Does EDTA chelation address mold/mycotoxin illness by any chance ?

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I was wondering since EDTA is used as a mold inhibitor in canned food,

could EDTA chelation (besides removing lead, arsenic and other heavy

metals) also help in mold illness ?

I am asking this because, I have heard of some people feeling better

on it even though they are not really high in heavy metals. I know

that EDTA is also a good antioxidant like other chelators like DMSA

and DMPS.

Does anyone have any info on this please ?

Thanks

Jay

[Guest guest]

I am looking into this also & would like to know if anyone has had good success.

My environ doc said that the chemicals (mycotoxins) are hard on the kidneys so

doesn't use it. I am wondering, however, if one treatment or treatments really

spread out would be ok. I do think they can chelate out this way per my doc. The

other avenue is oral EDTA chelation. I have ordered a product called NDF from

Bio Ray. It is also a natural chelator with cilantro in it. I have heard good

things about this. Check it out on the web. Loni

jkrishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

I was wondering since EDTA is used as a mold inhibitor in canned food,

could EDTA chelation (besides removing lead, arsenic and other heavy

metals) also help in mold illness ?

I am asking this because, I have heard of some people feeling better

on it even though they are not really high in heavy metals. I know

that EDTA is also a good antioxidant like other chelators like DMSA

and DMPS.

Does anyone have any info on this please ?

Thanks

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Some VOCs emitted by mold action on, say, old paint/wallpaper might

contain heavy metals as a product of the decomposition process?

Carl would probably know more about this. (I do know that old

wallpaper attacked by mold can emit arsine, which contains arsenic,

which is a powerful toxin..not a heavy metal, though)

Hope that helps..

On 1/13/06, Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

> I am looking into this also & would like to know if anyone has had good

success. My environ doc said that the chemicals (mycotoxins) are hard on the

kidneys so doesn't use it. I am wondering, however, if one treatment or

treatments really spread out would be ok. I do think they can chelate out this

way per my doc. The other avenue is oral EDTA chelation. I have ordered a

product called NDF from Bio Ray. It is also a natural chelator with cilantro in

it. I have heard good things about this. Check it out on the web. Loni

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> jkrishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

> I was wondering since EDTA is used as a mold inhibitor in canned food,

> could EDTA chelation (besides removing lead, arsenic and other heavy

> metals) also help in mold illness ?

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> I am asking this because, I have heard of some people feeling better

> on it even though they are not really high in heavy metals. I know

> that EDTA is also a good antioxidant like other chelators like DMSA

> and DMPS.

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> Does anyone have any info on this please ?

>

> Thanks

> Jay

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[Guest guest]

Another thought.. Old homes that (sometimes) have mold also

(sometimes) have lots of disintegrating lead-based paint.. so lead in

ones environment and mold in one's environment are probably often

found together..especially if you live in a home that has suffered

from 'deferred maintenance' as its (too) kindly often described..

[Guest guest]

......On Behalf Of Loni Rosser

I am looking into this also & would like to know if anyone has had good

success. My environ doc said that the chemicals (mycotoxins) are hard on the

kidneys so doesn't use it. I am wondering, however, if one treatment or

treatments really spread out would be ok. I do think they can chelate out

this way per my doc. The other avenue is oral EDTA chelation. I have ordered

a product called NDF from Bio Ray. It is also a natural chelator with

cilantro in it. I have heard good things about this. Check it out on the

web. Loni.>>>

Hi Loni: Thanks for sharing this. Never heard of the product and did some

googling. Am wondering the testimonials you've received about this product;

did the people have urine tests to prove the product works? The reason I'm

asking I only saw one lab test certified by Doctors Data. Another site cited

3 urine tests from the same woman. Not doubting you; just curious.

I also noticed their statement which I've copied and pasted below:

" Based on the results of comparative 24 hour urine samples analyzed by an

independent clinic and lab, a person can safely excrete up to 920% (9.2

times) more heavy metals per month taking NDF daily as compared to doing one

DMPS intravenous injection per month. This greatly shortens the time

required to achieve detoxification, an average toxic adult person requiring

a maximum dose of 2 mls. twice a day for a period of about two months. NDF

has also been observed to remove mycotoxins, endotoxins, chemicals

(including prescription drugs), arterial plaque, scavenge free radicals, and

protect against radiation damage. "

These are some impressive claims and I wonder if they have actual proof that

the NDF actually " removed " mycotoxins, arterial plaque, etc. Since you have

ordered the product, did you ask about these claims and if so what was the

response?

I also noticed that they recommend taking several of their other products

for " safety " . Another issue are their instructions for those taking NDF who

still have " mercury " fillings. I've also copied and pasted it below.

Instructions are detailed; what I do not comprehend is the reason to take

activated charcoal caps after taking the NDF which I would think would bind

up the NDF? Any thoughts on this?

Just curious Rosie

Patients with Amalgams and Other Metals in the Teeth

The following are the patient instructions I have used for the last year and

a half with patients who still had metals in the teeth, or who could not

come in to see me, with no side effects reported..

1. Take whatever is required to produce 2 bowel movements that day. Usually

Epsom salts or OxyOxc. Wait 30 minutes.

2. Take one ounce of SunRise (contributes an electro negative charge from

fulvic acid, bioavailable nutrition and immune support). Wait 20 minutes.

3. Brush your teeth with 10 drops of NDF and spit it out. Rinse with water

and spit that out.

4. Put 3 drops of NDF down the back of your throat (with an eyedropper or

syringe), followed by rinsing and spitting with water.

5. Put one-three droppers full (26 drops) of LiverLife into a 10 ounce glass

of reverse osmosis or distilled water and drink. Wait 30 minutes.

6. Take 4-6 caps of activated charcoal.

7. Drink 8-10 oz reverse osmosis water every hour until the next urination.

8. After that urination, switch to Vitae or Trinity water (pH 9) and drink 3

oz at a time whenever thirsty.

9. Prepare your meal, raw, alkaline forming and according to your blood

type, in a high powered blender. Chew where you don't have amalgams or drink

slowly. (No chewing gum.)

10. Take 1 tablespoon of Pines low temperature barley grass powder twice a

day after meals in Trinity water (alkalizer). Wait 30 minutes.

11. Take another 4-6 caps of activated charcoal on an empty stomach.

Gradually raise the dose of NDF to 3 drops twice a day, repeating steps 2-7

for the second dose. After that, the goal is to gradually get to 1-2

droppersful twice a day without provoking a nervous system or healing

crisis. If you reach a point where you feel anything other than better,

revert to the previous dose.

You may not feel much improvement at first because the dose is rather small

at the beginning. The important thing is that it doesn't make you worse.

If NDF only makes you feel worse, switch to NDF-Plus and start with 1 drop,

following the same instructions above. If none of this works, come see me.

NDF gets to the brain in 20 minutes, NDF-Plus in 5 minutes, so you can find

out by trial and error very quickly.

[Guest guest]

I don't have any scientific proof. I am trying it because it was recommended to

me from a friend that used it successfully. It looked as though the ingredients

were natural. I am not suggesting anyone try it. Just look into it if you are so

inclined. I've been looking for alternatives to CSM due to my low low

cholesterol. Loni

healthier4all <Healthier4All@...> wrote: .....On Behalf Of Loni

Rosser

I am looking into this also & would like to know if anyone has had good

success. My environ doc said that the chemicals (mycotoxins) are hard on the

kidneys so doesn't use it. I am wondering, however, if one treatment or

treatments really spread out would be ok. I do think they can chelate out

this way per my doc. The other avenue is oral EDTA chelation. I have ordered

a product called NDF from Bio Ray. It is also a natural chelator with

cilantro in it. I have heard good things about this. Check it out on the

web. Loni.>>>

Hi Loni: Thanks for sharing this. Never heard of the product and did some

googling. Am wondering the testimonials you've received about this product;

did the people have urine tests to prove the product works? The reason I'm

asking I only saw one lab test certified by Doctors Data. Another site cited

3 urine tests from the same woman. Not doubting you; just curious.

I also noticed their statement which I've copied and pasted below:

" Based on the results of comparative 24 hour urine samples analyzed by an

independent clinic and lab, a person can safely excrete up to 920% (9.2

times) more heavy metals per month taking NDF daily as compared to doing one

DMPS intravenous injection per month. This greatly shortens the time

required to achieve detoxification, an average toxic adult person requiring

a maximum dose of 2 mls. twice a day for a period of about two months. NDF

has also been observed to remove mycotoxins, endotoxins, chemicals

(including prescription drugs), arterial plaque, scavenge free radicals, and

protect against radiation damage. "

These are some impressive claims and I wonder if they have actual proof that

the NDF actually " removed " mycotoxins, arterial plaque, etc. Since you have

ordered the product, did you ask about these claims and if so what was the

response?

I also noticed that they recommend taking several of their other products

for " safety " . Another issue are their instructions for those taking NDF who

still have " mercury " fillings. I've also copied and pasted it below.

Instructions are detailed; what I do not comprehend is the reason to take

activated charcoal caps after taking the NDF which I would think would bind

up the NDF? Any thoughts on this?

Just curious Rosie

Patients with Amalgams and Other Metals in the Teeth

The following are the patient instructions I have used for the last year and

a half with patients who still had metals in the teeth, or who could not

come in to see me, with no side effects reported..

1. Take whatever is required to produce 2 bowel movements that day. Usually

Epsom salts or OxyOxc. Wait 30 minutes.

2. Take one ounce of SunRise (contributes an electro negative charge from

fulvic acid, bioavailable nutrition and immune support). Wait 20 minutes.

3. Brush your teeth with 10 drops of NDF and spit it out. Rinse with water

and spit that out.

4. Put 3 drops of NDF down the back of your throat (with an eyedropper or

syringe), followed by rinsing and spitting with water.

5. Put one-three droppers full (26 drops) of LiverLife into a 10 ounce glass

of reverse osmosis or distilled water and drink. Wait 30 minutes.

6. Take 4-6 caps of activated charcoal.

7. Drink 8-10 oz reverse osmosis water every hour until the next urination.

8. After that urination, switch to Vitae or Trinity water (pH 9) and drink 3

oz at a time whenever thirsty.

9. Prepare your meal, raw, alkaline forming and according to your blood

type, in a high powered blender. Chew where you don't have amalgams or drink

slowly. (No chewing gum.)

10. Take 1 tablespoon of Pines low temperature barley grass powder twice a

day after meals in Trinity water (alkalizer). Wait 30 minutes.

11. Take another 4-6 caps of activated charcoal on an empty stomach.

Gradually raise the dose of NDF to 3 drops twice a day, repeating steps 2-7

for the second dose. After that, the goal is to gradually get to 1-2

droppersful twice a day without provoking a nervous system or healing

crisis. If you reach a point where you feel anything other than better,

revert to the previous dose.

You may not feel much improvement at first because the dose is rather small

at the beginning. The important thing is that it doesn't make you worse.

If NDF only makes you feel worse, switch to NDF-Plus and start with 1 drop,

following the same instructions above. If none of this works, come see me.

NDF gets to the brain in 20 minutes, NDF-Plus in 5 minutes, so you can find

out by trial and error very quickly.

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[Guest guest]

Loni, have you tried activated charcoal?

That (activated charcoal) is available without a prescription and,

I've heard, does similar things as, although its not as effective, as

cholestyramine (CSM) for mycotoxins..

BTW, EDTA is available as a nutritional supplement, (for people

wanting to try oral chelation of mercury, etc.) and its not very

expensive at all. (But again, as far as I know, they don't effect

mold/mycotoxins in your system at all.. they are sometimes used to

help reduce heavy metal and perhaps some other toxic chemicals in your

body, and this is a controversial, somewhat contentious subject..)

That said, beyond-a-century.com has these combination garlic-EDTA

pills that I tried around a year ago when I was still trying to figure

out what was ailing me.. They were very inexpensive. They also have

EDTA in bulk, so you can cap it yourself..

People should take supplemental vitamins and minerals if they take

these chelating agents, I've heard, because the literally suck

nutrients out of your body.. perhaps leaving you depleted for all

sorts of things.

Ask your doctor..

[Guest guest]

I'll look for it, Thanks, My environ doc said that chelation take take the

mycotoxins out but I don't know. Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Loni, have you tried activated charcoal?

That (activated charcoal) is available without a prescription and,

I've heard, does similar things as, although its not as effective, as

cholestyramine (CSM) for mycotoxins..

BTW, EDTA is available as a nutritional supplement, (for people

wanting to try oral chelation of mercury, etc.) and its not very

expensive at all. (But again, as far as I know, they don't effect

mold/mycotoxins in your system at all.. they are sometimes used to

help reduce heavy metal and perhaps some other toxic chemicals in your

body, and this is a controversial, somewhat contentious subject..)

That said, beyond-a-century.com has these combination garlic-EDTA

pills that I tried around a year ago when I was still trying to figure

out what was ailing me.. They were very inexpensive. They also have

EDTA in bulk, so you can cap it yourself..

People should take supplemental vitamins and minerals if they take

these chelating agents, I've heard, because the literally suck

nutrients out of your body.. perhaps leaving you depleted for all

sorts of things.

Ask your doctor..

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[Guest guest]

>>>I'll look for it, Thanks, My environ doc said that chelation take take

the mycotoxins out but I don't know. Loni>>>

Loni Hi, did your Environmental doctor specific oral or IV chelation? Just

wondering.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

Hi Loni,

My original question was whether EDTA removes mycotoxin as well as heavy

metals. So, which chelators is your environmental doc thinks that chelate

mycotoxins ?

Thanks

Jay

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

I'll look for it, Thanks, My environ doc said that chelation take take the

mycotoxins out but I don't know. Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Loni, have you tried activated charcoal?

That (activated charcoal) is available without a prescription and,

I've heard, does similar things as, although its not as effective, as

cholestyramine (CSM) for mycotoxins..

BTW, EDTA is available as a nutritional supplement, (for people

wanting to try oral chelation of mercury, etc.) and its not very

expensive at all. (But again, as far as I know, they don't effect

mold/mycotoxins in your system at all.. they are sometimes used to

help reduce heavy metal and perhaps some other toxic chemicals in your

body, and this is a controversial, somewhat contentious subject..)

That said, beyond-a-century.com has these combination garlic-EDTA

pills that I tried around a year ago when I was still trying to figure

out what was ailing me.. They were very inexpensive. They also have

EDTA in bulk, so you can cap it yourself..

People should take supplemental vitamins and minerals if they take

these chelating agents, I've heard, because the literally suck

nutrients out of your body.. perhaps leaving you depleted for all

sorts of things.

Ask your doctor..

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[Guest guest]

I think he was talking about EDTA but he did not say which one. He thinks that

IV would hurt the kidneys so I was debating oral but Jeff does not think that is

will work. So I will do more investigating. Check out NDF chelation on the web.

I am going to try that. A few people recommend activated charcoal. Also PC3x is

a cellular detox I got from my NMD. Loni

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote: Hi Loni,

My original question was whether EDTA removes mycotoxin as well as heavy

metals. So, which chelators is your environmental doc thinks that chelate

mycotoxins ?

Thanks

Jay

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

I'll look for it, Thanks, My environ doc said that chelation take take the

mycotoxins out but I don't know. Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Loni, have you tried activated charcoal?

That (activated charcoal) is available without a prescription and,

I've heard, does similar things as, although its not as effective, as

cholestyramine (CSM) for mycotoxins..

BTW, EDTA is available as a nutritional supplement, (for people

wanting to try oral chelation of mercury, etc.) and its not very

expensive at all. (But again, as far as I know, they don't effect

mold/mycotoxins in your system at all.. they are sometimes used to

help reduce heavy metal and perhaps some other toxic chemicals in your

body, and this is a controversial, somewhat contentious subject..)

That said, beyond-a-century.com has these combination garlic-EDTA

pills that I tried around a year ago when I was still trying to figure

out what was ailing me.. They were very inexpensive. They also have

EDTA in bulk, so you can cap it yourself..

People should take supplemental vitamins and minerals if they take

these chelating agents, I've heard, because the literally suck

nutrients out of your body.. perhaps leaving you depleted for all

sorts of things.

Ask your doctor..

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Loni. Jeff told me the same thing. I wasn't going to rely on chelators

to remove mycotoxins. I was just curious why chelators such as EDTA, DMPS, DMSA

work in some people with not much heavy metal problem.

Thanks

Jay

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

I think he was talking about EDTA but he did not say which one. He thinks that

IV would hurt the kidneys so I was debating oral but Jeff does not think that is

will work. So I will do more investigating. Check out NDF chelation on the web.

I am going to try that. A few people recommend activated charcoal. Also PC3x is

a cellular detox I got from my NMD. Loni

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote: Hi Loni,

My original question was whether EDTA removes mycotoxin as well as heavy

metals. So, which chelators is your environmental doc thinks that chelate

mycotoxins ?

Thanks

Jay

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

I'll look for it, Thanks, My environ doc said that chelation take take the

mycotoxins out but I don't know. Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Loni, have you tried activated charcoal?

That (activated charcoal) is available without a prescription and,

I've heard, does similar things as, although its not as effective, as

cholestyramine (CSM) for mycotoxins..

BTW, EDTA is available as a nutritional supplement, (for people

wanting to try oral chelation of mercury, etc.) and its not very

expensive at all. (But again, as far as I know, they don't effect

mold/mycotoxins in your system at all.. they are sometimes used to

help reduce heavy metal and perhaps some other toxic chemicals in your

body, and this is a controversial, somewhat contentious subject..)

That said, beyond-a-century.com has these combination garlic-EDTA

pills that I tried around a year ago when I was still trying to figure

out what was ailing me.. They were very inexpensive. They also have

EDTA in bulk, so you can cap it yourself..

People should take supplemental vitamins and minerals if they take

these chelating agents, I've heard, because the literally suck

nutrients out of your body.. perhaps leaving you depleted for all

sorts of things.

Ask your doctor..

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[Guest guest]

Jay, What else are you doing. Was it CSM?

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote: Thanks, Loni. Jeff told me the same

thing. I wasn't going to rely on chelators to remove mycotoxins. I was just

curious why chelators such as EDTA, DMPS, DMSA work in some people with not

much heavy metal problem.

Thanks

Jay

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

I think he was talking about EDTA but he did not say which one. He thinks that

IV would hurt the kidneys so I was debating oral but Jeff does not think that is

will work. So I will do more investigating. Check out NDF chelation on the web.

I am going to try that. A few people recommend activated charcoal. Also PC3x is

a cellular detox I got from my NMD. Loni

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote: Hi Loni,

My original question was whether EDTA removes mycotoxin as well as heavy

metals. So, which chelators is your environmental doc thinks that chelate

mycotoxins ?

Thanks

Jay

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

I'll look for it, Thanks, My environ doc said that chelation take take the

mycotoxins out but I don't know. Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Loni, have you tried activated charcoal?

That (activated charcoal) is available without a prescription and,

I've heard, does similar things as, although its not as effective, as

cholestyramine (CSM) for mycotoxins..

BTW, EDTA is available as a nutritional supplement, (for people

wanting to try oral chelation of mercury, etc.) and its not very

expensive at all. (But again, as far as I know, they don't effect

mold/mycotoxins in your system at all.. they are sometimes used to

help reduce heavy metal and perhaps some other toxic chemicals in your

body, and this is a controversial, somewhat contentious subject..)

That said, beyond-a-century.com has these combination garlic-EDTA

pills that I tried around a year ago when I was still trying to figure

out what was ailing me.. They were very inexpensive. They also have

EDTA in bulk, so you can cap it yourself..

People should take supplemental vitamins and minerals if they take

these chelating agents, I've heard, because the literally suck

nutrients out of your body.. perhaps leaving you depleted for all

sorts of things.

Ask your doctor..

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[Guest guest]

Check out Natural Cellular Defense. www.newstarget.com/015232.html

Sounds promising for mycotoxin removal. Fairly long but interesting. Loni

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Thanks, Loni. Jeff told me the same thing. I wasn't going to rely on chelators

to remove mycotoxins. I was just curious why chelators such as EDTA, DMPS, DMSA

work in some people with not much heavy metal problem.

Thanks

Jay

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

I think he was talking about EDTA but he did not say which one. He thinks that

IV would hurt the kidneys so I was debating oral but Jeff does not think that is

will work. So I will do more investigating. Check out NDF chelation on the web.

I am going to try that. A few people recommend activated charcoal. Also PC3x is

a cellular detox I got from my NMD. Loni

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote: Hi Loni,

My original question was whether EDTA removes mycotoxin as well as heavy

metals. So, which chelators is your environmental doc thinks that chelate

mycotoxins ?

Thanks

Jay

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

I'll look for it, Thanks, My environ doc said that chelation take take the

mycotoxins out but I don't know. Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Loni, have you tried activated charcoal?

That (activated charcoal) is available without a prescription and,

I've heard, does similar things as, although its not as effective, as

cholestyramine (CSM) for mycotoxins..

BTW, EDTA is available as a nutritional supplement, (for people

wanting to try oral chelation of mercury, etc.) and its not very

expensive at all. (But again, as far as I know, they don't effect

mold/mycotoxins in your system at all.. they are sometimes used to

help reduce heavy metal and perhaps some other toxic chemicals in your

body, and this is a controversial, somewhat contentious subject..)

That said, beyond-a-century.com has these combination garlic-EDTA

pills that I tried around a year ago when I was still trying to figure

out what was ailing me.. They were very inexpensive. They also have

EDTA in bulk, so you can cap it yourself..

People should take supplemental vitamins and minerals if they take

these chelating agents, I've heard, because the literally suck

nutrients out of your body.. perhaps leaving you depleted for all

sorts of things.

Ask your doctor..

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