Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Anya, Ayala, all After the discourse about Linden Blossom abs..... sorry, caught me at a vulnerable moment there.... too many hats at present...... okay ............................... Phone calls and emails to US and some .... later...... the Linden absolute I have is which I already knew..... is French Linden Blossom.....Tilia Europeoea description:- ' an etheric almost cucumber-like floral note with sweet honey melon nuances' the one you describe is Tilia Vulgaris description 'warm floral honey like with a slight citrus note '..... There are many types........ Tilia Europaea, the french linden big leaf linden Tilia platyphyllos, Tilia vulgaris, Tilia argentia, Persian lime blossom, etc......... I took the time to email some people.... the general consensus:............................ There is no authentic Linden Blossom Abs being produced today. 'So say one fairly prominent essential oil chemist who asked for a specimen from a company and called back saying it was a stunning specimen BUT 2 other essential oil chemists have recently said publicly on some mailing lists that there is NO authentic Linden Blossom Absolute being produced today.' so in summarisation...... it is said (incorrectly or correctly) there is no real linden blossom absolute.... I note there are many species available..... thus differentation in odour...... it is an oil I shall enjoy delving into the mystery surrounding this ............ Janita haan ascent established 1998 www.hayspace.co.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 janita morris <heartinmymouth@...> wrote: 'So say one fairly prominent essential oil chemist who asked for a specimen from a company and called back saying it was a stunning specimen BUT 2 other essential oil chemists have recently said publicly on some mailing lists that there is NO authentic Linden Blossom Absolute being produced today.' Hi Janita, I have heard exactly this and have been wondering if it is true. I am very hesitant to believe that any linden blossom absolute is completely authentic. --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Glazer <juliaglazermail@...> wrote: janita morris wrote: 'So say one fairly prominent essential oil chemist who asked for a specimen from a company and called back saying it was a stunning specimen BUT 2 other essential oil chemists have recently said publicly on some mailing lists that there is NO authentic Linden Blossom Absolute being produced today.' Hi Janita, I have heard exactly this and have been wondering if it is true. I am very hesitant to believe that any linden blossom absolute is completely authentic. Hi I can't say either way.............but it does show that there are different varieties of linden with different odours out there..................thus the confusion ............. janita --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 At 03:06 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: >Dear Anya, Ayala, all > > After the discourse about Linden Blossom abs..... sorry, caught > me at a vulnerable moment there.... too many hats at present...... > > okay ............................... > > Phone calls and emails to US and some .... later...... > > the Linden absolute I have is which I already knew..... is > > French Linden Blossom.....Tilia Europeoea > > description:- ' an etheric almost cucumber-like floral note with > sweet honey melon nuances' > > the one you describe is Tilia Vulgaris > > description 'warm floral honey like with a slight citrus note '..... Janita, I'm sorry, somebody is blowing synthetic smoke up your butt, as we say over here ;-) T. europea and T. vulgaris are synonyms. http://www.plantpress.com/plant-encyclopedia/plantdb.php?plant=799 > > There are many types........ Tilia Europaea, the french linden > big leaf linden Tilia platyphyllos, Tilia vulgaris, Tilia argentia, > Persian lime blossom, etc......... > > I took the time to email some people.... > > the general consensus:............................ > > There is no authentic Linden Blossom Abs being produced today. They're lying. There are two suppliers that have basically fallen off the radar of major perfumery and AT lists because of their selling fake Tilea oil. It had a cucumbery, fresh, floral scent. You quote the website of one of them below, and both are still selling it. Shame on them for not correcting this. Everyone I know has stopped buying anything from them. > > 'So say one fairly prominent essential oil chemist who asked for > a specimen from a company and called back saying it was a stunning > specimen BUT 2 other essential oil chemists have recently said > publicly on some mailing lists that there is NO authentic Linden > Blossom Absolute being produced today.' > > so in summarisation...... snipped quote from bunk seller that someone forwarded to me after they saw your quote -- they've been burned by her, and were aware of this spiel, below where you left the last part off your quote, when she admits what she's selling may be bunk: QUALITY WARNING: This is a lovely Linden Blossom Absolute. One fairly prominent essential oil chemist asked me for a sample because he had heard we had a nice one, and he's researching Linden. He called me back saying it was a stunning specimen. BUT-- at least two other essential oil chemists have recently said publicly, on some mailing lists that I participate in, that there is NO authentic Linden Blossom Absolute being produced today. So...I don't know. I am attempting to trace down the truth about this lovely absolute, but so far have not been able to. The bottom line is, I do NOT know whether this Linden Blossom is what it is supposed to be. I can not offer our standard guarantee of purity for it. Yet I don't want to take it out of our catalogue because so many of our clients love it. So I'm just posting this caveat to let you know it may or may not be authentic. She and the other supplier dropped off into the Black Hole of the Internet. Practically never heard from. Both used to have good reps, until more sophisticated customers (me, one of them) challenged their fake products. I'm sure they're still doing well, they had a big client base and if those folks weren't privvy to the fake oils talk that exposed them, they still think they're buying Tilia absolute. No way, it's fake. > There is no authentic Linden Blossom Abs being produced today. Baloney! What's their rationale here? Some unnamed " chemist " covering their reps? Feh. There are lots of Tilia in the ag/production industry. They're used for perfumery, also for herbalism, homeopathy, etc. There is a huge industry in place to harvest the flowers and leaves, so it only makes sense there are flowers available for the perfume industry, it's not like they're rare, there's no other demand for them, etc. They're there, they're being made into absolute. About 20 years ago, I bought a pound of Tilia flowers from a friend who ran a French shop in Tampa. The scent of these dried fluffy beauties was similar to the Tilia absolute I buy now. Just not similar to the stuff sold by the two most suspect suppliers, lol. I'd ask for my money back, Janita. No tilea smells like cucumber, fresh, or floral. I wonder how long until their synth stock is told out? I feel so sorry for those who buy from them. Boy, do I have a Jasmine sambac story about one of them! Aromatherapy and perfumery, along with the herb and spice industry have a centuries-old rep for fraud and adulteration. I've gone on a bit in this email, been a bit harsh, I know, but I hate to see this bunk cropping up again and again. We're all here to look out for each other and share experiences and expertise. Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 At 07:01 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: > > There is a huge industry in place to harvest the flowers and > > leaves, so it only makes sense there are flowers available for the > > perfume industry, it's not like they're rare, there's no other demand > > for them, etc. They're there, they're being made into absolute. > > > >Anya, >You have probably seen this but here is a good link to the White Lotus >newsletter with info on linden. >http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/newsletters/kewra2.html >This will help clarify about the pourable absolute. Scroll down past >the coriander info. Here's the bit: >Linden Blossom is indeed available as a pure absolute but it is more >like a very thick paste which is not at all pourable at room temperature. My stuff is thick, not pourable. The synth stuff that the two I was speaking about is pourable. Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 At 07:01 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: > > There is a huge industry in place to harvest the flowers and > > >Anya, julia wrote..... >This will help clarify about the pourable absolute. Scroll down past >the coriander info. Here's the bit: >Linden Blossom is indeed available as a pure absolute but it is more >like a very thick paste which is not at all pourable at room temperature. My stuff is thick, not pourable. The synth stuff that the two I was speaking about is pourable. janita adds: White Lotus finishes by saying " It may be that some new technique for extraction has happened and that beautiful and authentic Linden Blossom is available as a pourable liquid but I have not yet come accross it. " the mystery continues........ I shall keep an open mind..... --------------------------------- All new " The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. " - PC Magazine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Okay you all - What are your interpretations of how Linden Blossom Abs. smells. I never had it before and I find it to smell sort of like prunes, but not as sweet. I like it, but seeing as some of you have had problems with it before, I was just wondering what your olfactory impressions were. Thanks, Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 --- devorahsoap <devorahsoap@...> wrote: > Okay you all - What are your interpretations of how > Linden Blossom Abs. > smells. I never had it before and I find it to > smell sort of like > prunes, but not as sweet. I like it, but seeing as > some of you have > had problems with it before, I was just wondering > what your olfactory > impressions were. > > Thanks, Deb ********************************************* To me, it smells like a combination of fig newtons and marmite. At least the stuff I have. -Patty __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 --- devorahsoap <devorahsoap@...> wrote: > Okay you all - What are your interpretations of how > Linden Blossom Abs. > smells. I never had it before and I find it to > smell sort of like > prunes, but not as sweet. Hi Deb, I agree with the prune note and also Patty's fig Newton and marmite description but there is also a note that reminds me of burning candle wax or maybe crayons. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 > > Okay you all - What are your interpretations of how Linden Blossom Abs. > smells. I never had it before and I find it to smell sort of like > prunes, but not as sweet. I like it, but seeing as some of you have > had problems with it before, I was just wondering what your olfactory > impressions were. > > Thanks, Deb > Hi, Deb Yes, I'm sniffing my sample from Eden Botanicals and agree it smells like prunes. I also get ... with molasses. That black strap clean earthy sweetness. It is a lovely smell. Quite fruity. Blessings, Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 > > Okay you all - What are your interpretations of how Linden Blossom > Abs. > > smells. I never had it before and I find it to smell sort of like > > prunes, but not as sweet. I like it, but seeing as some of you have > > had problems with it before, I was just wondering what your olfactory > > impressions were. > > > > Thanks, Deb I got mine in a cosmetic jar from Camden Grey, and it is a bit like brown taffy that seems like it will pull out on and on leaving the last little tail stuck to the side of the jar and on everything you pulled it across.... but it really just snaps before too long, THEN sticks to something. I had to resist the temptation to lick it. It smells like everything everyone described above, not so sweet prunes, not so sweet molasses, not so sweet fig newtons, but it also has a sort of old book dusty smell to me also. I can vaguely smell the floral and it also has a tea note. I can also detect a beeswax note... but not crayons (crayons, at least Crayola, are FD & C colors, paraffin and stearic acid), which to me is more 'waxy', while beeswax has that hint of honey, which linden blossom also has. I have dissolved it in both alcohol and oils, but not very scientifically... I picked a little bit out with a toothpick, and swirled it til it dissolved (a long time) and repeated til the alcohol was almost black. I ran out of patience to do that much in oils, but enough to tell you it can disolve if you sit there smashing and mushing it against the side wall of your container. I also wanted to see if it would dissolve if I didn't sit there smushing it, so got a BIG dollop of it on a toothpick and threw the whole toothpick into a vial filled with alcohol. It is still a solid mound of tar on my toothpick in the vial... and I did that 4 months ago or so. Once diluted, it smells a little like honeyed tea, a little bit like warmed apples or maybe warm apple pie (red sweet apples, not green tart ones), with a tiny bit of floral. Diluted the musty book smell was fainter. I didn't dilute very much... the toothpick thing took too long to want to do it often. I did try it in a blend... it didn't seem to come through very strong. You might get that whole foodie thing going on like Thierry Mugler's Angel. I tried it with coffee EO (enhances that dark musty), some spikenard (more dark musty), roman chammomile (more appley), angelica seed (sort of cuminy), clary sage (bit of neutral green), a LOT of rose otto (all purpose floral), black pepper (hint of spice), a bit of davana (berry), vanilla absolute (grounds the blend, and makes it powdery), then I threw in a drop of peppermint (zing). It smells very unique, and well, musty, and not very well balanced, but I liked it. Very foody, yet oriental. I would stay far away from any of the citrus, lemony (litsea, lemongrass) including petitgrain, because I think when they mix with davana, something weird and metallic happens. Some people like it, but I don't. Everyone else in the family says it smells horrible btw, but my kids think anything that doesn't smell like blueberries is horrible. Gosh, I haven't smelled it in a few months, it should have melded more by now. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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