Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 In a message dated 19/11/2006 21:14:26 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@... writes: Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I dimly remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be taken together (because they bind each other, I think, and become unavailable). Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and zinc and she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple rings round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and cold sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and I'm trying to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice gratefully received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped it as a first step. >>>I have read that Calcium should be given away from other minerals and zinc also. I do calcium but give zinc with others. I hate FOS since it made Sam's parasite grow so big and strong - grhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it sounds such good stuff when you read about it. How is she feeling in herself - can she explain to you? Have her poops changed? Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 She can't explain. She talks a lot but only round in circles if you know what I mean. She seems edgy but not impossibly so. Lots of energy -- lots of force, effort -- so the physical things we do have got better -- she puts more effort into them rather than just be floppy. What my Mum used to call " driven " . Lost some sort of peace in herself. Brain agitation. What finally spooked me was watching her play a computer game, listen to music, sing along and hold a disjointed conversation with herself at the same time. She seemed so harassed. Thanks Sally Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > In a message dated 19/11/2006 21:14:26 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ > ntlworld. com writes: > > Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I > dimly > remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be taken > together (because they bind each other, I think, and become > unavailable) . Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and > selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and zinc and > she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple rings > round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and cold > sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and I'm > trying > to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice gratefully > received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped it > as a > first step. > > >>>I have read that Calcium should be given away from other minerals > and zinc also. I do calcium but give zinc with others. > > I hate FOS since it made Sam's parasite grow so big and strong - > grhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it sounds such good stuff when you read about it. > > How is she feeling in herself - can she explain to you? Have her poops > changed? > > Mandi x > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Further on poops -- they got better -- not smelly, dark brown rather than yellow, more regular stopped floating -- when I added digestive enzymes. Adding FOS seemed to make her go more often, twice a day and she seemed to be experiencing some sort of pain which was cured by going to the loo but it seemed quite intense. So bearing your remark in mind, I cut out FOS Sally Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > In a message dated 19/11/2006 21:14:26 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ > ntlworld. com writes: > > Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I > dimly > remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be taken > together (because they bind each other, I think, and become > unavailable) . Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and > selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and zinc and > she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple rings > round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and cold > sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and I'm > trying > to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice gratefully > received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped it > as a > first step. > > >>>I have read that Calcium should be given away from other minerals > and zinc also. I do calcium but give zinc with others. > > I hate FOS since it made Sam's parasite grow so big and strong - > grhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it sounds such good stuff when you read about it. > > How is she feeling in herself - can she explain to you? Have her poops > changed? > > Mandi x > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 What’s FOS please Sally? Sara Re: mineral combinations Further on poops -- they got better -- not smelly, dark brown rather than yellow, more regular stopped floating -- when I added digestive enzymes. Adding FOS seemed to make her go more often, twice a day and she seemed to be experiencing some sort of pain which was cured by going to the loo but it seemed quite intense. So bearing your remark in mind, I cut out FOS Sally Mum231ASDaol wrote: > > In a message dated 19/11/2006 21:14:26 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ > ntlworld. com writes: > > Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I > dimly > remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be taken > together (because they bind each other, I think, and become > unavailable) . Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and > selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and zinc and > she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple rings > round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and cold > sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and I'm > trying > to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice gratefully > received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped it > as a > first step. > > >>>I have read that Calcium should be given away from other minerals > and zinc also. I do calcium but give zinc with others. > > I hate FOS since it made Sam's parasite grow so big and strong - > grhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it sounds such good stuff when you read about it. > > How is she feeling in herself - can she explain to you? Have her poops > changed? > > Mandi x > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Fruct-oligosaccharides -- supposed to feed good bacteria in your lower bowel. I think that it is soluble fibre which is not digested until it gets to the lower bowel, where, in theory only good bacteria can feed on it. In so doing they increase in numbers etc. Soluble fibre is also found in stuff like porage oats. And Fos is found naturally in things like artichokes (that people with autism don't eat very often). I'm not necessarily blaming it. I have only put in small amounts startin g with half a teaspoonful a day. I got upto one teaspoonful and didn't increase it because I wasn't happy with how things were going. May not be FOS causing the problems. As Mandi says it's only supposed to do good things Sally Sass and Rem wrote: > > What’s FOS please Sally? > > Sara > > > > * Re: mineral combinations > > > > Further on poops -- they got better -- not smelly, dark brown rather > than yellow, more regular stopped floating -- when I added digestive > enzymes. Adding FOS seemed to make her go more often, twice a day and > she seemed to be experiencing some sort of pain which was cured by going > to the loo but it seemed quite intense. So bearing your remark in mind, > I cut out FOS > Sally > > Mum231ASDaol (DOT) com <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > In a message dated 19/11/2006 21:14:26 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ > > ntlworld. com writes: > > > > Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I > > dimly > > remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be taken > > together (because they bind each other, I think, and become > > unavailable) . Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and > > selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and zinc and > > she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple rings > > round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and cold > > sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and I'm > > trying > > to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice gratefully > > received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped it > > as a > > first step. > > > > >>>I have read that Calcium should be given away from other minerals > > and zinc also. I do calcium but give zinc with others. > > > > I hate FOS since it made Sam's parasite grow so big and strong - > > grhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it sounds such good stuff when you read about it. > > > > How is she feeling in herself - can she explain to you? Have her poops > > changed? > > > > Mandi x > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: > 15/11/2006 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 20/11/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 This sounds a bit like our son before we went SCD. his bms changed together with his behaviour once we cut out complex carbs. it sounds as if she is making gains which are partly masked by yeast or bacterial overgrowth. you might want to consider giving that diet a try. maybe also a good bacterial like OLE. what is Pancreatin? Natasa > > > > In a message dated 19/11/2006 21:14:26 GMT Standard Time, bobsallyeva@ > > ntlworld. com writes: > > > > Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I > > dimly > > remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be taken > > together (because they bind each other, I think, and become > > unavailable) . Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and > > selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and zinc and > > she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple rings > > round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and cold > > sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and I'm > > trying > > to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice gratefully > > received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped it > > as a > > first step. > > > > >>>I have read that Calcium should be given away from other minerals > > and zinc also. I do calcium but give zinc with others. > > > > I hate FOS since it made Sam's parasite grow so big and strong - > > grhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it sounds such good stuff when you read about it. > > > > How is she feeling in herself - can she explain to you? Have her poops > > changed? > > > > Mandi x > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Pancreatin is digestive enzymes similar to those made by the pancreas. It's actually made from animal digestive enzymes to substitute for a non or under working pancreas. I tried it because 's book in an off hand moment describes the poo of someone who can't digest fats (which is what the pancreas does) and says that they are pale, soft, full of air and float. That was my daughter's poo. AR says give these enzymes, I did and I haven't seen her pooh since ie it sinks and is flushed away. It also stopped being smelly (so for a time I wondered whether she had simply stopped going) and she stopped being so hun gry all the time. Previously she would eat a fatty meal and behave as if she has eaten nothing. So all in all I believe in the Pancreatin. There are lots of other digestive enzymes. Mandi sells lots. Pancreatin is recommended as part of the Yasko protocol but I didn't know that when I tried it. There is a whole book called Enzymes for Autism by DeFelice which I haven't read yet but have just got as a freebie for joining Autism is Treatable. I will think hard about your remarks about something masking gains because you are right, that is very much what it feels like Sally natasa778 wrote: > > This sounds a bit like our son before we went SCD. his bms changed > together with his behaviour once we cut out complex carbs. it sounds as > if she is making gains which are partly masked by yeast or bacterial > overgrowth. you might want to consider giving that diet a try. maybe > also a good bacterial like OLE. > > what is Pancreatin? > > Natasa > > > > > > > > In a message dated 19/11/2006 21:14:26 GMT Standard Time, > bobsallyeva@ > > > ntlworld. com writes: > > > > > > Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I > > > dimly > > > remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be > taken > > > together (because they bind each other, I think, and become > > > unavailable) . Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and > > > selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and > zinc and > > > she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple > rings > > > round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and > cold > > > sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and > I'm > > > trying > > > to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice > gratefully > > > received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped > it > > > as a > > > first step. > > > > > > >>>I have read that Calcium should be given away from other minerals > > > and zinc also. I do calcium but give zinc with others. > > > > > > I hate FOS since it made Sam's parasite grow so big and strong - > > > grhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it sounds such good stuff when you read about it. > > > > > > How is she feeling in herself - can she explain to you? Have her > poops > > > changed? > > > > > > Mandi x > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: > 15/11/2006 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 20/11/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Hi Sally our dr says that zinc should be given at different times to calcium - I do cal in the morning and zinc at night. Calcium and madnesium are good together - we give a supplement called cal mag which is a mixture of the two. Peta- -- In Autism Treatment , Eva family <bobsallyeva@...> wrote: > > Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I dimly > remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be taken > together (because they bind each other, I think, and become > unavailable). Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and > selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and zinc and > she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple rings > round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and cold > sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and I'm trying > to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice gratefully > received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped it as a > first step. > Sally > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Brilliant thank you. I'm actually giving the zinc with breakfast which is milky porage so I will shift it. In fact I will swap it with the magnesium and do possible good instead of possible ill Sally peta3366 wrote: > > Hi Sally our dr says that zinc should be given at different times to > calcium - I do cal in the morning and zinc at night. Calcium and > madnesium are good together - we give a supplement called cal mag > which is a mixture of the two. > Peta- > > -- In Autism-Biomedical- Europe@grou ps.com > <mailto:Autism Treatment%40>, Eva family > <bobsallyeva@ ...> wrote: > > > > Are there groups of minerals that shouldn't be taken together? I > dimly > > remember a post saying that calcium and magnesium shouldn't be > taken > > together (because they bind each other, I think, and become > > unavailable) . Are there others? My daughter takes magnesium and > > selenium. She's usually calm. I added FOS and Pancreatin and zinc > and > > she's been steadily becoming more hyper with unbudging purple > rings > > round her eyes, she's just gone down with dry flaking skin and > cold > > sores across her upper lip. Stuff is starting to go wrong and I'm > trying > > to work out what it might be. Any suggestions or advice gratefully > > received. Mandi raised her eyebrows at the FOS and I've dropped it > as a > > first step. > > Sally > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 20/11/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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