Re: I see your pictures...and I want to believe...

[Guest guest]

! Don't do diet pills! I was in weight watchers as well, and the

problem is that the calories aren't high enough. Your metabolism keeps getting

lower the less you eat. With intense workouts, you need to have enough fuel.

Over the past 6 months, I have raised my metabolism 400 calories just by intense

workouts and eating more calories 6 times a day. I can now eat 400-500 more

calories a day and still weigh the same! I have a lot more muscle now too! The

only tweak you might want to make to the program is sticking to only protein for

your last meal. I say this just b/c you say that your thyroid is really low.

That might help you

Jen <jentheartist@...> wrote: Hi all!

I don't know what is wrong with me...I am 38 and post menopausal

(surgical)...I have to lose at least 40 lbs...I can not stand my gut

anymore! My legs are not horrible,my arms are not bad, but my butt

and belly are SCARY...

I just came off of 12 weeks of WW and over that whole 12 weeks of

not cheating and working out with it, I lost 2.6 lbs! I have been

working out 5 days a week for 45-60 min... I haven't dropped a pound

or an inch... what is wrong?

I saw this book... I would like to try it...I need something to

work! My doctor tested my thyroid, it's low but not low enough to

treat... he said (nicely) that I have a " survivor cave woman

metabolism " ...the more I diet the less it lets go... but if I just

eat, it doesn't let it go either! *grin*...

Please let me know if this book enlightened anyone else with the

same or similar delima as me... I am SO desparate! I have even been

tempted to try diet pills! I hate pills!

Thanks for any advice!

Gonna lose it in 06!!!

[Guest guest]

> I don't know what is wrong with me...

Mindset ..there is noting 'wrong' with you! If you believe so, you

become so. ;-) Positive thinking really does go along way! Also

visualization helps too - cut out pictures to motivate you, paste

positive sayings on your bathroom mirro for positive reinforcement

and WRITE your goals down - why/what/how(theplan!) and read them

daily!

<I am 38 and postmenopausal (surgical)>>

Are you on hormones? If so what? This is like a crink in the big

picture - managable and certainly not as big of an obstacle as you

may think or are letting it be. You can always go around an obstacle

when you cant climb over it ;-) I'm sure there are others on this

board that can speak about hormone replacement etc. better than I

can.

>I have to lose at least 40 lbs...I can not stand my gut

> anymore! My legs are not horrible,my arms are not bad,

> but my butt and belly are SCARY...

Everyone has their starting point and their flaws(imagined or real

LoL!) but the fact you can see some relatively 'good' bodyparts is a

good thing to note and keep that in mind always. Again positive

thinking. Be the best you can be.

> I just came off of 12 weeks of WW and over that whole 12 weeks of

> not cheating and working out with it, I lost 2.6 lbs! I have been

> working out 5 days a week for 45-60 min...I haven't dropped a

> pound or an inch... what is wrong?

Nothings WRONG! Stop saying that! LoL! You dont say just what you

were doing for exercise nor how many points you were eating or how

they translate into caloric intake. I think many people fool

themselves on WW (and many on BFL too) into thinking they arent

eating all that much (I know I sure did)and it wasnt until I

actually tracked some calories (manually at first and then with

http://www.fitday.com) did it open my eyes to calorie *density* and

real portion sizes. Great visual book called 'Picture Perfect

Weightloss' compares foods, same calories but shows you the choices

between them: http://tinyurl.com/bcht2

> I saw this book... I would like to try it...I need something to

> work! My doctor tested my thyroid, it's low but not low enough to

> treat... he said (nicely) that I have a " survivor cave woman

> metabolism " ...the more I diet the less it lets go... but if I just

> eat, it doesn't let it go either! *grin*...

You really do create your own metabolism. There is the 'hampster

metabolism' where women eat less & less but cardio more & more (like

a hampster on a wheel!)to try to keep or lose more scale weight.

What they dont realize is that they are wasting muscle away and thus

destroying their metabolisms. They become 'skinny fat' with a high

bodyfat percentage to lean ratio. Muscle tissue is active - it uses

calories as fuel so you have to gain some muscle - stop scale

watching - get you bodyfat tested and target THAT to go down and not

necessarily just the scale-ho. Its evil dont touch it! ;-) Your body

composition WILL change, you may just need to 'work it' a bit more

than some others!

Have a read thru the Hussmans website for a primer on how

calories work, your metabolism and creating a CONSISTANT caloric

deficit thru exercise and diet (meaning your daily food intake and

not another d-i-e-t) this should be anew beginning for you as a way

of life and not a BOdyFor12weeks - so here is a link to the Hussman

website: http://www.hussmanfitness.org/

Also have a look/read thru the many links on to the left on this

groups main page - there is a FAQ and lots of info in there too.

Best of luck in reaching your goals - set small increments and it

deosnt seem so overwhelming to get started - remember take small

beginner steps/little positive changes and think of where you want

to be by next year at this same time. You CAN do it, and we can be

here to give you the support you may need along the way :-)

Whew! Guess thats enough for now!

joni

--------------------------------------------

*Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long*

[Guest guest]

Thank you Joni!

I have been working on the visualize thing... looking at pictures of

me when I was the size I liked to be...it's easier for me to

visualize when my face is on the picture *grin*

Even if it was 10 or 15 years ago!

I opted to not take hormones....my doctor asked me to take Premeran

for 30 days after the surgery and I did try the bio-identical

hormone creams for a short time, but those broke my face out

something horrible...I think a hormone imbalance in me is too

counter productive. I haven't had many side effects..occassional

hot flashes (sweaty face yuck) but really nothing else.

I recently moved and have a new family doctor and he suggested since

I am not on any hormones that I try a low dose of an antidepressant

to help my " brain wires " LOL... I have to admit, I didn't think I

needed it, but I am taking 1/2 a pill and have noticed a difference

in my anxiety levels (not that I went nuts or anything, but it's

kept me from freaking out so bad at work) I use to freak out a

little in private when things seemed overwhelming... they don't get

to me too much anymore. But no hormones...I am needing to take

calcium now to slow down Osteopiena...which I never thought I would

have because I have a " thick " build anyhow and the Dr. said actually

since I have the bones structure and a lot of muscle, he's not going

to make me take Rx calcium, just over the counter...He said the

working out will help slow that process.

As for my body image...I have come to terms that my body isn't all

of me, my personality and everything that goes with it makes up

quite a bit, but I am scared because our family history (on my Mom's

side...Dad is adopted so we have no clue) runs towards obesity and

techincally I am considered obese...so I am worried and wanting to

stop that cycle. I weigh 190 but no one can believe it (we carry

the weight well distributed too *grin*) so at least I have that

going for me...and I am muscular, so under my flab, there is a lot

of toned strength...I just have to find it again.

I actually did do the WW tracking and made sure I stayed in my

points and rarely used my weekly points...24 points is a lot of

food! A lot more than I am use to eating! The other thing that my

doctor told me was to just eat when I was hungry...well, I can go

most of the day without getting hungry...I know that's not good for

me.

But with WW, the leader said I had to eat the 24 and up to 4 of my

workout points...so most of the time, after dinner, I would find

myself with 5-7 points left and try to find ways to get those

in...most of the time with healthy foods like an apple or something

similar, but sometimes I would have a cup of hot chocolate (3

points) or 2 bags of the trick or treat size peanut M & M's (3 pts)

because I love those! (Nut addict here)

I forgot all about fitday.com...thanks! I will go there again!

My work out looks like this: 20 min of cardio (tread mill or

eliptical) then weight training for 20 min. Recently added 2 days a

week of a workout video since it makes me feel like I am really

working out more. I know I need to increase my weights (either the

weight or the reps) because that portion of my workout has seemed

too easy...but I am working out with a friend from work M-F from

5am - 6am and we have only missed a couple of workouts in the last

month... that is WAY more than I have ever worked out in my life...I

use to do 3 days a week...a few years ago, I joined a gym and did 3

days a week with the same workout plan and lost 30 lbs fairly

quickly (3 months I think) and that's sort of what I was hoping for

this time... but it's not doing it this time... I will keep working

at it though because I know persistance pays... I was just curious

if BFL had some secret insight into the aging process and why things

are slower/different now.

I will look at the Hussman site...never heard of that site

before...thanks!

Thanks for such a detailed response! I appreciate it!!!

[Guest guest]

> I am needing to take calcium now ...just over the counter

> He said the working out will help slow that process.

I think every woman should take a calcium supplement but take it as

a combo with magnesium for better absorbtion:

http://www.thezephyr.com/health/healthcf.htm

> the doctor told me was to just eat when I was hungry...

> well, I can go most of the day without getting hungry...

> I know that's not good for me.

Hmmm that says alot about how much your doctor knows about

nutrition! You should be eating something small balanced and

nutritious every two to three hours. You are fueling your body! Not

just 'when you are hungry' - thats stupidity/shame on that doctor!

> But with WW, the leader said I had to eat the 24 and up to 4 of my

> workout points...

24 - 28 points is about 1050 to 1500 calories depending on your

choices and fiber content. So you could be on the low end and that

sets your body up for starvation mode where it hoards bodyfat for

the next percieved famine coming (that never really does!) The human

body is smart - you have to outwit it. You might find you are eating

abit more on BFL, but thats ok its all about choices.

> My work out looks like this: 20 min of cardio (tread mill or

> eliptical) then weight training for 20 min.

Do your cardio AFTER weights if you must do them on the same day -

otherwise alternate days or do them different times of the day. You

will get more benefit from both if you dont do cardio before

weights. Remember the 20min of BFL cardio is HIIT style and not just

the average stroll in the park that most people think of as cardio -

make it intense. You may want to add some of that 'recreational

cardio' at a different time of the day (for the heck of it)and that

would be like 30-40 minutes additional to the basic BFL plan.

joni

__________________________________

*lalalala off to work I go ...

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Well, I had initially started BFL the end of NOV but did a few days

then nothing so I OFFICIALLY re-started 1/1/06 and have been pretty

consistent. I am over 40, 4 kids, and had a hysterectomy a year

ago. My thyroid was tested and my doctor told me basically the same

thing - no meds. I am 5'9 " and my weight 1/01/06 was 179.1 pounds,

body fat tested at 35.6% (using calipers) and I was a tight size 12

pants. Sunday I took my measurements again (start of week 6). I

weigh 179 pounds - lost only .1 pounds - BUT...my body fat

measurement went down to 24.06%! I've lost inches and my size 12

pants are loose, especially in the waist. I have found that I try

and train heavy on the weights, which has really helped. My weak

area is cardio - I HATE CARDIO! However, I have found that my body

craves it and I feel great when it is over. Weird. Anyway, hang in

there!!

in Atlanta :-)

>

> Hi all!

> I don't know what is wrong with me...I am 38 and post menopausal

> (surgical)...I have to lose at least 40 lbs...I can not stand my

gut

> anymore! My legs are not horrible,my arms are not bad, but my

butt

> and belly are SCARY...

> I just came off of 12 weeks of WW and over that whole 12 weeks of

> not cheating and working out with it, I lost 2.6 lbs! I have been

> working out 5 days a week for 45-60 min... I haven't dropped a

pound

> or an inch... what is wrong?

> I saw this book... I would like to try it...I need something to

> work! My doctor tested my thyroid, it's low but not low enough to

> treat... he said (nicely) that I have a " survivor cave woman

> metabolism " ...the more I diet the less it lets go... but if I just

> eat, it doesn't let it go either! *grin*...

> Please let me know if this book enlightened anyone else with the

> same or similar delima as me... I am SO desparate! I have even

been

> tempted to try diet pills! I hate pills!

> Thanks for any advice!

> Gonna lose it in 06!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<<I have found that I try and train heavy on the weights, which has really

helped. My weak

area is cardio - I HATE CARDIO!>>>

I'm the opposite, I HATE training with weights but LOVE cardio. Who would of

thought that I would love to run?!

I'm a neighbor of yours in Atlanta!

a

[Guest guest]

Thanks ...

I like weights better than cardio too but I think it's because it

shows me just how out of shape I am! LOL... I can do 30 minutes of

cardio, but it's not fun. I think I am going to start dancing

more...that's cardio right?

> >

> > Hi all!

> > I don't know what is wrong with me...I am 38 and post menopausal

> > (surgical)...I have to lose at least 40 lbs...I can not stand my

> gut

> > anymore! My legs are not horrible,my arms are not bad, but my

> butt

> > and belly are SCARY...

> > I just came off of 12 weeks of WW and over that whole 12 weeks

of

> > not cheating and working out with it, I lost 2.6 lbs! I have

been

> > working out 5 days a week for 45-60 min... I haven't dropped a

> pound

> > or an inch... what is wrong?

> > I saw this book... I would like to try it...I need something to

> > work! My doctor tested my thyroid, it's low but not low enough

to

> > treat... he said (nicely) that I have a " survivor cave woman

> > metabolism " ...the more I diet the less it lets go... but if I

just

> > eat, it doesn't let it go either! *grin*...

> > Please let me know if this book enlightened anyone else with the

> > same or similar delima as me... I am SO desparate! I have even

> been

> > tempted to try diet pills! I hate pills!

> > Thanks for any advice!

> > Gonna lose it in 06!!!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tara... I bought the book today and am going to get

balanced... my problem with WW was too many points...I had a hard

time eating that much! But I can do small meals and such throughout

the day much better... if I don't have to " focus on how many points "

something is, I should do better!

Thanks again!

Hi all!

> I don't know what is wrong with me...I am 38 and post menopausal

> (surgical)...I have to lose at least 40 lbs...I can not stand my

gut

> anymore! My legs are not horrible,my arms are not bad, but my

butt

> and belly are SCARY...

> I just came off of 12 weeks of WW and over that whole 12 weeks of

> not cheating and working out with it, I lost 2.6 lbs! I have been

> working out 5 days a week for 45-60 min... I haven't dropped a

pound

> or an inch... what is wrong?

> I saw this book... I would like to try it...I need something to

> work! My doctor tested my thyroid, it's low but not low enough to

> treat... he said (nicely) that I have a " survivor cave woman

> metabolism " ...the more I diet the less it lets go... but if I just

> eat, it doesn't let it go either! *grin*...

> Please let me know if this book enlightened anyone else with the

> same or similar delima as me... I am SO desparate! I have even

been

> tempted to try diet pills! I hate pills!

> Thanks for any advice!

> Gonna lose it in 06!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Joni!

I never realized that 24-28 points was that few of calories! I

thought I was " pigging out " but you have a point...it was mostly

veggies and WW dinners or Lean Cuisine...

Thanks for the calcium tip too, I am taking one with magnesium and

zinc.

I was doing the cardio first to " warm me up " then the weights...but

I bought the book today and my work out buddy and I have decided to

follow the plan in the book alternating days and doing upper & lower

body in between. (She's really motivational because she's like a

size 4 or 6 and thinks she needs to lose weight! Ha! Boy do I have

her beat! But I imagine myself getting to a size 8 or 10 and

looking really good!) I can not get to my " recommended " weight

because I look TERRIBLE...I had a time in my life (early 20's) when

I couldn't afford groceries...so I was 120 lbs and I looked

anorexic! I will be thrilled to get to 140-150.

I am also going to add dancing back into my evenings...more likely

at home for a little while after work! That's the joy of living

alone, who cares right? )

Thanks again Joni! You have some great information!

> > I am needing to take calcium now ...just over the counter

> > He said the working out will help slow that process.

>

> I think every woman should take a calcium supplement but take it

as

> a combo with magnesium for better absorbtion:

> http://www.thezephyr.com/health/healthcf.htm

>

> > the doctor told me was to just eat when I was hungry...

> > well, I can go most of the day without getting hungry...

> > I know that's not good for me.

>

> Hmmm that says alot about how much your doctor knows about

> nutrition! You should be eating something small balanced and

> nutritious every two to three hours. You are fueling your body!

Not

> just 'when you are hungry' - thats stupidity/shame on that doctor!

>

>

> > But with WW, the leader said I had to eat the 24 and up to 4 of

my

> > workout points...

>

> 24 - 28 points is about 1050 to 1500 calories depending on your

> choices and fiber content. So you could be on the low end and that

> sets your body up for starvation mode where it hoards bodyfat for

> the next percieved famine coming (that never really does!) The

human

> body is smart - you have to outwit it. You might find you are

eating

> abit more on BFL, but thats ok its all about choices.

>

> > My work out looks like this: 20 min of cardio (tread mill or

> > eliptical) then weight training for 20 min.

>

> Do your cardio AFTER weights if you must do them on the same day -

> otherwise alternate days or do them different times of the day.

You

> will get more benefit from both if you dont do cardio before

> weights. Remember the 20min of BFL cardio is HIIT style and not

just

> the average stroll in the park that most people think of as

cardio -

> make it intense. You may want to add some of that 'recreational

> cardio' at a different time of the day (for the heck of it)and

that

> would be like 30-40 minutes additional to the basic BFL plan.

>

>

> joni

> __________________________________

> *lalalala off to work I go ...

>