Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 , I would appreciate any literature that you could recommend. Thank you, Rose _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Aloha dear , You are quite correct. You explain it very nicely. It's great to see that you have come to your conclusions through reasoning. All my Love!!! > >Most of the 'vegetarians' I've ever talked to still maintained a poor diet >(cooked food, sugar, yada yada), and the ones I've talked to who tried >really hard to stick to 100% raw & organic still didn't concentrate on the >high quality light-weight proteins and fats that you need on this kind of >diet. These can be had from the green superfoods (wheat/barley-grass >juices, spirulina, chlorella) and deep, green leafy vegetables, and from >organic olives, avacados, flax seed/oil and hemp seed oil (among others) >respectively. > >The main reason these are so necessary for people who are CHANGING their >lifestyle from the s.a.d, is their body will, over a relatively short >period >of time, completely break down ALL of it's muscle/tissue that was built on >GARBAGE to replace it with quality tissue. This is a natural part of the >cleansing process. If you are not taking in a very large (larger than what >is necessary for 'maintenance') quantity of high-quality light-weight >proteins and fats, it will take you much longer to rebuild your body, hence >the 'emaciated' look and low-energy. However, if you DO get a high >concentration of the light-weight proteins and fats, you will, for the most >part, look and feel fine throughout the process. > >Something else most people don't seem to take into consideration when >evaluating different people's reactions/results to different situations is >the 'generational' factor involved in health. We are now in the 3rd and >4th >generations of people who have slowly switched from a fairly natural, >albeit >still mostly 'cooked', diet, to one that is very unnatural. Some people >are >in the 4th generation of junk food junkies, some are only in the 1st or >2nd. >This is why there is so much disparity in people with respect to reactions >to a change in lifestyle. Of course, there are always those who just defy >all logic and reason. > > > > > Vegetarians .... > > > > This discussion made me think of two people I've know who were > > vegetarians. The first is a raw foodist and has not been well > > for the time I've known her, which seems to go along with what > > so many on this list are saying. > > > > However, another story comes to mind. For some years I worked > > with elderly people trying to stay in their homes. The average > > person I worked with was in their late 70's to 80's, fairly > > deteriorated, on the standard American diet. > > > > But I did have the opportunity to work with one 94-year-old > > who only needed help because she had broken her hip...otherwise > > she was " fit as a fiddle " . She had grown up on a typical farm, > > but had decided at the age of four not to eat meat...and she > > never did again. Her diet was quite different than the other > > people I worked with because she ate whole foods, but she didn't > > sprout or do anything like that. > > > > That's 90 years of a vegetarian diet. And who knows how much > > longer she lived? Not bad I'd say. > > > > ~^^V^^~ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 I suppose we all have different genetic make ups, some people just have healthier immune systems than others, have been thru less trauma, exposed to less chemicals, came from more loving homes, practice healthier liefestyles, etc.....yes? Marcus wrote: > Most of the 'vegetarians' I've ever talked to still maintained a poor diet > (cooked food, sugar, yada yada), and the ones I've talked to who tried > really hard to stick to 100% raw & organic still didn't concentrate on the > high quality light-weight proteins and fats that you need on this kind of > diet. These can be had from the green superfoods (wheat/barley-grass > juices, spirulina, chlorella) and deep, green leafy vegetables, and from > organic olives, avacados, flax seed/oil and hemp seed oil (among others) > respectively. > > The main reason these are so necessary for people who are CHANGING their > lifestyle from the s.a.d, is their body will, over a relatively short period > of time, completely break down ALL of it's muscle/tissue that was built on > GARBAGE to replace it with quality tissue. This is a natural part of the > cleansing process. If you are not taking in a very large (larger than what > is necessary for 'maintenance') quantity of high-quality light-weight > proteins and fats, it will take you much longer to rebuild your body, hence > the 'emaciated' look and low-energy. However, if you DO get a high > concentration of the light-weight proteins and fats, you will, for the most > part, look and feel fine throughout the process. > > Something else most people don't seem to take into consideration when > evaluating different people's reactions/results to different situations is > the 'generational' factor involved in health. We are now in the 3rd and 4th > generations of people who have slowly switched from a fairly natural, albeit > still mostly 'cooked', diet, to one that is very unnatural. Some people are > in the 4th generation of junk food junkies, some are only in the 1st or 2nd. > This is why there is so much disparity in people with respect to reactions > to a change in lifestyle. Of course, there are always those who just defy > all logic and reason. > > > > > Vegetarians .... > > > > This discussion made me think of two people I've know who were > > vegetarians. The first is a raw foodist and has not been well > > for the time I've known her, which seems to go along with what > > so many on this list are saying. > > > > However, another story comes to mind. For some years I worked > > with elderly people trying to stay in their homes. The average > > person I worked with was in their late 70's to 80's, fairly > > deteriorated, on the standard American diet. > > > > But I did have the opportunity to work with one 94-year-old > > who only needed help because she had broken her hip...otherwise > > she was " fit as a fiddle " . She had grown up on a typical farm, > > but had decided at the age of four not to eat meat...and she > > never did again. Her diet was quite different than the other > > people I worked with because she ate whole foods, but she didn't > > sprout or do anything like that. > > > > That's 90 years of a vegetarian diet. And who knows how much > > longer she lived? Not bad I'd say. > > > > ~^^V^^~ > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 why can't we all just agree that meat-eating is better and just get on with our lives. we can have a barbecue and sing kumbayah. i'll be on sidelines charting the salivary flow of the vegetarian contingent as the tasty smell of barbecued meat wafts through the air. (natural coal of coarse). the healthiest vegetarian i know is a healer. he recovered from chronic fatigue while being vegetarian- so he claims. he sneaks visits to alex the kinesiologist on the sly because he has recurrent yeast problems. supposedly these would clear up if he would eat some animal protein. also he has strange pink eyelids which i heard was a b12 deficiency-- another typical vegetarian downfall. also he is still majorly on coffee. then again there is this guy that i know who is the triple triathalon world record holder. that's three -- THREE iron man contests in a row . 3 marathons of running--78 miles, etc... he eats lots of junk food. sugar, cake , ice cream, whatever. go figure. oh btw, peter d'adamo, the poster child for blood type diets is not the healthiest of human specimens. But he is a super nice fellow, and would be alot fo fun to go out and have a beer with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 It definitely works for some people. But for others it is a slow track to devastation. Donna Vegetarians .... This discussion made me think of two people I've know who were vegetarians. The first is a raw foodist and has not been well for the time I've known her, which seems to go along with what so many on this list are saying. However, another story comes to mind. For some years I worked with elderly people trying to stay in their homes. The average person I worked with was in their late 70's to 80's, fairly deteriorated, on the standard American diet. But I did have the opportunity to work with one 94-year-old who only needed help because she had broken her hip...otherwise she was " fit as a fiddle " . She had grown up on a typical farm, but had decided at the age of four not to eat meat...and she never did again. Her diet was quite different than the other people I worked with because she ate whole foods, but she didn't sprout or do anything like that. That's 90 years of a vegetarian diet. And who knows how much longer she lived? Not bad I'd say. ~^^V^^~ OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Dear , All my love? Sounds more like all my condemnation. Smile. If you feel a little twinge in the hind quarters, it is me pinching your butt. I was a hard core vegetarian, from the San Francisco bay area in the seventies and there were vegetarian restaurants readily available and co-ops everywhere, and wonderful produce and whole grain bakeries and many people I knew were vegetarians and we were serious about it. No sugar, no white flour, etc. Major food combining, sprouting blah, blah, blah, Then I entered the eighties and did barley and chlorella and juicing etc. And then I almost died and now I eat meat. I am not saying that vegetarianism led to my illness. I think the illness was/is enviromental or viral or both. But when it hit, meat protein was a life saver and still is. I know you are sincere and not normally rude, but you sounded very unkind and condemning in your post. Please send me more love, I liked it better. Smile. xoxo Donna Re: Vegetarians .... Dear Friends, For the record, I have been eating raw fruits and nuts for 6+ months and was a vegetarian for almost 2 years before that. My health is fantastic. I feel a majority of the unsuccessful so-called " vegetarians " on this list are missing the agenda when it comes to actual " nutrition " for the human body. You seem to be so pre-occupied with all your food paradigms and propaganda that you fail to see what truly nourishes the body. You stop eating meat, (yet continue to attack yourself in other ways), and expect to the pinnacle of health. You give up so easily and justify/rationalize yourself by blaming it on the " food " and what it doesn't or does lack. It's all very simple, yet we make it so complex and strenuous for ourselves. Maybe we enjoy the drama. Maybe we like to continue to lie to ourselves even though we know the truth the whole entire time. We are our own best con-artists. If anyone is interested in some " alternative " ideas concerning nutrition let me know and I would be happy to recommend some literature that I know will most certainly alter your perception about " food " and what you put into your Temple of the only Living God. You all know better. The lions, tigers and bears don't. Look inside and see what you have been doing to your body. What is your attitude towards your health? Why are you not in a state of perpetual bliss? What is keeping you from that Life? You know the answer...don't you? You teach me and I teach you. That's how it goes isn't it? energytoawaken@... > >This discussion made me think of two people I've know who were vegetarians. >The first is a raw foodist and has not been well for the time I've known >her, which seems to go along with what so many on this list are saying. > >However, another story comes to mind. For some years I worked with elderly >people trying to stay in their homes. The average person I worked with was >in their late 70's to 80's, fairly deteriorated, on the standard American >diet. > >But I did have the opportunity to work with one 94-year-old who only needed >help because she had broken her hip...otherwise she was " fit as a fiddle " . >She had grown up on a typical farm, but had decided at the age of four not >to eat meat...and she never did again. Her diet was quite different than >the other people I worked with because she ate whole foods, but she didn't >sprout or do anything like that. > >That's 90 years of a vegetarian diet. And who knows how much longer she >lived? Not bad I'd say. > >~^^V^^~ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 , I don't think so, no. I have been a health food groupie for 45 years and I can't say I remember more than a single handful of vegetarians (of any kind) who seemed robustly healthy! Maybe people who write books or something, but ordinary people? No! BTW, what's the weather like in Monnnntana? I've always wanted to move to Montana. jim Blair wrote: > > I suppose we all have different genetic make ups, some people just have healthier immune systems than others, have been thru less trauma, exposed to less chemicals, came from more loving homes, practice healthier liefestyles, etc.....yes? ----- carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 luckower@... wrote: > > why can't we all just agree that meat-eating is better and just get on with > our lives. Because meat eating is better for many, but not all of us. There are folks who do very well as vegetarians, most likely a minority in the Western hemisphere, but they do exist. is obviously one of them. As in matters of religion, proselytizing doesn't work here. We're a well educated group when it comes to our own health and open to learn more, but most of us have found out (frequently the hard way) what kind of diet best suits our own bodies. To all-----viva la difference! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Dear Sharon...I could kiss you. > >luckower@... wrote: > > > > why can't we all just agree that meat-eating is better and just get on >with > > our lives. > >Because meat eating is better for many, but not all of us. There are >folks who do very well as vegetarians, most likely a minority in the >Western hemisphere, but they do exist. is obviously one of them. > >As in matters of religion, proselytizing doesn't work here. We're a well >educated group when it comes to our own health and open to learn more, >but most of us have found out (frequently the hard way) what kind of >diet best suits our own bodies. > >To all-----viva la difference! > >Sharon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Brandauer wrote: > > Dear Sharon...I could kiss you. Could we get to know each other first?<G> Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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