything

in the house... " That can explain in part why the more sedentary

lifestyles aren't impacting them as much. Of course, there's a

biological reasoning for all the outward behaviors for everything.

Debi

[Guest guest]

My husband read this article and he thinks that its possible that there is a

problem with boys. He believes that it could again be mercury. Not so far

fetched when you consider that it does affect more boys then girls and that

it is a 'spectrum' disorder. Some children who we would never dx as

ADD/ADHD/Asperger or Autistic could have been affected much more mildly.