Re: Will the real Jonquile abs please stand up

[Guest guest]

>

> I have two jonquille absolute ( Narcissus jonquilla, France ) from

> different suppliers.

>

> One is an orange liquid, with a heavy sweet odor, intensly floral with

> a green note. It reminds me a bit of the sweet heaviness of jasmine

> grandiflorum with the green character of jasmine sambac.

>

> The other is thicker (becoming more like a soft solid in the fridge)

> with an earthy herbacious green note. A much deeper and earthier odor

> than the first sample. It is a dark greenish/brownish/orangish color.

>

> Neither exactly matches the description by Arctander. Any thoughts?

>

> thanks!

>

>

Hi ,

Mine comes from White Lotus & it is closer to your latter description.

's stuff is very reliable, so I'd put my stock in that. Arctander,

God

attest, is like trying to apply Pope Innocent III to Vatican II!!!!! As an

historian,

this girl appreciates & understangs Arctander, but the guy has been rotting for

a time long passed since CO2, SCO2, Molecular Dist. arrived on the scene.

Though I believe 's Jonquil Abs. is/was solvent extracted, the fact

remains that if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander Corpse, we'll perish

with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

At 11:53 PM 4/5/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > One is an orange liquid, with a heavy sweet odor, intensly floral with

> > a green note. It reminds me a bit of the sweet heaviness of jasmine

> > grandiflorum with the green character of jasmine sambac.

> >

> > The other is thicker (becoming more like a soft solid in the fridge)

> > with an earthy herbacious green note. A much deeper and earthier odor

> > than the first sample. It is a dark greenish/brownish/orangish color.

> >

> > Neither exactly matches the description by Arctander. Any thoughts?

>

>

>Hi ,

>

>Mine comes from White Lotus & it is closer to your latter description.

>'s stuff is very reliable, so I'd put my stock in that.

>Arctander, God

>attest, is like trying to apply Pope Innocent III to Vatican II!!!!! As an

>historian,

>this girl appreciates & understangs Arctander, but the guy has been

>rotting for

>a time long passed since CO2, SCO2, Molecular Dist. arrived on the scene.

A bit harsh, don't you think, Ezzie? With your wish to toss out the

classics, what would we be left with ? No Poucher, no Carles, no Piesse,

Ducasse, no nuttin? They're all, ahem, decomposing, but their lucid and

illuminating writings on the goodies we love lives on. Last night TV stank

like a dime store cologne, so I sat and red Arctander, just for fun, I'm

that kind of silly thing.

If anyone has written a book as well-grounded as Arctanders on the CO2,

SCO2, isolates, etc., please let us know, and I'll snap that up for my

library, too. Well, the flavoring industry must have such references, since

the CO2s were developed for that industry, correct? I figure I've spent 30

years trying to master the classics, I can patiently wait for my

experiments with the new stuff until they prove themselves.

>Though I believe 's Jonquil Abs. is/was solvent extracted, the

>fact

>remains that if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander Corpse, we'll

>perish

>with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And here I was, thinking Arctander was a light in the darkness that made

living, breathing Natural Perfumery come alive ;-) Just goes to show you,

perspective is everything!

PS - there are several species of jonquils (jonquilli, poeticus)

that can go into the making of jonquil abs. check with your supplier which

ones you have. You should also ask for the GCs, and make sure you're buying

from a reputable dealer. There's a lot of bogus jonquil out there. What

suppliers did you use? That's open for discussion, and the education on the

different jonquils can help us all.

Anya

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[Guest guest]

> Arctander, God

> attest, is like trying to apply Pope Innocent III to Vatican

II!!!!!

As an historian,

> this girl appreciates & understangs Arctander, but the guy has

been

rotting for

> a time long passed since CO2, SCO2, Molecular Dist. arrived on the

scene.

> the fact

> remains that if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander Corpse,

we'll perish

> with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This doesn't sound like appreciation or understanding to me! You

have the right to express your opinion, of course. But don't you

think by saying such things as " ...the guy has been rotting for a

long time... " and " ...if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander

Corpse, we'll perish with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " you are being very

disrespectful of a human being who is deceased. How would a member

of Steffan Arctander's family feel if they read what you have

written? Or how would you feel if someone said this about you or

your deceased relatives?

When professionals disagree, they criticize by using intelligent

arguments to make a point, not by using disrespectful language.

Ezzie, I believe you owe an apology to the Arctander family and to

us NP members who read what you wrote.

Mark

[Guest guest]

> Arctander, God

> attest, is like trying to apply Pope Innocent III to Vatican

II!!!!!

As an historian,

> this girl appreciates & understangs Arctander, but the guy has

been

rotting for

> a time long passed since CO2, SCO2, Molecular Dist. arrived on the

scene.

> the fact

> remains that if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander Corpse,

we'll perish

> with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This doesn't sound like appreciation or understanding to me! You

have the right to express your opinion, of course. But don't you

think by saying such things as " ...the guy has been rotting for a

long time... " and " ...if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander

Corpse, we'll perish with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " you are being very

disrespectful of a human being who is deceased. How would a member

of Steffan Arctander's family feel if they read what you have

written? Or how would you feel if someone said this about you or

your deceased relatives?

When professionals disagree, they criticize by using intelligent

arguments to make a point, not by using disrespectful language.

Ezzie, I believe you owe an apology to the Arctander family and to

us NP members who read what you wrote.

Mark

[Guest guest]

> Arctander, God

> attest, is like trying to apply Pope Innocent III to Vatican

II!!!!!

As an historian,

> this girl appreciates & understangs Arctander, but the guy has

been

rotting for

> a time long passed since CO2, SCO2, Molecular Dist. arrived on the

scene.

> the fact

> remains that if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander Corpse,

we'll perish

> with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This doesn't sound like appreciation or understanding to me! You

have the right to express your opinion, of course. But don't you

think by saying such things as " ...the guy has been rotting for a

long time... " and " ...if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander

Corpse, we'll perish with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " you are being very

disrespectful of a human being who is deceased. How would a member

of Steffan Arctander's family feel if they read what you have

written? Or how would you feel if someone said this about you or

your deceased relatives?

When professionals disagree, they criticize by using intelligent

arguments to make a point, not by using disrespectful language.

Ezzie, I believe you owe an apology to the Arctander family and to

us NP members who read what you wrote.

Mark

[Guest guest]

On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:10 AM, ankhefenpaaten wrote:

>

>

> > Arctander, God

> > attest, is like trying to apply Pope Innocent III to Vatican

> II!!!!!

> As an historian,

> > this girl appreciates & understangs Arctander, but the guy has

> been

> rotting for

> > a time long passed since CO2, SCO2, Molecular Dist. arrived on the

> scene.

>

> > the fact

> > remains that if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander Corpse,

> we'll perish

> > with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

>

> This doesn't sound like appreciation or understanding to me! You

> have the right to express your opinion, of course. But don't you

> think by saying such things as " ...the guy has been rotting for a

> long time... " and " ...if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander

> Corpse, we'll perish with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " you are being very

> disrespectful of a human being who is deceased. How would a member

> of Steffan Arctander's family feel if they read what you have

> written? Or how would you feel if someone said this about you or

> your deceased relatives?

>

> When professionals disagree, they criticize by using intelligent

> arguments to make a point, not by using disrespectful language.

> Ezzie, I believe you owe an apology to the Arctander family and to

> us NP members who read what you wrote.

>

> Mark

>

>

> response: lighten up...i think she made a great point.

i'm sure Arctander would have a sense of humour...

the point is to keep growing in life.

*smile*

personally, i did not get that she was disrespecting.

have a nice day.

L

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:10 AM, ankhefenpaaten wrote:

>

>

> > Arctander, God

> > attest, is like trying to apply Pope Innocent III to Vatican

> II!!!!!

> As an historian,

> > this girl appreciates & understangs Arctander, but the guy has

> been

> rotting for

> > a time long passed since CO2, SCO2, Molecular Dist. arrived on the

> scene.

>

> > the fact

> > remains that if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander Corpse,

> we'll perish

> > with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

>

> This doesn't sound like appreciation or understanding to me! You

> have the right to express your opinion, of course. But don't you

> think by saying such things as " ...the guy has been rotting for a

> long time... " and " ...if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander

> Corpse, we'll perish with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " you are being very

> disrespectful of a human being who is deceased. How would a member

> of Steffan Arctander's family feel if they read what you have

> written? Or how would you feel if someone said this about you or

> your deceased relatives?

>

> When professionals disagree, they criticize by using intelligent

> arguments to make a point, not by using disrespectful language.

> Ezzie, I believe you owe an apology to the Arctander family and to

> us NP members who read what you wrote.

>

> Mark

>

>

> response: lighten up...i think she made a great point.

i'm sure Arctander would have a sense of humour...

the point is to keep growing in life.

*smile*

personally, i did not get that she was disrespecting.

have a nice day.

L

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi ,

>

> Mine comes from White Lotus & it is closer to your latter description.

> 's stuff is very reliable, so I'd put my stock in that.

Arctander, God

> attest, is like trying to apply Pope Innocent III to Vatican II!!!!!

As an historian,

> this girl appreciates & understangs Arctander, but the guy has been

rotting for

> a time long passed since CO2, SCO2, Molecular Dist. arrived on the

scene.

> Though I believe 's Jonquil Abs. is/was solvent

extracted, the fact

> remains that if we keep hangin' our hats on the Arctander Corpse,

we'll perish

> with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

Oh my. Well, I understand that Arctander's volume has not been

updated since he passed away, but I still feel it is of tremendous

value to natural perfumery. Certainly, I would not hang my hat on any

one author or expert - I tend to like to research in a number of

places and come to a conclusion based on that (thus posing my question

to the NP group).

[Guest guest]

>

> PS - there are several species of jonquils (jonquilli,

poeticus)

> that can go into the making of jonquil abs. check with your supplier

which

> ones you have. You should also ask for the GCs, and make sure you're

buying

> from a reputable dealer. There's a lot of bogus jonquil out there. What

> suppliers did you use? That's open for discussion, and the education

on the

> different jonquils can help us all.

>

>

> Anya

Hi Anya,

The one with a jasmine like sweetness (and indolic character) is from

Liberty. The green-earthy one is from the Essential Oil Company.

They both list the species and origin as narcissus jonquilla from

France. They both smell very " natural " to me, both interesting too-

but different.

I purchased a the bottle of jonquil from the Essential Oil Company

when my curiousity got the best of me and I decided I absolutely

needed to try the jasmine and tuberose florasol ( Wilde) -they

are amazing on first sniff - I still need sit down and give them a

proper examination. The tuberose florasol seems to emphasize a bright

almost wintergreen like topnote compared to the deep creaminess of

tuberose absolute. I love both. Precious (expensive) stuff.)