Re: Bone cancer/Dr. Bormann

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bormann

Here you go again! You just put suggestions on the list about the products

you sell to use on rosocea. And you assumed. . .we all know better than to

assume, especially healthwise and reputation wise! Everything you say is

supposed to be taken as gospel and everything anyone else says is

questionable by and to you?! And Who's Monitoring his posts? Remember this

is a group of people volunteering suggestions to each other. . . Not

drumming up business.

Kate

You said:

....I would

> assume whomever told you to use it doesn't understand skincare chemistry

> well...it's good for infections but not this...at least not from what I've

seen...

>

> Just some thoughts...

Re: H202 inhaler/bone cancer

> > >

> > >

> > > > Would this be helpful to a 10 year old little girl with advanced

bone

> > > > cancer? And would she use the same strength, if it would?

> > > > Kate

[Guest guest]

I agree 100%. Please consider staying on the list. We have enough we are all

up against, the last thing we need is fighting amongst each other.

> Dr. Bormann:

> Please reconsider and stay on this list. Saul would be the first to agree

> that this list is neither a fan club nor a blinkered belief-system forum

> that can't bear dissent or honest questioning. We need informed voices like

> yours. I cannot apologize for the knee jerk negative responses of others to

> your vigorous questioning of Saul's assertions, but I can implore you to

> stick around and continue to lock horns with one and all in the interests of

> truth and genuine advancement of the healing arts.

> Sincerely,

> Colin Yardley

>

[Guest guest]

I second this Kate, very well put!

Laurie

mk wrote:

> Dr. Bormann

> Here you go again! You just put suggestions on the list

> about the products

> you sell to use on rosocea. And you assumed. . .we all

> know better than to

> assume, especially healthwise and reputation wise!

> Everything you say is

> supposed to be taken as gospel and everything anyone else

> says is

> questionable by and to you?! And Who's Monitoring his

> posts? Remember this

> is a group of people volunteering suggestions to each

> other. . . Not

> drumming up business.

> Kate

> You said:

> ...I would

> > assume whomever told you to use it doesn't understand

> skincare chemistry

> > well...it's good for infections but not this...at least

> not from what I've

> seen...

> >

> > Just some thoughts...

>

>

> Re: H202 inhaler/bone cancer

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Would this be helpful to a 10 year old little girl

> with advanced

> bone

> > > > > cancer? And would she use the same strength, if

> it would?

> > > > > Kate

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And here we go, again. I wonder, can we just not beat up on each other or,

at least, do it privately without the attempt to publicly embarrass the

beat-up-ee? I hate to read stuff like this because it makes me think

thoughts about you that I don't want to think. Don't even want to sign my

name.

Re: H202 inhaler/bone cancer

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Would this be helpful to a 10 year old little girl

> > with advanced

> > bone

> > > > > > cancer? And would she use the same strength, if

> > it would?

> > > > > > Kate

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dr C borman, it seems you have a lot of knowledge and you have defended

yourself

here. I gather people with your experience can benefit from your comments

and

thoughts....leaving because of some criticism.... well I do hope you will

reconsider...

there are others that might feel this way also....stay awhile longer....

if you react to

the critics then you might realize later people could very well push your

buttons to

just you to leave...but...if you do leave please let me know what other

groups you are

on..cause I am interested in your viewpoint...private e-mail is ok.

thanks mike slivinski

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:26:52 -0700 " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. "

<drcnb@...> writes:

> Dear Kate/Saul:

> What's up with this...? " Here I go again " ...Doing What

> Exactly?...Don't get your panties in a wad!

>

> I said I use these products...find them yourself on other sites--I

> don't care. It was just a suggestion. I'm not on this list to sell

> products people are offended by. Gads...try to post something

> helpful in response do a valid question and get blasted...chill

> out... I Assume? ... assume what?...all I can go from is what is

> typed...there are no facial or verbal expressions to go with it...so

> am I supposed to be a mind reader?

>

> Who says everything I say is supposed to be gospel? I never

> did...you've read that into it. What is your problem...do you hate

> all Naturopaths or is it just me?...

>

> Whose monitoring the posts? Try FBI and FTC...any discussion group

> with the prefix " oxy " is monitored...it has been for almost 2 years.

> So are hundreds of other words that reflect fields of interest that

> the Feds expect " quacks " to be involved in...like " rife " , " frequency

> generators " etc. That's based on what the FDA & FTC did when they

> went through manufacturers

> like Saul and others and asked them to cease and desist making

> medical claims for their products... If you don't think these lists

> are monitored, you've got your head in the sand...

>

> Hey...I couldn't care less if anyone buys any of our products from

> this list...(although since it's Saul's list, he can sell any of his

> products and doesn't get blasted...maybe that's part of the

> problem)...that's not why I post...you can find any of these

> products from many suppliers, not just me. Just because I may

> challenge Saul's statements doesn't mean I don't have great respect

> for what he does and provides... this was a discussion group I

> thought, not a fan club...

>

> I just think that one has to watch the wording of posts, especially

> when one is already been warned by the powers that be like Saul

> has... his words can be used by a patient who has a bad experience

> and can come back and use it in a court case against him...it's

> already happened in several cases I'm aware of including Dr.Sinako

> in San Francisco and 2 doctors in New York...

>

> Saul, please remove me from the list.

>

> Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P.

> **********

>

> mk wrote:

>

> > Dr. Bormann

> > Here you go again! You just put suggestions on the list about the

> products

> > you sell to use on rosocea. And you assumed. . .we all know

> better than to

> > assume, especially healthwise and reputation wise! Everything you

> say is

> > supposed to be taken as gospel and everything anyone else says is

> > questionable by and to you?! And Who's Monitoring his posts?

> Remember this

> > is a group of people volunteering suggestions to each other. . .

> Not

> > drumming up business.

> > Kate

> > You said:

> > ...I would

> > > assume whomever told you to use it doesn't understand skincare

> chemistry

> > > well...it's good for infections but not this...at least not from

> what I've

> > seen...

> > >

> > > Just some thoughts...

> >

> > Re: H202 inhaler/bone cancer

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Would this be helpful to a 10 year old little girl with

> advanced

> > bone

> > > > > > cancer? And would she use the same strength, if it would?

> > > > > > Kate

> >

> >

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies,

> and other alternative self-help subjects.

> >

> > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

> >

> > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find

> here are for information and research purposes only. We are people

> sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here,

> you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common

> sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions.

> By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR

> yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a

> medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care

> provider.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Kate/Saul:

What's up with this...? " Here I go again " ...Doing What Exactly?...Don't get

your panties in a wad!

I said I use these products...find them yourself on other sites--I don't care.

It was just a suggestion. I'm not on this list to sell products people are

offended by. Gads...try to post something helpful in response do a valid

question and get blasted...chill out... I Assume? ... assume what?...all I can

go from is what is typed...there are no facial or verbal expressions to go with

it...so am I supposed to be a mind reader?

Who says everything I say is supposed to be gospel? I never did...you've read

that into it. What is your problem...do you hate all Naturopaths or is it just

me?...

Whose monitoring the posts? Try FBI and FTC...any discussion group with the

prefix " oxy " is monitored...it has been for almost 2 years. So are hundreds of

other words that reflect fields of interest that the Feds expect " quacks " to be

involved in...like " rife " , " frequency generators " etc. That's based on what the

FDA & FTC did when they went through manufacturers

like Saul and others and asked them to cease and desist making medical claims

for their products... If you don't think these lists are monitored, you've got

your head in the sand...

Hey...I couldn't care less if anyone buys any of our products from this

list...(although since it's Saul's list, he can sell any of his products and

doesn't get blasted...maybe that's part of the problem)...that's not why I

post...you can find any of these products from many suppliers, not just me.

Just because I may challenge Saul's statements doesn't mean I don't have great

respect for what he does and provides... this was a discussion group I thought,

not a fan club...

I just think that one has to watch the wording of posts, especially when one is

already been warned by the powers that be like Saul has... his words can be used

by a patient who has a bad experience and can come back and use it in a court

case against him...it's already happened in several cases I'm aware of including

Dr.Sinako in San Francisco and 2 doctors in New York...

Saul, please remove me from the list.

Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P.

**********

mk wrote:

> Dr. Bormann

> Here you go again! You just put suggestions on the list about the products

> you sell to use on rosocea. And you assumed. . .we all know better than to

> assume, especially healthwise and reputation wise! Everything you say is

> supposed to be taken as gospel and everything anyone else says is

> questionable by and to you?! And Who's Monitoring his posts? Remember this

> is a group of people volunteering suggestions to each other. . . Not

> drumming up business.

> Kate

> You said:

> ...I would

> > assume whomever told you to use it doesn't understand skincare chemistry

> > well...it's good for infections but not this...at least not from what I've

> seen...

> >

> > Just some thoughts...

>

> Re: H202 inhaler/bone cancer

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Would this be helpful to a 10 year old little girl with advanced

> bone

> > > > > cancer? And would she use the same strength, if it would?

> > > > > Kate

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information

we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold

yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here

without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health

care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the

message! :

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> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Carolyn Bormann wrote:

> Saul, please remove me from the list.

Dr. Bormann:

Please reconsider and stay on this list. Saul would be the first to agree

that this list is neither a fan club nor a blinkered belief-system forum

that can't bear dissent or honest questioning. We need informed voices like

yours. I cannot apologize for the knee jerk negative responses of others to

your vigorous questioning of Saul's assertions, but I can implore you to

stick around and continue to lock horns with one and all in the interests of

truth and genuine advancement of the healing arts.

Sincerely,

Colin Yardley

[Guest guest]

I echo Colin's sentiments.

I see evidence of genius in several of the list contributors. Occasional

clashes of viewpoints (and personalities) come with the territory.

Sam Girouard

Re: Bone cancer/Dr. Bormann

>

>

> Dr. Carolyn Bormann wrote:

> > Saul, please remove me from the list.

>

> Dr. Bormann:

> Please reconsider and stay on this list. Saul would be the first to agree

> that this list is neither a fan club nor a blinkered belief-system forum

> that can't bear dissent or honest questioning. We need informed voices

like

> yours. I cannot apologize for the knee jerk negative responses of others

to

> your vigorous questioning of Saul's assertions, but I can implore you to

> stick around and continue to lock horns with one and all in the interests

of

> truth and genuine advancement of the healing arts.

> Sincerely,

> Colin Yardley

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amen, to Colin and S.

Donna

Re: Bone cancer/Dr. Bormann

Dr. Carolyn Bormann wrote:

> Saul, please remove me from the list.

Dr. Bormann:

Please reconsider and stay on this list. Saul would be the first to agree

that this list is neither a fan club nor a blinkered belief-system forum

that can't bear dissent or honest questioning. We need informed voices like

yours. I cannot apologize for the knee jerk negative responses of others to

your vigorous questioning of Saul's assertions, but I can implore you to

stick around and continue to lock horns with one and all in the interests of

truth and genuine advancement of the healing arts.

Sincerely,

Colin Yardley

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information

we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold

yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here

without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health

care provider.

You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the

message! :

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oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.