Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 judges > can't just order people to do things without some legal basis. Do you know > of any specific cases? ==============A judge can make whatever order he or she might like to and rationalize/defend their action with case law or no law at all. In reference to the vaccine issue I don't have a specific case in mind but I do know for a fact, here in Ohio NO private school can withold matriculation from a child for vaccination non compliance ... AND there is NOTHING in the state code that would speak to their situation. Logic would say that they are a private institution and can set their own policy of what is safe inside their four walls, reality is that any non vaccinated kid who is worthy of acceptance to said school must be allowed to matriculate, the school has NO ability to set additional policy. You may be right from the perspective that such a school has legal grounds to fight the position they've been put in and possibly win, I'd agree, but this type of policy has been held up time and time and time again. As for judges making orders with no legal basis, that's is an incredibly naive thing to say. This is not in regard to vaccines, however I have a personal friend who spent 6 months in 6 different federal prisons and 4 of those months in solitary confinement WITHOUT A TRIAL OR SINGLE CONVICTION. Yes you read it right no trial, no conviction. I have verified his story and it is in fact true. You have no reason to believe such a story and I acknowledge how far fetched such a story appears. But I'd suggest taking a closer look at the things you consider absolutes. DMM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Irene, I'm getting ready to have a hospital birth here in CA next March. Do you know if I can refuse the Hep B vaccine for baby? Are there steps I can take beforehand to ensure it doesn't happen? Thanks, Daphne > > > Re: vaccine help > > > > > > > I agree that would " seem " to be true however it would also > > > seem that the legal code would be logical, fair and applied even > > > handedly and that doesn't happen either. I am certainly not a legal > > > expert, however I am familiar with the legalities of compulsory > > > exemptions and while I philosophically and politically disagree with > > > how the law is interpreted for private institutions such as private > > > schools, they cannot set their own policy. Each state code does > > > explicitly provide for the compulsory vaccine and its concommitant > > > exemption. One likely reason most private schools can't set their > > > own policy is that in this day and age they have likely taken money > > > from Uncle Sam or the state for something at some point and thus are > > > mandated as such. > > > >What I mean is that the schools, private or otherwise, can, in the > >absence of any laws prohibiting it, impose additional vaccination > >requirements above and beyond those specified by law. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 I don't think you have to do anything special except refuse it. If I remember correctly there are a bunch of papers you have to sign when you check in. If you don't see an authorization for the Hep B then absolutely ask about it. So far, as far as I know anyway, Hep B is not mandatory. It is not like the vitamin K thing that you have to have it or put up a fight. In fact what they do here is have you register at the hospital several weeks ahead just so they have all that done before you go into labor. I also highly recommend that you have someone go to the nursery with the baby just to make sure there are no mistakes. My husband did that when my son was born. He watched them wash the baby and take blood etc. Just incase.... Best of luck, Irene At 01:21 PM 8/28/03, you wrote: >Irene, I'm getting ready to have a hospital birth here in CA next >March. Do you know if I can refuse the Hep B vaccine for baby? Are >there steps I can take beforehand to ensure it doesn't happen? >Thanks, Daphne > > > > > > > > > Re: vaccine help > > > > > > > > > > I agree that would " seem " to be true however it would also > > > > seem that the legal code would be logical, fair and applied even > > > > handedly and that doesn't happen either. I am certainly not a legal > > > > expert, however I am familiar with the legalities of compulsory > > > > exemptions and while I philosophically and politically disagree with > > > > how the law is interpreted for private institutions such as private > > > > schools, they cannot set their own policy. Each state code does > > > > explicitly provide for the compulsory vaccine and its concommitant > > > > exemption. One likely reason most private schools can't set their > > > > own policy is that in this day and age they have likely taken money > > > > from Uncle Sam or the state for something at some point and thus are > > > > mandated as such. > > > > > >What I mean is that the schools, private or otherwise, can, in the > > >absence of any laws prohibiting it, impose additional vaccination > > >requirements above and beyond those specified by law. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 Hi, I've been away for the holiday weekend, but I want to jump in on this vaccine thing although perhaps it's been beaten to death? I was raised as a Christian Scientist, (although I no longer practice it), and I am constantly amazed at the misinformation regarding people's rights in regard to medical treatment. Nobody can force medical treatment on you. You have a right to get exemptions and refuse ANY kind of medical treatment for yourself or your children. Especially in both Massachusetts (where the Christian Science church is headquartered) and California (which has the higher population of C.S.'ers), they are perfectly aware of this because C.S.'ers demand exemptions all the time. I don't care what the officials claim, they know perfectly well (at least at the levels above the clerks) that the exemptions are there. In fact, if you are having trouble, you can call the main Christian Science church in Boston and ask their legal department what the law is in regard to medical/vaccine exemptions. They won't mind, and they will definitely know all about it. My sisters and brother and I all grew up, attended public school, university, and graduate school without ever being vaccinated. Ann > Irene, I'm getting ready to have a hospital birth here in CA next > March. Do you know if I can refuse the Hep B vaccine for baby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 Ann while I am inclined to agree with you on 9 of 10 cases I don't think Mr. Jensen would agree. http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08282003/utah/87530.asp > > Irene, I'm getting ready to have a hospital birth here in CA next > > March. Do you know if I can refuse the Hep B vaccine for baby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 > Ann while I am inclined to agree with you on 9 of 10 cases I don't > think Mr. Jensen would agree. > http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08282003/utah/87530.asp > > You're quite right. The pressure on parents has increased since I was a child. It's part of the perception that medical science has all the answers and those who refuse it are crazy or criminal. This is a situation where if there is a religious objection the church (at least the one I grew up in) would back the person up, but that is not a guarantee of freedom from prosecution. Our freedom of choice is constantly being eroded. That's why I suggested the church as a source -- they keep up on the current legal situation for all states. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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