Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 --- bluefleuri <bluefleuri@...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I would like to make some natural perfumed lotions > to go along with a > couple of perfumes I have made. But the more > research I do I realize > that completely natural lotions do not exist. You > always have to use a > preservative because of the water content, if you > want any kind of > shelf life, and I have yet to find a natural one. I > see alot of > companies online that are selling organic lotions > that they say are > all natural. Does anyone know what kind of > preservative these > companies are using? When they list the ingredients > on their websites > I do not see any preservatives listed at all. Do you > think they are > just leaving them out of the list because the list > is not on the > bottle or package itself and they can? > Thanks, > Liz ************************************************** Hi Liz, We had a discussion recently about this. You might want to run a search in the archives using " preservatives " as the search word. There are a lot of conflicting opinions about using " natural " preservatives. Some are called natural when they are actually " nature-derived " , i.e. starting with plant material but chemically manipulated. Is it still natural? Depends on who you ask. Some folks claim they can preserve the product with things like grapefruit seed extract, but that's not going to kill all the little cooties. , I think, mentioned something about Bio-vert. But I don't know much about that. Whatever you use, be sure to have a lab test your products. I think the on-line companies you refer to may be just not mentioning the preservatives on their website because it doesn't sound " sexy " ? The label on the product should list all of the ingredients, per FDA regs. Hope you find the answers! -Patty ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New .com (http://www./preview) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 bluefleuri <bluefleuri@...> wrote: Hi Everyone, I would like to make some natural perfumed lotions to go along with a couple of perfumes I have made. But the more research I do I realize that completely natural lotions do not exist. You always have to use a preservative because of the water content, if you want any kind of shelf life, and I have yet to find a natural one. I see alot of companies online that are selling organic lotions that they say are all natural. Does anyone know what kind of preservative these companies are using? When they list the ingredients on their websites I do not see any preservatives listed at all. Do you think they are just leaving them out of the list because the list is not on the bottle or package itself and they can? Thanks, Liz Hi Liz - My lotions use a combination of natural preservatives and antioxidants, I was mostly looking for paraben free products. I add pure essential oils, mostly for skin benefit, and have had the lotions tested for bacteria and fungal contamination for up to six months and they were *well* within FDA limits for safety. After that they are probably still safe but they thinned and just weren't nice anymore. I use a 2% concentration of essential oils, most of which add excellent anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties. A full list of ingredients is on my website. If you'd like information about the lotions and challenge testing, please email me privately. Elise http://www.tambela.com --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Hi Everyone, > I would like to make some natural perfumed lotions to go along with a > couple of perfumes I have made. But the more research I do I realize > that completely natural lotions do not exist. You always have to use a > preservative because of the water content, if you want any kind of > shelf life, and I have yet to find a natural one. I see alot of > companies online that are selling organic lotions that they say are > all natural. Does anyone know what kind of preservative these > companies are using? When they list the ingredients on their websites > I do not see any preservatives listed at all. Do you think they are > just leaving them out of the list because the list is not on the > bottle or package itself and they can? > Thanks, > Liz Hi Liz, If I had loads of money I would go to a company that bulk dry stuff, like powdered goats milk company, and get them to dry my lotions, turn them into powder, so quickly that the properties are not destroyed, then I would be able to box the powder and market it in dry powder form, for people to make up themselves by adding spring water, and only making up a small amount at a time. It sounds crazy but I think it would work, Dr what do you think? It would solve the preservative problem and the plastic/glass problem as it's easy to box and transport powders! Ruth http://www.whitewitch.ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 sniped a bit for brevity >Hi Liz, > >If I had loads of money I would go to a company that bulk dry stuff, >like powdered goats milk company, and get them to dry my lotions, turn >them into powder, so quickly that the properties are not destroyed, >then I would be able to box the powder and market it in dry powder >form, for people to make up themselves by adding spring water, and >only making up a small amount at a time. It sounds crazy but I think >it would work, Dr what do you think? It would solve the >preservative problem and the plastic/glass problem as it's easy to box >and transport powders! > >Ruth >http://www.whitewitch.ie > > Hello Ruth, Now that's thought. BTW, I checked out your website. You look too young to be a grandmother. Your little girl on the label is really cute. Have you considered getting her to be a baby modelling agency? The title of Squirrel Whitewitch was kindly bestowed upon me by . She is too kind. regards, Poh Yee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 I do not see any preservatives listed at all. Do you think they are just leaving them out of the list because the list is not on the bottle or package itself and they can? Thanks, Liz Liz, There are some natural preservatives out there. However, they have a tendency to smell a bit. I know that some people use ROE (rosemary oleoresin). I haven't done the research on the natural preservatives, but I do know someone that has. If you email me off list I will give you their information and they can lead you in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Thanks Elise and Ruth The dry powder lotion idea is genius Ruth. Did it cost alot to get your lotions tested in a lab Elise? Thanks again, Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 >>>>I see alot of companies online that are selling organic lotions that they say are all natural. Does anyone know what kind of preservative these companies are using? When they list the ingredients on their websites I do not see any preservatives listed at all. Do you think they are just leaving them out of the list because the list is not on the bottle or package itself and they can? Thanks, Liz >>>>>>>> Hi Liz I don't post much here as I am here as a learner of natural perfumery and don't usually have much info to share. BTW thank you all for the knowledge. I have learned much! I use a combination of anti-bacterials, anti-fungals ( I have a cream with oatmeal in it that I had a terrible time figuring out how to keep from molding), ph stabilizers, and anti-oxidants. Some of these are : rosemary oleoresin extract, zinc oxide, benzoin powder and tincture, citric acid, vitamin E, baking soda, grapefruit seed extract, and borax. (the last two may be irritating to sensitive skin though I have never had problems with the low quantity of these sensitizers that are used). It takes some trial and error to find the right combination for different formulas. When you finally get it right, there is so much satisfaction. The " natural " problem comes from the emulsifiers as the " natural state " emulsifiers do not hold the emulsion as well as other emulsifiers that are derived from natural plant sources. These are generally sensitive-skin safe. As far as the organic label goes. I don't remember the exact number but it is a very small percentage of organic ingredients needed in order to legally advertise as " organic " . The product doesn't even need to be all natural to be advertised as " organic " . Read the labels and look for words that are familiar or easy to pronounce. If 100% natural and organic is important to you, you must educate yourself because the big companies will try to fool you! I generally advertise as " mostly organic " as I am using more organic ingredients as budget allows and hoping to become as organic as possible. Lotion and cream making is a lot of fun. Much of the fun is in trial and error--if you like the experimination process as I do. Happy creating! www.soulkitchencreations.com --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited Try it today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 bluefleuri <bluefleuri@...> wrote: Thanks Elise and Ruth The dry powder lotion idea is genius Ruth. Did it cost alot to get your lotions tested in a lab Elise? Thanks again, Liz I use at Sagescript Institute (www.sagescript.com). Her prices looked good to me after some research and I have been pleased with her service. Elise http://www.tambela.com --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 > > Thanks Elise and Ruth > > The dry powder lotion idea is genius Ruth. Did it cost alot to get > your lotions tested in a lab Elise? > > Thanks again, > Liz > > > I use at Sagescript Institute (www.sagescript.com). Her prices looked good to me after some research and I have been pleased with her service. > Thanks again Elise, I just looked on her site and her prices are very reasonable. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 -> > bluefleuri <bluefleuri@> wrote: Hi Everyone, > > I would like to make some natural perfumed lotions to go along with a > > couple of perfumes I have made. But the more research I do I realize > > that completely natural lotions do not exist. <<<<<<<..........>>>>>>>>>>> > > Thanks, > > Liz > > Hi Liz, > > If I had loads of money I would go to a company that bulk dry stuff, > like powdered goats milk company, and get them to dry my lotions, turn > them into powder, so quickly that the properties are not destroyed, > then I would be able to box the powder and market it in dry powder > form, for people to make up themselves by adding spring water, and > only making up a small amount at a time. It sounds crazy but I think > it would work, Dr what do you think? It would solve the > preservative problem and the plastic/glass problem as it's easy to box > and transport powders! > > Ruth > http://www.whitewitch.ie > Ruth, this is a great idea but may not actually work, at least as far as lotions go. They contain a percentage of fatty oil, and this could not be dried as there's no water to remove. You would have the same issue with any other non-aqueous ingredients, including essential oils. You could just include water-soluble ingredients, but then you would basically have a watery solution, not anything like a lotion. Some herb extracts, and many other cosmetic ingredients, already come as dried powders, and it might be very possible to make something that would reconstitute as as gel when water is added. Most gelling agents come as powders. Another consideration is that all cosmetic ingredients, including water, have to have a low microbial count. The risk is that the water used for reconstitution might lead to fungal or bacterial growth - spring water is particularly high in microbes. But, if only done a little at a time, then no problem. Tisserand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 bluefleuri <bluefleuri@...> wrote: > > Thanks Elise and Ruth > > The dry powder lotion idea is genius Ruth. Did it cost alot to get > your lotions tested in a lab Elise? > > Thanks again, > Liz > > > I use at Sagescript Institute (www.sagescript.com). Her prices looked good to me after some research and I have been pleased with her service. > Thanks again Elise, I just looked on her site and her prices are very reasonable. Liz Good - I think you'll be happy with her service and good luck! Elise --------------------------------- Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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