Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 In a message dated 24/05/2006 10:44:05 GMT Daylight Time, peta3366@... writes: As of 27 September 2004, the UK routine childhood immunisation programme has >>We need to ask her if they recalled what was out there in GP surgeries Mandi x PS They have a UK publisher now, its going to paperback be nuce f would come do a book signing at TA Conference - I am on to it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 I have just read evidence of harm - wow what a book - I couldn't put it down. Those mum's who formed Safe minds are amazing. It really makes me want to do something to get this out into the media so every knows about it. i got this e-mail from the freedom of info act - what does anyone think. Dear Mr , Thank you for your e-mail of 2006 requesting information about the presence of thiomersal in childhood vaccines under the Freedom of Information act. It has long been known that mercury when given in sufficient quantities poses a potential risk of neurodevelopmental toxicity in young children. For this reason guidelines have been drawn up to limit cumulative exposure to methylmercury. Thiomersal contains ethylmercury (a related organic mercury compound) and has played an important role (in very small doses) as a preservative in the production of some non-live vaccines for over 60 years through its action in killing or preventing the growth of micro-organisms. Ethylmercury is rapidly excreted after parenteral administration such that blood levels achieved are much lower compared with methylmercury. The safety of thiomersal in vaccines is kept under continual review by the MHRA/Commission on Human Medicines (CHM). In 2001, the CSM (now the Commission for Human Medicines) conducted a major review of the available evidence for a possible association with neurodevelopmental disorders and has since then considered new data on a number of occasions as it has emerged. The CHM's current advice is that there is no evidence of harm from the very small quantities of thiomersal contained in some vaccines, with the exception of possible allergic reactions (typically skin rashes or local swelling at the site of injection). This view concurs with that of the World Health Organisation, the United States Institute of Medicine and the European Medicines Agency (EMEA). The balance of benefits and risks of thiomersal-containing vaccines remains overwhelmingly positive. In response to your question, thiomersal has never been banned from UK childhood vaccines. Due to public concern about the health effects of mercury exposure of any sort and a global goal desire to minimise environmental exposure to mercury compounds, the elimination of mercury from vaccines was judged to be a feasible means of reducing an infant's total exposure to mercury given that other environmental sources of exposure are more difficult or impossible to eliminate. Both European and American regulatory authorities have therefore recommended that vaccine manufacturers phase out its use wherever possible and manufacturers worldwide have initiated research programmes to eliminate, substitute or reduce thiomersal in vaccines. In the UK, the then Committee on Safety of Medicines (CSM) endorsed this recommendation. In the UK the MMR, meningitis C conjugate, Hib, oral polio and BCG vaccines have never contained thiomersal and, until recently, the diphtheria, tetanus and wholecell pertussis (DTwP) vaccine contained thiomersal in very small quantities. However, on 27 September 2004 a new combined diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis, inactivated polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Pediacel) vaccine and new booster vaccines (Repevax and Revaxis) replaced the wholecell alternative in the childhood immunisation schedule. This change was made for two reasons: firstly, because the low risk of importation of polio in the UK provided the opportunity to move from the use of a live polio vaccine to an inactivated polio vaccine, thus eliminating the risk of developing vaccine-associated paralytic polio, a very rare side effect of the oral live vaccine; and secondly, an acellular pertussis vaccine that was as effective as the previous whole-cell pertussis vaccine and had the added advantage of being less reactogenic in children became available in the UK. Being thiomersal-free, these vaccines also met the aim of reducing the unnecessary exposure of children to mercury. As of 27 September 2004, the UK routine childhood immunisation programme has not therefore included any thiomersal-containing vaccines. If you would like any further information please do not hesitate to write to the MHRA again. Yours sincerely Dr Jane Woolley MHRA Peta x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 In a message dated 27/06/2006 10:54:47 GMT Daylight Time, peta3366@... writes: Hi it seems to me that the main contents of this book detailing all the cover ups should be all over the news. >>>It was in the USA - "its an American problem" - yeah right!! Does anyone know if the publicists are getting this story out? >>>He does have a UK publisher now but didn;t seem to know anything about it when I talked to him at Autism One. BE nice if we could link up a good press run at same time as the Autism is Treatable conference. I will investigate but my in-pile is up to the ceiling already.............. Has the government ever been properly challenged as to why thimerosal was abrubtly taken out of vaccines? >>>The Geiers always say in their presentatiosn that it was withdrawn in the UK because of the possibility that the Hg could be linked to Autism. But why wasn;t it all over the papers, I don't remember this - Mark Geier usually quotes the BBC. Mark Land had some files saved somewhere, can;t remember if this was one of them. I want to knwo if they ever recalled all that was on the shelves. The way it works int he UK as the Government purchases vaccines, they get distributed to regions who keep central stroes and GP surgeries ring up when they need more stock and it gets couriered out to the surgery. I cannot beleive they did this. In which case kids could conceivably still be getting Hg vaccine shere I want to contact all the main newspapers but I know I will be regarded as a crank. Any ideas? Am going through my mad as hell phase!! >>>Get all your mates and anybody who knows you to sign the on-line petition and print off soem sheets of the paper one and go marchign around educating the public - works for me LOL Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 No ideas, but wondered if he is being considered for TA conference? who are the confirmed speakers at the moment? Natasa > > Hi it seems to me that the main contents of this book detailing all > the cover ups should be all over the news. Does anyone know if the > publicists are getting this story out? Has the government ever been > properly challenged as to why thimerosal was abrubtly taken out of > vaccines? I want to contact all the main newspapers but I know I will > be regarded as a crank. Any ideas? Am going through my mad as hell > phase!! > Peta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Thanks Mandi I already bore the pants off anyone who will listen and quite alot who don't want to. I made my brother read the book - he was always a bit skeptical about mercury poisoning - and he is mad as hell. He ranted about it to his girlfriend until 1.30am last sat night! Anyway we are going to compile an e-mail and send it to health correspondents of newspapers starting with the Daily Mail - nothing ventured nothing gained! Peta- -- In Autism Treatment , Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 27/06/2006 10:54:47 GMT Daylight Time, > peta3366@... writes: > > Hi it seems to me that the main contents of this book detailing all > the cover ups should be all over the news. > > >>>It was in the USA - " its an American problem " - yeah right!! > > > Does anyone know if the > publicists are getting this story out? > > >>>He does have a UK publisher now but didn;t seem to know anything about it > when I talked to him at Autism One. BE nice if we could link up a good press > run at same time as the Autism is Treatable conference. I will investigate > but my in-pile is up to the ceiling already.............. > > Has the government ever been > properly challenged as to why thimerosal was abrubtly taken out of > vaccines? > > >>>The Geiers always say in their presentatiosn that it was withdrawn in the > UK because of the possibility that the Hg could be linked to Autism. But why > wasn;t it all over the papers, I don't remember this - Mark Geier usually > quotes the BBC. Mark Land had some files saved somewhere, can;t remember if > this was one of them. > > I want to knwo if they ever recalled all that was on the shelves. The way it > works int he UK as the Government purchases vaccines, they get distributed > to regions who keep central stroes and GP surgeries ring up when they need > more stock and it gets couriered out to the surgery. I cannot beleive they did > this. In which case kids could conceivably still be getting Hg vaccine shere > > > I want to contact all the main newspapers but I know I will > be regarded as a crank. Any ideas? Am going through my mad as hell > phase!! > > > >>>Get all your mates and anybody who knows you to sign the on- line petition > and print off soem sheets of the paper one and go marchign around educating > the public - works for me LOL > > Mandi x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 > " Has the government ever been > properly challenged as to why thimerosal was abrubtly taken out of > vaccines? " > Peta > Hi Peta, Last year I phoned the DOH to ask about any thimerasol currently in vaccines, and the immediate response was along the lines of 'There has never been thiermasol in the MMR, and it is no longer in the other vaccines, it was removed, not because there was any evidence that it was harmful, just to conform with a WHO directive to reduce exposure to mercury.' I can't remember verbatim, and cannot remember if it was all vaccines or just current childhood ones that she was talking about, because I was so overwhelmed by the immediate almost ansaphone like response that I got, and that she mentioned MMR immediately when I had not mentioned it. I just commented that I found it strange she had mentioned MMR specifically, and that it seemed a strange thing for WHO to aim for if it was harmless. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 My parents wrote to the head of the department of health (or something – sorry not good with titles) for Wales and got a completely different response as to why mercury was taken out. They said something like ‘the public are concerned about mercury but we have no concerns whatsoever – we removed mercury to stop public panic.’ Sara Re: Evidence of Harm > " Has the government ever been > properly challenged as to why thimerosal was abrubtly taken out of > vaccines? " > Peta > Hi Peta, Last year I phoned the DOH to ask about any thimerasol currently in vaccines, and the immediate response was along the lines of 'There has never been thiermasol in the MMR, and it is no longer in the other vaccines, it was removed, not because there was any evidence that it was harmful, just to conform with a WHO directive to reduce exposure to mercury.' I can't remember verbatim, and cannot remember if it was all vaccines or just current childhood ones that she was talking about, because I was so overwhelmed by the immediate almost ansaphone like response that I got, and that she mentioned MMR immediately when I had not mentioned it. I just commented that I found it strange she had mentioned MMR specifically, and that it seemed a strange thing for WHO to aim for if it was harmless. Sue -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 26/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 26/06/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 In a message dated 28/06/2006 21:49:43 GMT Daylight Time, neno@... writes: Sounds great. Have you tried getting Megson? >>>Yes but we can't afford her this time out which is a damn shame - she is awesome speaker, one of my favourites Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 In a message dated 28/06/2006 21:49:43 GMT Daylight Time, neno@... writes: Sounds great. Have you tried getting Megson? >>>Yes but we can't afford her this time out which is a damn shame - she is awesome speaker, one of my favourites Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Sounds great. Have you tried getting Megson? Natasa > > > In a message dated 27/06/2006 11:15:02 GMT Daylight Time, > neno@... writes: > > No ideas, but wondered if he is being considered for TA conference? who > are the confirmed speakers at the moment? > > > > >>>He has been invited as a guest but not as a speaker (££££££). > Lathe has accepted our invitation, waiting on confirmation from Chantal > Sicile-Kira - her UK version of new book will be out by Feb and hope to have Marti > Leimbach too > > Confirmed SPEAKERS to date; Anju Usman, Devin Houston, Andy Wakefield, > Philip , Muscroft, Jo Burke, Tina Wood, expected to confirm shortly > Heard, Boyd Haley, , Arthur Krigsman, fingers crossed for > Martha Herbert. > > Shattock as after dinner speaker on party night (be there or be > square!) - beware of rude jokes > > See conference site (under construction) from link on the welcome page > _www.TreatingAutism.com_ (http://www.TreatingAutism.com) > > Mandi x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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