RE: high posterior alpha

[Guest guest]

I have a client on whom I am doing alpha

theta, His posterior alphas are in the 25-50 microvolt range, theta much

lower. Seems to me I remember something about training down alpha in these

folks first. What is a protocol for doing that and when do you switch to

standard alpha theta (when crossover occurs as I remember). How do I best

initially get the alpha down.

Thanks,

Saint

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Eden

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:30

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Subject: RE:

neurofeedback groups in St Louis

I pratice in Tulsa and would be willing

to travel to St. Louis

to participate in a group. Anyone else interested?

Eden

Foxx

<foxx@...> wrote:

I really think it would be great if others

could emulate the model and others have created in Virginia.

They got started because several of them

were seeing the same practitioner, who suggested they get together. And

enlightened practitioner, obviously! That would be one place to start.

Foxx

Re:

neurofeedback groups

I am wondering about the St.

Louis area as well. Anyone know of a group like

this. Chicago

is a little too far at this point.

<pattonwh@...> wrote:

Is there a neurofeedback

group like this in the Chicago

area? It sounds wonderful.

7b. Re: 2.5 SW

Posted by: " Duncan " karenduncan@... kardun2003

Date: Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:12 am (PDT)

Zelda~

Where are you located? If you ask on the list you may be able to find some who

do train at home near you that you can connect with for support and

encouragement. Being in the Wash DC/Virginia area where we have a neurofeedback

group approaching 100 members, I know most could not have gained as much

without the constant support of the group. And ....what's important to note is

a good percentage of the group are also licensed therapists from several

different practices or agencies who also benefit from the support and the

interaction at our meetings. (we don't discriminate :~)

Perhaps this list can help you locate other trainers.

~

>

>

[Guest guest]

Saint,

I would try the alpha theta first (assuming you've already done some other work

with this client). Have him develop a visualization of something he'd like to

change and, once the alpha gets going, instruct him to begin visualizing. That

often helps to raise 7 Hz activity.

If the alpha is simply too resistant, then you might try P3/A1 alpha down. I'd

be interested in knowing more about whether the alpha blocks effectively when

eyes are open, whether its peak is around 10 Hz and whether it is primarily

dominant posteriorly in the head or whether it covers the frontal lobes as well.

Is this guy a meditator?

Pete

>

> From: " St Lee " <stgeorgelee@...>

> Date: 2006/06/20 Tue PM 04:27:50 EDT

> < >

> Subject: RE: high posterior alpha

>

> I have a client on whom I am doing alpha theta, His posterior alphas are in

> the 25-50 microvolt range, theta much lower. Seems to me I remember

> something about training down alpha in these folks first. What is a

> protocol for doing that and when do you switch to standard alpha theta (when

> crossover occurs as I remember). How do I best initially get the alpha

> down.

[Guest guest]

Pete,

Thanks for the feedback. I am away from the office and my data on him for the

next two weeks. He is a 65 yo man, controlling type, addict, subclinically

anxious (as I recall hot temporals and a low peak alpha, aournd 8.5, L/R frontal

reversals of both alpha and theta. I have been training him for a long time and

gotten some relaxation with alpha theta sessions but no definitve other changes,

tho I get the feeling he has been more relaxed even without crossover

experiences. Among his many sessions have been a number of alpha theta

sessions. IN the more recent ones, using your protocol, I have noticed alpha in

these high ranges at Pz, and well above beta. He has had very little and no

sustained crossover in any sessions, and denies any feelings, memories, dreams,

etc. coming up during alpha theta, tho he does find the latter very relaxing.

He responded very well to the first alpha beta symmetry protocol (better

acceptance of self and others, waking up to music in his head for the first time

in years), but has noticed no particular response after further sessions of

same. After temporal training, he noted increased risk behavior but nothing

else. Other sessions have yielded no defnitive changes except for HEG which

greatly disturbed his sleep. Over time, he has become slowly less reactive,

less defensive and more accepting.

If I trained down alpha, would I obvserve it til it was near the theta range and

then switch to alpha theta?

Thanks again,

Saint

---- Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote:

> Saint,

>

> I would try the alpha theta first (assuming you've already done some other

work with this client). Have him develop a visualization of something he'd like

to change and, once the alpha gets going, instruct him to begin visualizing.

That often helps to raise 7 Hz activity.

>

> If the alpha is simply too resistant, then you might try P3/A1 alpha down.

I'd be interested in knowing more about whether the alpha blocks effectively

when eyes are open, whether its peak is around 10 Hz and whether it is primarily

dominant posteriorly in the head or whether it covers the frontal lobes as well.

Is this guy a meditator?

>

> Pete

>

> >

> > From: " St Lee " <stgeorgelee@...>

> > Date: 2006/06/20 Tue PM 04:27:50 EDT

> > < >

> > Subject: RE: high posterior alpha

> >

> > I have a client on whom I am doing alpha theta, His posterior alphas are in

> > the 25-50 microvolt range, theta much lower. Seems to me I remember

> > something about training down alpha in these folks first. What is a

> > protocol for doing that and when do you switch to standard alpha theta (when

> > crossover occurs as I remember). How do I best initially get the alpha

> > down.

>