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Thanks, . But I do think this is a good thing. My son is definitely sharper

after his 'illness'. His handwriting is better too. One great news is that my

son who has developmental delay never yelled or called out names loud. Now, he

is calling me 'mommy' from the other room. I am SO happy.

Thanks for all your help

Jay

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

Sorry you are having thes reactions Jay-after over a year of use- I

have never had any bad reactions-except maybe the staining of my

teeth- now I try and brush after use

>

> Hi all,

>

> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2

weeks on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea

and a mild fever. He wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know,

so I thought this must have been due to the CSM pulling the toxins,

but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related to CSM. Then after about

4 days, he got better and stools are much better too. Since he has

never had this kind of illness except when it all started with his

severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

>

> Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe

watery diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to

the CSM pulling toxins but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of

illness is unusual for me too. I wanted to see if anyone had similar

experience with CSM.

>

> Thanks so much

> Jay

>

>

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HI Jay,

I also had 2 children that were on CSM, along with myself. The kids to quit

taking it as they became very sick on it. Under further investigation we

found out they had severe stomach disorders, which was causing the problems

and would not allow their bodies to ingest it. The only way were able to

find the problem was to have a CAT scan done on them. I would suggest if

this does keep up with your son that you make sure there is no under lying

problem.

[] Re: A Question on CSM

>I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr

> Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it

> again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I

> will. I'm taking another route for now.

>

>

>>

>> Hi all,

>>

>> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks

> on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a

> mild fever.

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

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>>On Behalf Of carondeen Stomach bloating up is most likly candida

overgrowth do to mold exposure- you need to start treating yourself if you

want to get better- get a perscription for CSM and practice avoidence of

mold- the candida will be helped immensly if you stay on Shoemakers no

amlose diet. I don't think you need another " specialist " - who probably does

not know anything to get better- you need to do the work youself.

>

Hi . Stomach bloating can be caused by more than just Candida. Such

as food intolerances and some rather serious. Take a look at:

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/abdominal_swelling.htm

The amlose diet is good, however the candida (if we have it) also needs to

be killed and the bowel replenished with friendly bacteria. We all have

some candida in our intestines; it's only a problem when there is an

overgrowth and we must kill and replenish the friendly, good bacteria.

Question what does someone do if they cannot find a local M.D. to prescribe

the CSM?

Rosie

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Hi ,

Thanks for sharing your experience. My son has had gut issues for a long time

and he has been on GFCFYFSFCF (you name it) diet, SCD diet, for several years

with very little effect. I know he will be worse if he goes on a regular diet

(by this I mean good healthy normal organic foods and he has never had junk food

in his life ). He has been on tons of several kinds of probiotics, digestive

enzymes, goat's yogurt (in the past) and supplements and what not. We even did a

scope of his colon and ileum. From our experience, we have always felt that

bacterial toxins were causing most of his gut issues (we used to think it was

clostridial, but now we know he has more serious bacteria ), so we have come a

long way in recognizing what's happening to his gut when we give him something.

Since he is much better after his recent illness (which could have still been

due to a virus) and is tolerating his CSM, we will continue with it. I really

believe that most gut issues are due to dysbiosis and or toxins and this will

slowly lead to food sensitivities and allergies. Many parasites are linked to

food allergies too.

Jay

<eaglestone@...> wrote:

HI Jay,

I also had 2 children that were on CSM, along with myself. The kids to quit

taking it as they became very sick on it. Under further investigation we

found out they had severe stomach disorders, which was causing the problems

and would not allow their bodies to ingest it. The only way were able to

find the problem was to have a CAT scan done on them. I would suggest if

this does keep up with your son that you make sure there is no under lying

problem.

[] Re: A Question on CSM

>I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr

> Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it

> again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I

> will. I'm taking another route for now.

>

>

>>

>> Hi all,

>>

>> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks

> on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a

> mild fever.

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

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Jay,

I hope everything works out for your son. Hopefully he will get better. It

is just awful when your children are sick and you can't seem to put your

finger on it.

Good Luck

[] Re: A Question on CSM

>

>

>>I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr

>> Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it

>> again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I

>> will. I'm taking another route for now.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hi all,

>>>

>>> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks

>> on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a

>> mild fever.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>>

>>

>>

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Thanks, .

It is worse when doctors have no clue and it's all up to you to figure it all

out :(

Goodluck to you and your family too.

take care

Jay

<blackmold@...> wrote:

Jay,

I hope everything works out for your son. Hopefully he will get better. It

is just awful when your children are sick and you can't seem to put your

finger on it.

Good Luck

[] Re: A Question on CSM

>

>

>>I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr

>> Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it

>> again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I

>> will. I'm taking another route for now.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hi all,

>>>

>>> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks

>> on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a

>> mild fever.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>>

>>

>>

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>>>-On Behalf Of tigerpaw2c

For those who can't find a doctor to prescibe CSM, not that this is

a one size fits all medication, but it obviously it does help, you

have to find something to rebuild your immune system and to remove

some of these toxins. For any doctors that refuse to prescibe CSM I

would inform them documented information would help, that this has

been used for many years to remove all types of toxins in animals

and humans. It's not like it is an addictive drug or a barbituate so

I really don't under what the problem is. It sounds more like a

personal opinion on something that they are not aware of.

Just my two cents. You have to start somewhere and I do understand

about finances being tight. Your health and life depends on it. KC>>>>

Thank you K.C. I agree with you, we have to start somewhere and yes there

are many M.D's who will not prescribe the CSM because they are unfamiliar

with it and with toxic mold illness as they are with MCS.

I'm wondering if someone on this group could supply those who do not have

access to trained and open M.D.'s dealing with toxic mold illness some

online literature about CSM which they could print out for their local

physicians to perhaps convince them to write a prescription?

Course I'd love if every M.D. in this country would read Drs. Shoemaker and

Schaller books, however that's not a reality.

Just my petals of thoughts,

Rosie

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Being as how CSM was used for high colesteral I supose I would be sceptic of

doctors who never heard of it, but I am sure it is true. Where are you from

that you cannot find a doctor that uses this type of protocal? I am curious, I

have found myself that they are out there but are hard to find. The one I found

actually works for a plastic surgeon group. I never would have known. If you

are from Houston there are some there, I almost came there first. My sister and

Uncle live there. Just curious...

Chris...

healthier4all <Healthier4All@...> wrote:

>>>-On Behalf Of tigerpaw2c

For those who can't find a doctor to prescibe CSM, not that this is

a one size fits all medication, but it obviously it does help, you

have to find something to rebuild your immune system and to remove

some of these toxins. For any doctors that refuse to prescibe CSM I

would inform them documented information would help, that this has

been used for many years to remove all types of toxins in animals

and humans. It's not like it is an addictive drug or a barbituate so

I really don't under what the problem is. It sounds more like a

personal opinion on something that they are not aware of.

Just my two cents. You have to start somewhere and I do understand

about finances being tight. Your health and life depends on it. KC>>>>

Thank you K.C. I agree with you, we have to start somewhere and yes there

are many M.D's who will not prescribe the CSM because they are unfamiliar

with it and with toxic mold illness as they are with MCS.

I'm wondering if someone on this group could supply those who do not have

access to trained and open M.D.'s dealing with toxic mold illness some

online literature about CSM which they could print out for their local

physicians to perhaps convince them to write a prescription?

Course I'd love if every M.D. in this country would read Drs. Shoemaker and

Schaller books, however that's not a reality.

Just my petals of thoughts,

Rosie

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I have been on similar GFCFYFSFCF and also address some 26 other foods that

I tested intolerant to from the immunosciences IgG testing. It is not easy

to keep to this diet but makes me feel better to do so. I do tolerate some

amounts of goat dairy products and sometimes sheep (pecorino) but in

general, consume these just a few times per week. I also eat daily large

doses of raw sauerkraut products www.rejunventative.com

<http://www.rejunventative.com/> products as well

My gut issues are more fixed than ever. I have been on CSM now since beg of

Jan. I had hit some total remission and amazing results on my VCS testing

but suddenly am having some minor (or not minor) exacerbations of numbness

in face and along chest similar to where I have had the trigeminal neuralgia

in past plus some weakness in my legs. I have diagnosed MS on top of all

that although believe that my MS is chronic mycotoxins or mold toxin

mediated effect.

There was a time when my endless diarrhea made it useless I thought to

pursue any supplements. Today, I do the CSM but also add for past year have

added in larger doses of vita C, vita E, omega E, b complex, zinc, and more

recently ALA, NAC, milk thistle, vita D and others.

I have very high C4a levels in the 20,000 region past 3 years, very low MSH

(8), normal leptin and high levels of Sed rate, cRP and other serum levels

indicating inflammation process..

Anyway.life continues.

_____

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On Behalf Of jay krishnaa

Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:35 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: A Question on CSM

Hi ,

Thanks for sharing your experience. My son has had gut issues for a long

time and he has been on GFCFYFSFCF (you name it) diet, SCD diet, for

several years with very little effect. I know he will be worse if he goes on

a regular diet (by this I mean good healthy normal organic foods and he has

never had junk food in his life ). He has been on tons of several kinds of

probiotics, digestive enzymes, goat's yogurt (in the past) and supplements

and what not. We even did a scope of his colon and ileum. From our

experience, we have always felt that bacterial toxins were causing most of

his gut issues (we used to think it was clostridial, but now we know he has

more serious bacteria ), so we have come a long way in recognizing what's

happening to his gut when we give him something.

Since he is much better after his recent illness (which could have still

been due to a virus) and is tolerating his CSM, we will continue with it. I

really believe that most gut issues are due to dysbiosis and or toxins and

this will slowly lead to food sensitivities and allergies. Many parasites

are linked to food allergies too.

Jay

<eaglestone@...> wrote:

HI Jay,

I also had 2 children that were on CSM, along with myself. The kids to quit

taking it as they became very sick on it. Under further investigation we

found out they had severe stomach disorders, which was causing the problems

and would not allow their bodies to ingest it. The only way were able to

find the problem was to have a CAT scan done on them. I would suggest if

this does keep up with your son that you make sure there is no under lying

problem.

[] Re: A Question on CSM

>I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr

> Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it

> again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I

> will. I'm taking another route for now.

>

>

>>

>> Hi all,

>>

>> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks

> on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a

> mild fever.

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

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