Guest guest Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 I am not a vegetarian. But I am in the process of limiting meat consumption and dairy. I will however continue to eat fish. I will also be eating as lot of vegetables and some raw fruit. Plenty of fiber and complex carbs. I am not saying that I will never enjoy a little yogart here and there, but it will be a snack. This is the healthiest choice, in my opinion. I have nothing against eating meat. And I absolutely love dairy. But to suggest that a diet that is high in animal fat is the healthiest, or that most studies prove this, is just not true. But here is a study that you may enjoy showing that a high protein (including meat)/low glycemic index diet is best for weight loss. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101124171536.htm<http://www.google.\ com/url?sa=D & q=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101124171536.htm & usg\ =AFQjCNEkjIfCEBDvnCvvv_JybLlbVC1VDw> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote: > > > What I find interesting is that in the health groups vegetarians are > seen to need to defend vegatarianism and put down the food protocol of > eating meat, dairy etc. But I have never seen meat eaters put down the > vegetarian food protocol. Plus whenever the discussion comes up of eating > meat versus vegetarian, it always seems to have been started by a vegetarian > regardless what group it is in. > > Maybe it is because there is so few studies out there proving that a > vegetarian lifestyle & eating protocol is healthier, but so many studies > proving that eating fats & meats is healthiest that is why when vegetarians > 'rant' they do not seem to be able to give proof of their allegations -- it > is all just 'take my word for it' stuff..... > > That article about Vegetarian eating protocol has 137 references supporting > each of the claims made. > > The Myths of Vegetarianism > by Byrnes, PhD, RNCP > http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html > > Originally published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, July > 2000. Revised January 2002. This paper is posted at: > http://www.powerhealth.net/selected_articles.htm. > > I remember the first time I saw a vegetarian do that - she went through > that article above and said each point was not true however when asked to > provide support for her perception could not offer even one study. Not even > one.............it was sad. > > blessings > Shan > > > > > > > I read WAP's only book on his travels around the world examining > different > > hunter-gatherer tribal societies' dietary habits and its effect on their > > general overall health. What he found was that he never found any that > were > > vegan (absolute vegetarian). In general, the more vegetarian oriented the > > > tribe, the less " vital " they were, and were usually dominated by > omnivorous > > (plenty of animal products) tribes. > > > > Of course, modern techniques of food growing, processing and nutritional > > supplements (like B12) may make veganism doeable on a much larger scale. > If > > it works for you, more power to you! > > > > As an anecdotal aside, a doctor named Jerry Tennant > > (http://www.tennantinstitute.com/) has claimed to have developed a > device > > that measures bodily voltage, and how a certain voltage level is > necessary > > for optimal health. In his book he says that, of the hundreds (maybe > > thousands?) of patients that he has measured, he has never seen a vegan > that > > had optimal voltage levels, for what its worth. > > > > > > Who exactly is the Weston A. Price Foundation, > > anyway? > > > > > > > > > http://www.care2.com/causes/health-policy/blog/who-is-the-weston-a-price-foundat\ ion/ > > > > A few months ago, someone sent me an article from the Weston A. Price > > Foundation (WAPF) about soy and its hidden dark side. I had never heard > of > > the foundation, but was perturbed--to say the least--to see that they > seemed > > to demonize soy and hail the glories of meat and dairy products. > > > > I felt like this foundation was attempting to write off everything I > > believed: that plant sources were generally healthy, that you could live > a > > healthy life as a vegetarian, and that meat and dairy could lead to > obesity, > > heart disease, and other health problems. > > > > On the defense, I immediately started researching this foundation. Some > of > > the claims about soy seemed ludicrous to me. Other claims were just plain > > > peculiar. > > > > What I found out about the WAPF was disturbing. It was upsetting to me > > that people look to this foundation as the final word on soy, and on > health > > overall. It was disturbing that people put their faith--when it comes to > > diet and nutrition--in the hands of WAPF. I wouldn't find it unbelievable > > > for people to read articles on the WAPF website and feel intrigued by the > > > claims they make, or even feel concerned about their diets. But I felt > that > > people were using these articles to shape their entire diet. People were > > seeing this foundation as a health authority, using its articles and > > philosophies to not only build their diet foundations, but to tear down > > other people's diets--like my own. > > > > This was annoying. Aside from actually living a lifestyle that was > > contradictory to what the WAPF was preaching (and experiencing it as > joyful, > > healthy, and overall one of the best decisions I've ever made), there is > > countless evidence out there supporting my diet. I have read numerous > books > > and articles, seen news stories, and heard radio interviews that agree > and > > support my beliefs. These were articles and interviews from sources I > find > > generally credible -- doctors, medical researchers, and people deemed > > " health experts " (which may not be the most official of titles, but it > has > > to carry some weight right?). > > > > So naturally, as someone who is proactive about their health and who can > > become defensive when others claim my diet is unhealthy, I wanted to find > > > out who was behind WAPF. This is what I found: > > > > The Weston A. Price Foundation is based on the research of Weston A. > > Price, a dentist and nutritionist who studied teeth and bone structure in > > > indigenous peoples. He saw that people who stuck to eating their native > > foods had much healthier teeth--and seemed to be healthier overall--than > > people who started consuming more processed foods. He believed the health > of > > one's teeth reflected the health of one's body and people should avoid > > eating processed foods. > > > > I thought, " I can get on board with that. " > > > > The Weston A. Price foundation was started to follow and implement > Price's > > studies. And some of the group's values have merit. They support organic, > > > local produce and denounce factory farming, genetically modified foods, > and > > the sugar-laden, empty-caloried, typical American diet. Sounds good, > right? > > But as I kept reading, I found other WAPF principles...well, a little > less > > convincing. > > > > They seem to believe we should re-examine the typical American diet, then > > > add more cholesterol and saturated fat. Many physicians and health > experts > > have weighed in on this theory, and others, of the Weston A. Price > > Foundation. Robbins, author of The Food Revolution, says " as someone > > > who has great respect for the work of Weston A. Price, I am sorry to say > > that to my eyes, the foundation that carries Price's name today is > > unfortunately exaggerating what was unbalanced in his work, and > abandoning > > much of what was good. " > > > > Dr. Fuhrman, author of Eat to Live: The Revolutionary Plan for Fast > > and Sustained Weight Loss, says the WAPF's claim that people with high > > cholesterol 'live the longest,' and high cholesterol 'poses no greater > risk > > for heart disease' goes against " every respected scientific authority in > the > > world and is utterly ridiculous in light of thousands of respectable > > studies. " > > > > The WAPF also advocate feeding raw cow's milk to infants, contradicting > > the U.S. Center for Disease Control, the U.S. Food and Drug > Administration, > > the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, and the American > Academy > > of Pediatrics. > > > > One of their other core beliefs is that vegetarian and vegan diets are > > detrimental to human health, when extensive research has shown otherwise. > > > There are also living contradictions to these beliefs, like Joe Rollino, > the > > world's strongest man. Rollino, who just passed away in January at the > age > > of 104, was a devout vegetarian. And even at age 104, Rollino didn't die > of > > heart disease or cancer--he was hit by a car. He was, pound for pound, > > hailed as the World's Strongest Man, and once reportedly lifted 475 > > pounds--with his teeth! Weston A. Price, himself, would surely have been > > shocked at the dental strength of this meat-shunning phenomenon. Who > knows > > how much longer Rollino could have lived, helping to disprove the Weston > A. > > Price Foundation's theory on vegetarianism. > > > > The WAPF also shun soy and blame it for a host of health problems, > > including breast cancer. Meanwhile, respected medical authorites like the > > > Mayo Clinic say soy can actually help to lower one's risk of breast (and > > prostate) cancer. And the WAPF's campaign against soy is further evidence > > > they have strayed from their muse's original findings, since Price never > > mentioned anything about soy, tofu, or soymilk in the original > documentation > > of his findings. He does mention lentils and other legumes, but in a > > positive light. The WAPF has taken it upon themselves to criticize soy, > > calling it " more insidious than hemlock. " > > > > WAPF denounce the benefits of soy estrogens (isoflavones). But the > > estrogens in soy, phytoestrogens ( " phyto " meaning " plant " ), have been > found > > to keep our (animal) estrogen levels under control and, as stated in the > > Care2 article Milk: Does it Really Do a Body Good?, " the Journal of > Clinical > > Endocrinology and Metabolism says that phytoestrogens can have health > > benefits related to cancer, osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease, and > > menopausal symptoms. " > > > > For more on the scary rumors about soy, and the health concerns of cow's > > milk, you can read this Care2 article. > > > > According to their website, the WAPF " has no ties with the meat or dairy > > industry, nor with any organization promoting these industries. " However, > > > they list Green Pasture, Vital Choice, and U.S. Wellness Meats, (all > > peddlers of meat and dairy products) as sponsors of their 2009 > conference. > > New Trends Publishing is also a sponsor, a company who happens to sell > > several books and DVDs by Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. > > > Price Foundation. They even admit many of their members (a.k.a. sponsors) > > > are farmers. > > > > The Weston A. Price Foundation does have some meritable principles. They > > also have some very questionable theories. I think, generally, it is a > good > > idea to consider opposing opinions, and to look into the credibility of > > those opinions and their sources. After looking into the WAPF, I'll be > > sticking to my vegetarian diet, complete with tofu and tempeh dinners > > (against the WAPF's beliefs). I'll also make sure my diet is rich in > whole, > > unprocessed foods (agreeing with the WAPF's beliefs). > > > > To summarize my own feelings on the foundation, and the credibility and > > faith that I have in their anti-vegetarian principles, I'll refer back to > > > Robbins. He wrote this in response to " The Myths of Vegetarianism, " > an > > article by Byrnes, one of the Weston A. Price Foundation's Board > of > > Directors: > > > > " The article is harshly critical of vegetarian diets, and concludes with > > an About the Author section which states, ' Byrnes. enjoys robust > > health on a diet that includes butter, cream, eggs, meat, whole milk, > dairy > > products and offal.' In fact, Byrnes suffered a fatal stroke in > > June, 2004. According to reports of his death, he had yet to reach his > 40th > > birthday. " > > > > You can read my article responding to the WAPF's searing accusations > about > > agave nectar over on our Healthy & Green Living Channel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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