Re: you can not BE a victim - unless you CHOOSE to be victimi...

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I hope that Stacey will join this group to express her feelings directly and

not on another board. My feeling is let the buyer beware who is aware.

Public education, medical care and human compassion and understanding seems

like

the way to go for me. Everyone learns and shares on this board, we are like

a family, sometimes not agreeing but our voices are heard. And when it gets

a bit out of hand KC steps in and restores order. Comments of a " pity party "

is insulting and counter productive it does nothing to help (if that is the

intention).

I consider myself a very PRO-ACTIVE person and would love to attend

conferences and training seminars, but at the moment putting food on my table

and

having enough left over to buy a few stamps for those letters I write to my

legislators is all I can do at the moment.

We all have our problems and concerns and each is different from the next,

but lets get the info out there without judging each other or naming calling.

But I must say, no one I know " chooses " to be victimized. And believe me when

I say, this would not be a " choice " I would have ever made.

No pity needed here, but a party sounds great. Thank you KC and Sharon for

all you do.

In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:20:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

tigerpaw2c@... writes:

Sorry about the crossposting folks, but I have not responded to

Ms.Champion on the IEQuality board. I am not real pleased with her

actions and who she claims to be. Stacey happened to be one of the

lucky ones that happened to recover to a point to almost live a

normal life, from what I gather. Apparently she forgets that these

toxins tend to affect many of us, some more severely than others.

She is saying about all we do is " bitch " about our situation and

dwell on it, and we join in on our own " pity party " . Obviously she

feels we are not active in addressing this issue. Since she is NOT a

member of any longer (if she ever was) I don't know

how she is able to critize what we are doing here.

I find this ironic or actually an oxymoron to supposedly be a mold

victim, an enviromental consultant and have a business dealing

strickly with IAQ issues, and then have such a low opinion of the

people she is dealing with. But at the same time paying her bills by

directly benefiting from us.

As we have warned each other many times on this board you have to be

very cautious of who you let in your front door. It has been

mentioned many times over there are charlatins and industry whores

that are more than willing to drain your finances and you should

proceed with caution.

KC

From: " Stacey Champion " <schampion@...>

Date: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:27 pm

Subject: RE: [iequality] No Comment about the CDC acknowledging

death from Inhaled Myco... ivanafrump2003

iequality/message/5348

Sharon -

I think that I am probably the best person to maybe respond to some

of your arguments, given that I came into this industry

as an " affected consumer. " I know we've hashed this out in the

past - both on and off-list, and I know that you think

I can be " condescending " at times because I have in your

words, " gone to some conferences and taken some classes, " but

this is what I think:

I think that you are missing the point. Do you not understand and

realize that those of us out there " in the field " are helping

(or at least trying to help) many people every day??? While I can

certainly sympathize with the folks on " " (which

was where I first met Larkin in my quest,) you can not BE a

victim - unless you CHOOSE to be victimized. I quickly tired

of those groups, because quite frankly, I felt that all most of the

people did was `bitch " and dwell in their situation. Certainly not

all - but plenty. We were out of our home for 8 months. Three of

those months were spent in a motel room, three months

were spent in a rental house, and two were spent in our garage and

an RV. I'm simply pointing this out to say " yep - I've been

there, and it sucks really bad. " I was still somehow able though,

to do research and learn " with an open mind. " Having people

call you and tell their stories, is much much different from being

out there on a daily basis seeing " the good, the bad, and the ugly! "

I've been on both sides of that coin, so I can say it with

conviction!

I know I keep reiterating it OVER and OVER - but MOLD is not the

only thing which causes, or leads to crappy indoor air/env. quality -

which yes - can make people very sick. I am much more concerned

about pesticide poisoning than mycotoxin poisoning, to be

perfectly honest... If you could just open your mind a little bit,

stop fighting so hard, and use that amazing energy of yours to help

educate people on the IMPORTANCE of healthy living and working

spaces, maybe we could get there a little bit faster...

We've hashed out the " yellow rain " thing in past posts. I brought

up ricin, if you recall. Yes - there is a HUGE difference. Nobody

on this list is saying that the homes in the Gulf aren't going to

have mold problems, but as stated in the past, MANY other things

(bacteria, chemicals, etc.) play into the equation.

I see " sick " houses on a very regular basis, and having lived

through it, I would never discredit someone's health complaints. I

do however

get my clients to be pro-active and won't play a part in

anyone's " pity party. " I work at helping to find solutions. If a

builder has screwed up -

I teach him (or her) how to fix it, then hope that they won't repeat

the same mistake again. I educate realtors on the importance of

disclosure and " putting themselves in other people's shoes. " I

educate my clients and other consumers on the importance of

preventative

measures, etc. I call out remediators on bad remediation jobs and

stand over their shoulders if I have to, to assist them on doing the

job correctly. I talk to doctors, naturopaths, etc. on asking good

questions about their patient's environments when they have

reoccurring

visits dealing with the same symptoms, etc. This is called being

PRO-ACTIVE. One small baby step at a time... I always tell my six

year

old son that if a " situation " can not be dealt with in a calm and

logical manner, that it's best to save your energy and walk away.

That's what I'm going to do now - after not listening to my own

advice! Until you reach a point where YOU are the one who is willing

to open your mind, attend some conferences or training seminars,

spend some time " out in the field " with a competent professional,

and stop twisting and blaming, I am done reiterating. I wish for

you only the best, and hope that your tireless pursuit has a big

pot of gold (but no mold!) at the end of your rainbow.

Very Sincerely,

Stacey Champion

[Guest guest]

I SECOND THAT MOTION, NANCY--SO WHERE'S THE PARTY, LOL?

VICTORIA

RE: [iequality] No Comment about the CDC acknowledging

> death from Inhaled Myco... ivanafrump2003

> iequality/message/5348

>

> Sharon -

>

>

>

> I think that I am probably the best person to maybe respond to some

> of your arguments, given that I came into this industry

>

> as an " affected consumer. " I know we've hashed this out in the

> past - both on and off-list, and I know that you think

>

> I can be " condescending " at times because I have in your

> words, " gone to some conferences and taken some classes, " but

>

> this is what I think:

>

>

>

> I think that you are missing the point. Do you not understand and

> realize that those of us out there " in the field " are helping

>

> (or at least trying to help) many people every day??? While I can

> certainly sympathize with the folks on " " (which

>

> was where I first met Larkin in my quest,) you can not BE a

> victim - unless you CHOOSE to be victimized. I quickly tired

>

> of those groups, because quite frankly, I felt that all most of the

> people did was `bitch " and dwell in their situation. Certainly not

>

> all - but plenty. We were out of our home for 8 months. Three of

> those months were spent in a motel room, three months

>

> were spent in a rental house, and two were spent in our garage and

> an RV. I'm simply pointing this out to say " yep - I've been

>

> there, and it sucks really bad. " I was still somehow able though,

> to do research and learn " with an open mind. " Having people

>

> call you and tell their stories, is much much different from being

> out there on a daily basis seeing " the good, the bad, and the ugly! "

>

> I've been on both sides of that coin, so I can say it with

> conviction!

>

>

>

> I know I keep reiterating it OVER and OVER - but MOLD is not the

> only thing which causes, or leads to crappy indoor air/env. quality -

>

> which yes - can make people very sick. I am much more concerned

> about pesticide poisoning than mycotoxin poisoning, to be

>

> perfectly honest... If you could just open your mind a little bit,

> stop fighting so hard, and use that amazing energy of yours to help

>

> educate people on the IMPORTANCE of healthy living and working

> spaces, maybe we could get there a little bit faster...

>

>

>

> We've hashed out the " yellow rain " thing in past posts. I brought

> up ricin, if you recall. Yes - there is a HUGE difference. Nobody

>

> on this list is saying that the homes in the Gulf aren't going to

> have mold problems, but as stated in the past, MANY other things

>

> (bacteria, chemicals, etc.) play into the equation.

>

>

>

> I see " sick " houses on a very regular basis, and having lived

> through it, I would never discredit someone's health complaints. I

> do however

>

> get my clients to be pro-active and won't play a part in

> anyone's " pity party. " I work at helping to find solutions. If a

> builder has screwed up -

>

> I teach him (or her) how to fix it, then hope that they won't repeat

> the same mistake again. I educate realtors on the importance of

>

> disclosure and " putting themselves in other people's shoes. " I

> educate my clients and other consumers on the importance of

> preventative

>

> measures, etc. I call out remediators on bad remediation jobs and

> stand over their shoulders if I have to, to assist them on doing the

>

> job correctly. I talk to doctors, naturopaths, etc. on asking good

> questions about their patient's environments when they have

> reoccurring

>

> visits dealing with the same symptoms, etc. This is called being

> PRO-ACTIVE. One small baby step at a time... I always tell my six

> year

>

> old son that if a " situation " can not be dealt with in a calm and

> logical manner, that it's best to save your energy and walk away.

>

>

>

> That's what I'm going to do now - after not listening to my own

> advice! Until you reach a point where YOU are the one who is willing

>

> to open your mind, attend some conferences or training seminars,

> spend some time " out in the field " with a competent professional,

>

> and stop twisting and blaming, I am done reiterating. I wish for

> you only the best, and hope that your tireless pursuit has a big

>

> pot of gold (but no mold!) at the end of your rainbow.

>

>

>

> Very Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Stacey Champion

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can throw in some sporanox

[Guest guest]

Why do I suspect this will be a cyber-party? First round's on me, ladies.

Anybody up for a little CSM Wallbanger?

<toria@...> wrote: I SECOND THAT MOTION, NANCY--SO WHERE'S THE

PARTY, LOL?

VICTORIA

Serena

There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

---------------------------------

What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

[Guest guest]

You know what is worse than being a victim--someone that causes

undue harm, someone who attacks the sick that are fighting for thier

rights. Shame on you whoever you are .

I SECOND THAT MOTION, NANCY--SO

WHERE'S THE PARTY, LOL?

> VICTORIA

>

>

>

>

> Serena

>

> There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original

premise.

> ...A

yn Rand, paraphrased

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

M-m-m-m, yummay. Snackage!

Gingersnap1964@... wrote:

I can throw in some sporanox

Serena

There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

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I'LL HAVE A FUZZY NAVEL MYSELF, LOL, SERENA, THANKS.......

victoria :>)

Re: [] you can not BE a victim - unless you CHOOSE to

be victimi...

> Why do I suspect this will be a cyber-party? First round's on me, ladies.

> Anybody up for a little CSM Wallbanger?

>

> <toria@...> wrote: I SECOND THAT MOTION, NANCY--SO

> WHERE'S THE PARTY, LOL?

> VICTORIA

>

>

>

>

> Serena

>

> There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

> ...Ayn

> Rand, paraphrased

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mmmmmm! Yum-may.

Got a real hankerin' for a Dirty i just now. Only worried about

what will happen to the csm when it hits the olive oil. And the olives.

Never had a chunky orange olive before.

>

> I'LL HAVE A FUZZY NAVEL MYSELF, LOL, SERENA, THANKS.......

>

> victoria :>)

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for saying quite eloquently what I and I am sure many others

are thinking. It seems that there is a conspiracy of sorts to blame

all sorts of evils on bad choices' made by people.

For example, right now I am getting a lot of flack on here because

(since my wife and I can't afford to move right now, as we would end

up having to leave the area, and our health insurance or live in a

single room) because I have up till now 'chosen' to stay in a moldy

apartment and fight my utterly evil landlord who is now trying to

evict me.

Some choice....

I think a lot of people are in serious denial about how evil our

society has become to the poor and connectionless of all kinds.. and

they choose to deny it by pretending these things.. rather than face

the reality that it could happen to them as well..

None of us is safe in a society that does these things to people and

then 'chooses' to ignore it.

Its only a matter of time..