Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 As a parent of a child with Down syndrome, I am fuming!!! How dare they or anyone spray a child with a water bottle. As a sped teacher, this teacher needs to look at the environment the child is in and the anticedents(causes) that precede the unwanted behavior. Could her desk or where she sits for circle or reading time be moved away from distracting equipment. Maybe an FBA would be in order. Positive discipline should always be used!! " Boy I like the way Jimmy is sitting with his hands in his lap, not touching anything " and give Jimmy a treat (small goldfish cracker for example if food is a motivator). My first thought when reading your email is the teacher is short on stratagies needed in behavior management. Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 I am ususally a lurker and not so much a poster, but I am in need of the wisdom of this group. My daughter Hannah is 6 and in kindergarten this year. I have had one confrontation after another with her sped teacher. The latest issue has to do with Hannahs behavior. Hannah has always been quiet and gentle...never disruptive or aggressive. Teacher says she is touching the equipment and doesn't stop when told no. She likes to push the wheelchairs and walkers (she likes to push her baby stroller at home). The teacher called to ask me about using a spray bottle to spray her in the face when she did this to get her to stop. She stated it was a common practice and very successful in stopping unwanted behaviors. She said she had already tried it on Hannah and could tell it would work well for her. I was mortified. I did some research and found it was used on animals, then found it was called aversive therapy and was not common. I sent her an email requesting she not do this and also informed the staff. She sent me a flaming email chastising me for not allowing it and for talking to her staff (aides) about it. From there I have complained to the principal who says she spoke to her about it and there would be no more of this type of therapy done...that it was not allowed in public schools here. I was afraid of retaliation to my daughter and still have no reassurances on that. I have repeatedly requested she be in the regular classroom for the bulk of the day and get no where. I am looking for any advice or experience in this. The teacher has called an IEP for dec 7 to address her inability to follow directions and I feel like I need to come up with a way to achieve this...I don't have a clue. Please...if anyone has ideas...let me know. Thanks Tammy, mom to Hannah 6yo ds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Oh my God! Hannah is not a dog! I can't believe she would even consider doing this! If I were you I would also notify the director of pupil services and the school superintendent. When we had issues with Dani when she was younger, she is now 16, the punishments were taking away things that were important to her - she loved computer time, if she did something wrong she lost computer time. It only took a few times of losing something important to her to stop the behavior. Jackie Boyd mom to Dani, 16 ds tjm64 wrote: > > I am ususally a lurker and not so much a poster, but I am in need of > the wisdom of this group. My daughter Hannah is 6 and in > kindergarten this year. I have had one confrontation after another > with her sped teacher. The latest issue has to do with Hannahs > behavior. Hannah has always been quiet and gentle...never > disruptive or aggressive. Teacher says she is touching the > equipment and doesn't stop when told no. She likes to push the > wheelchairs and walkers (she likes to push her baby stroller at > home). The teacher called to ask me about using a spray bottle to > spray her in the face when she did this to get her to stop. She > stated it was a common practice and very successful in stopping > unwanted behaviors. She said she had already tried it on Hannah and > could tell it would work well for her. I was mortified. I did some > research and found it was used on animals, then found it was called > aversive therapy and was not common. I sent her an email requesting > she not do this and also informed the staff. She sent me a flaming > email chastising me for not allowing it and for talking to her staff > (aides) about it. From there I have complained to the principal who > says she spoke to her about it and there would be no more of this > type of therapy done...that it was not allowed in public schools > here. I was afraid of retaliation to my daughter and still have no > reassurances on that. I have repeatedly requested she be in the > regular classroom for the bulk of the day and get no where. I am > looking for any advice or experience in this. The teacher has > called an IEP for dec 7 to address her inability to follow > directions and I feel like I need to come up with a way to achieve > this...I don't have a clue. Please...if anyone has ideas...let me > know. > > Thanks > Tammy, mom to Hannah 6yo ds > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Spraying water in children's faces is an old behavioral technique called aversion therapy. It's more considered near child abuse today and isn't usually appropriate, although it may still be used in closely supervised situations. You were fully within your rights and had a responsibility to call the teacher on this one. Getting Hannah to follow directions involves making sure she understands what is wanted (communication needs, visual/pictorial reminders, social stories, etc.) and giving her a reason to follow the directions (understanding the situation to tangible rewards, depending on child and variables). It would be an appropriate area to address with a goal. Being in a regular ed classroom would certainly provide her with more role models of following directions, btw. ; ) Judi _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of tjm64 Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: major problems with sped teacher (long) I am ususally a lurker and not so much a poster, but I am in need of the wisdom of this group. My daughter Hannah is 6 and in kindergarten this year. I have had one confrontation after another with her sped teacher. The latest issue has to do with Hannahs behavior. Hannah has always been quiet and gentle...never disruptive or aggressive. Teacher says she is touching the equipment and doesn't stop when told no. She likes to push the wheelchairs and walkers (she likes to push her baby stroller at home). The teacher called to ask me about using a spray bottle to spray her in the face when she did this to get her to stop. She stated it was a common practice and very successful in stopping unwanted behaviors. She said she had already tried it on Hannah and could tell it would work well for her. I was mortified. I did some research and found it was used on animals, then found it was called aversive therapy and was not common. I sent her an email requesting she not do this and also informed the staff. She sent me a flaming email chastising me for not allowing it and for talking to her staff (aides) about it. From there I have complained to the principal who says she spoke to her about it and there would be no more of this type of therapy done...that it was not allowed in public schools here. I was afraid of retaliation to my daughter and still have no reassurances on that. I have repeatedly requested she be in the regular classroom for the bulk of the day and get no where. I am looking for any advice or experience in this. The teacher has called an IEP for dec 7 to address her inability to follow directions and I feel like I need to come up with a way to achieve this...I don't have a clue. Please...if anyone has ideas...let me know. Thanks Tammy, mom to Hannah 6yo ds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Tammy, my heart is broken for you and your dd. But more than that, Im just FURIOUS that anyone would still be using these awful, horrid techniques in this day and age. What a sorry excuse for a teacher she is. I am SO sorry this happened. It is not only a bad idea, it is likely to cause the exact opposite behavior. I have no words to convey HOW angry I am for you. Do you have a local DS association or parents group? I would be calling. In fact, if you email me privately, I will look for a resource for you. I am shocked and disturbed that this happened. mome23kjnc@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Hi Tammy, I shared your post with my sister who works in our school district - she is administrative assistant to the director of pupil services. She recommend you file a complaint with the Department of Pubic Instruction in your state. Jackie Boyd mom to Dani, 16 ds Ralph & Judi Lowenthal wrote: > > Spraying water in children's faces is an old behavioral technique called > aversion therapy. It's more considered near child abuse today and isn't > usually appropriate, although it may still be used in closely supervised > situations. You were fully within your rights and had a responsibility to > call the teacher on this one. > > Getting Hannah to follow directions involves making sure she understands > what is wanted (communication needs, visual/pictorial reminders, social > stories, etc.) and giving her a reason to follow the directions > (understanding the situation to tangible rewards, depending on child and > variables). It would be an appropriate area to address with a goal. > > Being in a regular ed classroom would certainly provide her with more role > models of following directions, btw. ; ) > > Judi > > _____ > > From: <mailto:%40> > [mailto: > <mailto:%40>] On Behalf > Of tjm64 > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:42 AM > <mailto:%40> > Subject: major problems with sped teacher (long) > > I am ususally a lurker and not so much a poster, but I am in need of > the wisdom of this group. My daughter Hannah is 6 and in > kindergarten this year. I have had one confrontation after another > with her sped teacher. The latest issue has to do with Hannahs > behavior. Hannah has always been quiet and gentle...never > disruptive or aggressive. Teacher says she is touching the > equipment and doesn't stop when told no. She likes to push the > wheelchairs and walkers (she likes to push her baby stroller at > home). The teacher called to ask me about using a spray bottle to > spray her in the face when she did this to get her to stop. She > stated it was a common practice and very successful in stopping > unwanted behaviors. She said she had already tried it on Hannah and > could tell it would work well for her. I was mortified. I did some > research and found it was used on animals, then found it was called > aversive therapy and was not common. I sent her an email requesting > she not do this and also informed the staff. She sent me a flaming > email chastising me for not allowing it and for talking to her staff > (aides) about it. From there I have complained to the principal who > says she spoke to her about it and there would be no more of this > type of therapy done...that it was not allowed in public schools > here. I was afraid of retaliation to my daughter and still have no > reassurances on that. I have repeatedly requested she be in the > regular classroom for the bulk of the day and get no where. I am > looking for any advice or experience in this. The teacher has > called an IEP for dec 7 to address her inability to follow > directions and I feel like I need to come up with a way to achieve > this...I don't have a clue. Please...if anyone has ideas...let me > know. > > Thanks > Tammy, mom to Hannah 6yo ds > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Sounds to me like child abuse. If a parent got caught doing that DSS would be in real quick to take that kid away. Get a lawyer!!! Do not wait.I am sure you can call the Department of Mental retardation and see what they have to help you. Yeah I had the name but they are there for your kid!! Jeannette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 I would also report it to the local child welfare agency. I would request a different teacher even if that meant changing schools. I also would take it straight to the top - even contacting a local paper if the school doesn't do anything immediately. I would not go into that meeting without an advocate or lawyer. Cancel if you have to and get your ducks in a row. There are good Sped teachers out there. It's a shame you are experiencing this when your child is young. .. major problems with sped teacher (long) >> >> I am ususally a lurker and not so much a poster, but I am in need of >> the wisdom of this group. My daughter Hannah is 6 and in >> kindergarten this year. I have had one confrontation after another >> with her sped teacher. The latest issue has to do with Hannahs >> behavior. Hannah has always been quiet and gentle...never >> disruptive or aggressive. Teacher says she is touching the >> equipment and doesn't stop when told no. She likes to push the >> wheelchairs and walkers (she likes to push her baby stroller at >> home). The teacher called to ask me about using a spray bottle to >> spray her in the face when she did this to get her to stop. She >> stated it was a common practice and very successful in stopping >> unwanted behaviors. She said she had already tried it on Hannah and >> could tell it would work well for her. I was mortified. I did some >> research and found it was used on animals, then found it was called >> aversive therapy and was not common. I sent her an email requesting >> she not do this and also informed the staff. She sent me a flaming >> email chastising me for not allowing it and for talking to her staff >> (aides) about it. From there I have complained to the principal who >> says she spoke to her about it and there would be no more of this >> type of therapy done...that it was not allowed in public schools >> here. I was afraid of retaliation to my daughter and still have no >> reassurances on that. I have repeatedly requested she be in the >> regular classroom for the bulk of the day and get no where. I am >> looking for any advice or experience in this. The teacher has >> called an IEP for dec 7 to address her inability to follow >> directions and I feel like I need to come up with a way to achieve >> this...I don't have a clue. Please...if anyone has ideas...let me >> know. >> >> Thanks >> Tammy, mom to Hannah 6yo ds >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Tammy, I ditto what has advised here. Get Hannah away from this teacher ASAP. December 7th is too long for her to be with this teacher when you are feeling uneasy. She sounds like a whack job to me! Therapy, my A#$! Jackie, Mom to 19ds, 16, and Bradley 12 --------- major problems with sped teacher (long) >> >> I am ususally a lurker and not so much a poster, but I am in need of >> the wisdom of this group. My daughter Hannah is 6 and in >> kindergarten this year. I have had one confrontation after another >> with her sped teacher. The latest issue has to do with Hannahs >> behavior. Hannah has always been quiet and gentle...never >> disruptive or aggressive. Teacher says she is touching the >> equipment and doesn't stop when told no. She likes to push the >> wheelchairs and walkers (she likes to push her baby stroller at >> home). The teacher called to ask me about using a spray bottle to >> spray her in the face when she did this to get her to stop. She >> stated it was a common practice and very successful in stopping >> unwanted behaviors. She said she had already tried it on Hannah and >> could tell it would work well for her. I was mortified. I did some >> research and found it was used on animals, then found it was called >> aversive therapy and was not common. I sent her an email requesting >> she not do this and also informed the staff. She sent me a flaming >> email chastising me for not allowing it and for talking to her staff >> (aides) about it. From there I have complained to the principal who >> says she spoke to her about it and there would be no more of this >> type of therapy done...that it was not allowed in public schools >> here. I was afraid of retaliation to my daughter and still have no >> reassurances on that. I have repeatedly requested she be in the >> regular classroom for the bulk of the day and get no where. I am >> looking for any advice or experience in this. The teacher has >> called an IEP for dec 7 to address her inability to follow >> directions and I feel like I need to come up with a way to achieve >> this...I don't have a clue. Please...if anyone has ideas...let me >> know. >> >> Thanks >> Tammy, mom to Hannah 6yo ds >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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